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October 2014 // thread 5 // baby's first Christmas

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JeannePoole · 18/12/2014 20:24

Welcome back!

(Dear greetings cards manufacturers: 'Baby's First Christmas' does NOT necessarily have to include Baby being liberally sprinkled with glitter from your shoddily-made merchandise.

Except that, as I'm rapidly discovering, it does.

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STIGZ · 07/01/2015 07:02

moose i think a wee trip to the doctors with baby moose just for a wee m.o.t ? Have you tried a wee bit of calpol incase he has headache or sore throat or something ? You both must be shattered ?

Happytimes31 · 07/01/2015 07:23

munday was a poo day for us yesterday too, so much washing!

ohthegoats · 07/01/2015 08:40

Another of these weird nights here. She's falling asleep around 7, but not happily staying asleep until after 9. At that point sleeping until midnight. That's a 5+ hours without food, so she can do it. After midnight awake until gone 4, half screamy, half chatty. After 4 will only stay asleep of touching me.

Any ideas? The touching thing is new.

splendide · 07/01/2015 08:59

I'm seriously considering sleeping in a different room to A. He slept 10.30 - 4.30 then back to sleep about 5-8.30 but I didn't sleep at all after 5! He's so noisy in the second bit of the night, it's insane. I presume he is sleeping as he's not crying but he's clicking, squirming, little moans, the odd dolphin shriek.

sazzlehopes · 07/01/2015 09:20

Splendide I moved my ds1 into his own room at 3 months becaus the noises drove me mad, I slept so much better as I only woke for proper crying.

So last night N went down finally at 9.30. He was wide awake before. Then he woke at 12.30 and I fed him 2.30 fed again 3.30 but he settled himself by sucking on his hand, he's now completely refusing a dummy and then woke at 5am fed 6am grumble and puke then woke at 8am.
Am I feeding him too much at night, giving in too easily as it normally settles him. Or perhaps I need to sort out a better nap schedule for the day. What do others roughly so for naps. How much and often? N will be 14 weeks this saturday... I'm so tired from these crappy broken nights.

fatpony · 07/01/2015 09:28

Splendide we have a dolphin here too - he does all these weird clicky, whicker (like a horse makes) sounds.

ohthegoats · 07/01/2015 09:55

Sazzle - we do a nap 2 hours after waking, usually about half an hour. Then another 2 hours after waking from the first one, she does this on her own, falling asleep wherever. The afternoon nap is more random - she definitely needs one, but timings change. I'm obviously still doing things a bit on demand, hence why my night times aren't really working yet.

wondermoose13 · 07/01/2015 10:25

Yep we are stigz absolutely buggered! Not sure my gp would be much use, they think im a bonkers ftm as it is from when i had to battle to get him reflux meds. The annoying thing is we know he can do it, but doing 2 hrs at 1pm and then thrashing around like a crazy person just isnt good!
Ive had about an hour asleep with him this morning but he just wont stay still :s got my delightful hv coming tomorrow so may ask her

DutchMummy88 · 07/01/2015 10:31

splendide - I moved my boy (13 weeks now) into his own room a while ago as I couldnt take the noise anymore! He's just in the room next to me so we dont use a monitor either. I can hear him as soon as he starts to cry a little bit. Everyone sleeps so much better now.

Sazzle - my baby has never fallen asleep on his own so I really have to put him down for a nap.
We normally get up round 7am then a nap at 9am for about an hour.
Another nap at 13pm ish for about 1.5 or two hours.
And ideally another small nap around 17h but that one is a bit of a challenge....
This is however in an ideal world and some days it all goes tits up

ohthegoats · 07/01/2015 10:54

Thinking aloud -

  • perhaps we're just not ready for a 12 hours of sleep bedtime routine - maybe I should just do the bath and bed thing and only expect a nap to happen at that point - that would give us an hour to eat together at least. Then get her up again if she's awake for another 2 hours then go to bed with me. Perhaps then she might go back to her great one wake up at 3/4/5am thing. Would make me saner too.
splendide · 07/01/2015 11:36

Might be worth a try goats. I'm currently not prepared to risk him moving his 5/6 hour stint to 6.30-midnight. Although we're still feeding all evening so I guess that would have to stop before it's an option anyway. I always try for a nap so we can have dinner but I've managed it about twice!

FATEdestiny · 07/01/2015 11:56

"Another of these weird nights here. She's falling asleep around 7, but not happily staying asleep until after 9. At that point sleeping until midnight. That's a 5+ hours without food, so she can do it. After midnight awake until gone 4, half screamy, half chatty. After 4 will only stay asleep of touching me.

Any ideas?"

It sounds to me like your little girl wants to sleep with you, in bed with you. If it was me I'd just go with the flow and let that happen.

I also wouldn't bother putting her 'to bed' at 7pm, I'd make that sleep a daytime nap and do bedtime as 9pm - including bath and getting PJs on at that time, since it suits her. (my DD is often napping half hour before she has her bath, but still goes down OK when we put her to bed properly an hour later).

I absolutely wouldn't tolerate several hours awake in the night - Midnight to 4 awake, blimey. You must have the patience of a saint. I take the easy option at nightime at this age - feed, feed, feed, feed and cuddles in bed with me. Have you tried lying down breastfeeds (assuming you are bfing)? Once me and DC2 figured out lying down feeding I stopped even properly waking up for feeds - he just found his own way.

Feed enough and you eventually get to the 'milk drunk' stage of being really dozy.

I generally do my crying checks in the following order:

  • hunger (feed, feed and feed again)
  • comfort (nappy, sore bum, temperature, bunched up clothes or blankets)
  • pain (medicate as required)
  • sleep (dummy, cuddles)

In the middle of the night if it's not the first three then you have tried everything and baby just needs to sleep. If it was me at that point baby would be cuddled up close next to me in bed and I'd just ignore or shush through any grumbles because there is simply nothing else you can do. If still crying after half an out close cuddles then I'd start at the beginning of the checks again and so start with feed, nappy and so on...

MundayCakes85 · 07/01/2015 12:07

Half successful baby wrangling. She had a feed, threw up. Back on the boob, huge poo. Third attempt and more sick. Put her in her cot as I have things to do and after 10 mins grumping she's worn herself out!
Rubbish night again, hope she remembers how to sleep again soon Confused

ohthegoats · 07/01/2015 12:26

Thanks fate and splendide. I've been reading some stuff this morning and reckon that treating the 7pm sleep as a nap is the way forward. It doesn't help that we've temporarily moved while some work is done on our house, so it's all unsettling (for me too frankly - we're in a village, I'd forgotten how reliant on a car rural living makes you, I don't like it).

So, I'm going to nap her in my bed, then try a couple of times to get her in her crib when i do feed at 10.30pm, if it doesn't work, then straight in my bed no worrying. I want to use my time in a village to do good country walks, but currently too knackered to do anything other than sitting on a sofa.

wondermoose13 · 07/01/2015 12:57

I wish babymoose would cry himself out, i put him in his cot with white noise at 11am so i could have a wee and some breakfast and he just got more and more worked up to the point where it sounded like someone was stomping around my room but it was him thrashing his legs about :s

sazzlehopes · 07/01/2015 13:12

Thanks goats and dutch. It's good to know other napping schedules... It's funny I was feeling really confident at the beginning with this being my 2nd ds...but when you've had a few sleepless nights doubt starts to creep in that you might be doing it wrong...again. My 1st ds was rubbish at sleeping at night and napping too, although he is great now so i know there is an end in sight...even if it is 3 years away!

And fate i think you answering goats has put my mind at ease that feed feed feed is total acceptable at this age as an answer to crying and some babies just aren't ready to go to bed at 7 yet. my other boy goes to bed at 8pm, 7 is just too early for him and he ends up getting up at 5/6am, whereas bed at 8 means his wake up time is normally 7am. Babies/kids/adults we are all different guess!!!!????

DutchMummy88 · 07/01/2015 13:46

We've got the opposite problem with bedtimes... By 17h my boy is so cranky and tired no matter how many naps he has in the day. I try and keep him entertained till about 18h then bath and a bottle and in bed by 18:30.
He then sleeps till about 3am most nights. Has a quick bottle and straight back to sleep. But then wakes up at 5am. I can get him back down till 6 or 7 by giving the dummy and a quick cuddle. But its doesnt really give me any sleep as I cant fall asleep again.
We've tried a nap in the evening and then bed later but it just seems to piss him off even more and he will wake up at 1am rather then 3...

STIGZ · 07/01/2015 14:48

I am in the mind set that night feeds will probably decrease once solids are introduced? Am i being naive ? I tortured myself with first dd, once she starts solids, once she starts walking, once she starts nursery no it was when i accepted that she needed to be close to us ( in our bed basically) im hoping this wee one will be diffrent and will sleep 7/7 at some point in her own bed, i know children who do so im clinging on to the fact that it is possible Hmm

Missus2ndwife · 07/01/2015 15:24

There must be something in the air because we also had an awful night too and for the first time since I think I've had him, I feel almost broken.

A bit like Goats, the Boo woke up around 12.30am chatting AND shouting. I was up for hours.
He must be exhausted today too because he's been asleep for 2hrs now
On. His. Own, whereas the last few days he's had to sleep on me.

I bet if I just close my eyes for a few minutes he'll wake up again

wondermoose13 · 07/01/2015 15:58

I know im sounding like a broken record but what tips and tricks do you use to get them to nap in the day? Im determined for him to have at least one nap a day but ive just no idea where to start. Its all starting to feel a little helpless. I know hes tired because he fell asleep on his changing mat after his bath last night at 8pm (dh decided to move him and woke him) but ive just no idea how to get him there.

MundayCakes85 · 07/01/2015 16:08

Moose I'm currently sat rocking DD who has a dummy in and is wrapped in a nice blanket. She had a feed but woke up when I put her down so she played on her may for 10 mins instead. Hoping she'll drift off soon!

Missus2ndwife · 07/01/2015 16:14

Moose - mine mostly sleeps on me at the moment. Wrapping him in a muslin or blanket today, cuddling as he drifted off helped the transfer process into his bed but that could be a one off.

FATEdestiny · 07/01/2015 16:21

Moose - is your LO not sleeping at all during the day? Gosh, that must be tough on you both. Me and DD both had a 2 hour nap this afternoon, woke up at 2.45. Fed, school run and she's just dropping off in the bouncy chair in front of me now - so 90 minutes awake. Shame I can't leave her to sleep though, got to go fetch the bigger two from science club in 10 minutes.

Tips - make sure he has a full tummy, clean nappy, warm enough. Dummy in and bounce is my mantra. Recently I don't even need to bounce, just dummy in makes her eyelids droop.

If you use a dummy, try restricting it for only sleep time. I put the dummy away and out of sight at all other times. So when DD starts grumbling and I know she's tired, in goes dummy and she's asleep straight away.

She has fell asleep in the time it has taken me to write this post. Shame I have to wake her up to put her in the carseat now Hmm

Happytimes31 · 07/01/2015 16:42

moose mine only sleeps during the day out in the buggy or the car seat. He used to just spark out on me but hasn't for a few weeks now. Am currently feeding him and he might then nap on me for a bit.

STIGZ · 07/01/2015 16:47

Honestly moose something like this has been a god send for both my children's naps in the daytime, you can get one for about forty quid or maybe cheaper if you shop around ?

Another suggestion... Maybe he doesn't like lying flat? sometimes i prop my dd up on a half moon shaped feeding pillow after feeds, it helps with the reflux and means i dont have to physically hold her upright

October 2014 // thread 5 // baby's first Christmas