October 2014.. Thread 7.. Teeth, tantrums & tickles

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Morning, hope everyone had a better night than I did! Last two nights have been awful. She settles off fine at around 7 and we don't hear a peep until...45 mins later. Took about an hour to settle her with dummy. And from then on it's constant waking all night. I think it's partly wind as well as just being 4 months and mad

Congrats to your dd on such a milestone fate, she sounds so brave at 10! I would be in pieces!

rudy my natural instinct is to agree - anything for an easy life #lazymummy. Every so often I get pangs of guilt that I'm not being as "thorough" as I was with pfb, even though I'm enjoying the baby stage much more which must balance out?

Good night sleep wise here 9-6 - wish I'd gone to bed earlier though. Got caught up in the New York made in Chelsea type prog on e4 on +1 and all of a sudden it was midnight.

Lovely & sunny here today. Fingers crossed it stays like this - hope everyone has a good day

Morning all, early up after early to bed, now being a terrible mum having baby TV channel on so I can eat breakfast and MN in peace

The thing is rudy and twisted I dont think it is working. Her idea of a good night is one 4hr block of sleep! If I was getting 9-6 I'd be tap dancing down the street!! Maybe I just need to accept how things are rather than trying to change things and moaning on about it!

Sorry wasn't trying to piss everyone off. Really do appreciate how lucky I am - DD1 only started sleeping through this time last year at nearly , and self settled at same time.
Moan away - but keep the faith they all get there in the end & Caffeine rocks

Don't worry twisted you've not pissed me off! At least it gives me hope that babies are capable of sleeping that much at that age. It took my DS a long time to sleep through too but I'd forgotten how hard it is. Anyway, cup of tea in hand and enjoying a toddler free morning.

Greenstone I feel your pain. N is almost 5 months and still mad. And has been since the beginning. I'd love a 4 hour stretch but I seem to be lucky to get 2... And that's if I let him sleep on me. Really hoping for change soon, it's gone on too long now and I'm exhusted.

Oh no sazzle I feel bad now! 2 hrly waking is a killer. I'm pining my hopes on weaning being the game changer with sleep and then pin hopes on crawling when weaning fails to deliver

Oh it's so tough isn't it sazzle my first was just as mad at this age but she had previously done a few long stretches where as dd2 has done a 5 hour stretch maybe twice max in her life.

Does anyone know if frantic head turning and legs in the air/rolling on side would be wind or is it just her trying to settle to sleep? She goes off fine initially but then that first wake up she's flinging her head from side to side and won't really be soothed. She naps in the pram by day and turns her head from side to side too but only for about 30 seconds and then goes off easily with a few rocks. But the night time version makes her very upset.

igotta it will have to get easier right? This is a hard inbetweeny stage I reckon. It was definitely much easier with dc1 by 7 months. Still woke at night but did proper stretches and then just quick feed and down.

I'd actually like to move dd2 to her own room soonish but we don't really have anywhere to move her to right now. I think she would surely sleep better in own room but them's the breaks.

My DD likes to run her head on the mattress and keeps her hands up by her eyes whilst thrashing. Good job she's in a sleeping bag!
I hope she cuts a tooth soon as she's constantly got red cheeks, chewing and groaning in her sleep
People with non-sleeping babies you have my sympathy

Urgh, the regression has hit here big time. She woke up 10 times between 7 and 6 last night.. and most times needed feeding to get back to sleep. Surely I'm going wrong somewhere with sleep association? Or is it just that she's changing loads at the moment - growth, clear development stuff like sitting up - so NEEDS to feed all the time? I'm feeding her every 2 hours during the day, so she shouldn't be that blinkin' hungry.

What with no sleep and no house at the moment, things are feeling a little shite.

Oh no poor Pip- hope you both get a bit of a rest today. And well done on sitting up

Just worked out that she got 7 hours sleep between 7am yesterday morning, and 7am this morning. Gah. No wonder she's I'm a stroppy moo today!

Oh no goats this parenting malarkey really is a test of endurance. We had a typical rubbish night and very little daytime sleep too. Keep trundling on.....

Right, question.

I've never fed the baby anything other than breast milk and the odd calpol. We won't wean until 6 months because a) I'm lazy, but mostly b) her dad has a milk allergy. I've not given up dairy while pregnant or feeding, and eat milk, yoghurt, cheese, chocolate, butter and cream almost daily without any obvious issue for her. So far we've not had a colic or stomach problem related to feeding.

So, if I were to start giving her a formula feed at night, which is obviously made up mostly of milk, should I expect there to be a problem if she's got her dad's thing, or would that have come out already?

I know that no one is a doctor, but there might be some experience here.

Sorry I don't know the answer! I think it may have shown itself by now If you've been eating dairy but I'm just speculating. We use the odd bottle of aptamil here n there with no ill effects. I guess you could just mix a little formula with expressed milk to test the water so to speak?

I would imagine it would already have been apparent if you are eating dairy as normal. Good luck with the formula. E enjoys the odd bottle now and then.
When are these teeth going to pop through? Had a very grumpy baby recently. She's rubber her face so much she's got a blood shot eye. Thank god for scratch mitts. Dosed her with Calpol and hoping she sleeps ok tonight.

I think that if she was dairy intolerant goats, you would know by now.

Thanks dudes. Weirdly she's doing the arched back reflux thing tonight -first ttime ever that I've seen a reaction to eating other than a bit of happy chucking. Perhaps she saw the bottles of formula and thought she'd wind me up!! I'm going to try it mixed with breast milk first, maybe during the day.

Good luck tonight everyone. We've had a shocking evening so far, so am expecting a bad'un. Meh.

Goats if she is only mildly intolerant then other than maybe some colicky screaming in the early days then no lots of BF babies have no symptoms until weaning or when put on formula. They're often just dismissed as difficult or high needs babies because they're difficult to console or settle. Most CMPA babies aren't diagnosed until 6 months plus. Its only the most sensitive who get the gut damage early on - so no its not unusual to only be seeing symptoms now.

The only way to test is a total elimination diet for 6 weeks or rast tests if its an IGe allergy. Or try a df formula such as nutramigen AA but as these are lactose free there are concerns about their long term impact on brain development, as neurological development needs lactose.

Probably not what you want to hear but elimination and gradual reintroduction (we're just reintroducing my son at 2.5) is the best way to prevent long term side effects such as ulcerative colitis.

My friend's baby with the Pierre Robin syndrome is suspected CMPA and has been put onto normal formula this week in the full expectation that all hell might break lose - but exposure or elimination is the only way to tell - and some only have a very, very subtle, easily missed response to dairy in breast milk.

Hi goats, unfortunately my friend breastfed her little girl til about 6 months, all absolutely fine, no symptoms - introduced a bottle of formula around 6 months and she had quite a strong allergic reaction. The good news is, at a year old (after just carrying on with breastfeeding) she can now manage dairy in foods, apart from a full on bowl of milk and cereal

Oh I'm absolutely expecting there to be a problem at some point - the dairy thing has been a problem for babies in my extended family for years (although not for me or my brother), with slow introduction when they were 4 or 5. My boyfriend has UC, probably brought on by dairy eating when he was a baby. He's dairy free now, but the damage is done. I'm on lookout for all the symptoms, but until last night there was nothing. She's not been a particular screamer or unsettled even from the beginning.

I'm going to try a tiny bit of formula at the weekend, in a bottle of expressed milk. Would be good to know about any allergy or intolerance before we start weaning, because then at least I know that I'm stuck with breastfeeding longer than I want to. It would be easy to be dairy free in this house - all the alternative products are already 'found' and in the cupboards due to himself.

Last night she slept fine, there was a LOT of farting then no more back arching, although I put her in my bed at 1.30 because I couldn't be bothered with getting her in and out of her sleepyhead, so that might have helped her feel calmer in general. Just fed her lying down a couple of times in the night, and all was fine. She slept 9.30 - 1.30 (with a couple of soothes), then through til 4.30, then 6.45. So, about a gazillion times better than recent nights.

I wonder whether eating lying down helps her too - she seems to get less windy, probably because it's less gulpy for her.

Goats we were advised to exclude dairy (from my diet and formula) for six months as before six months her gut will be leaky and its easier for proteins to cross the gut wall and potentially cause an allergy. From six months the gut seals so subsequent exposure is less risky. With a dairy allergy in the formula she shouldn't have dairy solids until one. She might be ok with formula if your DH's issue is milk whey rather than the milk casein (curds) as formula is hydrolysed whey. The least sensitive CMPA babies only react when transitioning from formula to cows milk.