October 2014 // thread 5 // baby's first Christmas

[JeannePoole]

Welcome back!

(Dear greetings cards manufacturers: 'Baby's First Christmas' does NOT necessarily have to include Baby being liberally sprinkled with glitter from your shoddily-made merchandise.

Except that, as I'm rapidly discovering, it does.

First time with pip in a proper bath on her own tonight. Was ace, she giggled and splashed like mad. I think the baby bath is too confining.

We're now playing 'who loses the willto live first'. She's in bed (lying in the middle of ours), which is currently in the next room. She's been there an hour and I've been in once to resettle her. When I put her down for the third time and she started crying, I thought sod it I'll come and lie here with her for a bit, but need a wee first. While I waa doing that she stopped wailing and fell asleep starfish stylee.

I'm now watching her on a monitor and every little sound is making her jump, but she's still sleeping. Feel like each cough or filling of the kettle will be the wake up sound.

What's more important, the fact that she sleeps or the part where she's in the right place? There's no chance at the moment of both of these happening at the same time. I'm going for the sleep bit on the theory that once her body gets used to sleeping in the evenings, it will happen regardless of where she is. Or something optimistic like that.

I think sleep better than where goats, definitely.

Mine currently flat out after second jabs this afternoon. She was a star - screamed for a minute then was ok and smiled in the car all the way home. She's definitely a yorkshire lass - has a rod of iron in her!!

Jeez now I am terrified of the sleep regression thing...little M is 12 and a half weeks but 11 and a half adjusted so anytime now!

Goats during a regression / wonder week our rule was "sleep at any cost" - cosleeping, pacing hell even driving Jonas round! 'Bad' sleep habits aren't permanent at this age.

Sazzle is there the chance that the shit sleep is as a result of the reintroduction of dairy? Now Jonas doesn't reflux anymore - very disturbed sleep from tummy pain is his classic reaction to accidental dairy exposure.

Moose yes I'd give half the dose at night and half in the morning. As babymoose gets older and spends more of the day upright, I'd give the majority of the dose before bed as reflux is worst when prone.

Me all omeprazole doses are weight linked - if v is taking a full 10mg tablet in a day, assuming she's around 5kg that works out at 2mg / kg of bodyweight in a day xx

yellow has omep not given you any insomnia issues? I might try splitting the dose as im a bit torn betwern insomnia and reflux pain. Hes been really pukey today which he wasnt when on ranitidine, hes always been a silent refluxer. This morning it was huge and porridge like and then lots of watery sick this aft :s

high five bettyjudy! H had hers as well this afternoon and was a wee star too, she then had a 2.5 hour nap afterwards which made me worry I'd not be able to get her to bed tonight! Gave her a bath just after 8pm and as I was drying her off she was closing her eyes, shaking her head and shouting as she chewed her hand (her "Mother I'm fking tired" cue) so she's in bed a half hour earlier than normal . Now I have 45 mins or so until DH gets home, Christmas deccies are down and put away and I really should be making our dinner but sheesh I can't be bothered. Quick fajitas rather than the planned moussaka I think..
splendide you've really busted yourself to get this far, and the amount of blood sweat and tears you've put in says faaaaaar more about the kind of mum you are and will be, than the matter of whether you feed your baby by bf or ff. You have a full thread of us ladies (plus your DH and RL friends I'm sure) behind you xx

Ok so I put r down at 6.50. He had not had a sleep since he woke at 2.30. So he was knackered he had a full 6 ounce bottle burped and fell asleep straight away flat out snoring. I put him in his cot 10 mins later awake and crying so I went in offered more milk no didn't want it, winded again and checked nappy fine. Held him and he was obviously tired so lay down on the bed starts smiling and waving his arms everywhere.
I'd had enough. Dp was out two eldest were up still downstairs missing out on any alone time with mummy, so I put him in his cot and left him to it. He cried on and of for 8 minutes I went in twice stroked him and he calmed a bit after 8 minutes he fell asleep. On his own in his cot.

Am I a really bad parent for leaving him I just felt at the end of my tether and sorry for my girls downstairs on their own :(

Pregnant thats ace! Only 8 mind of crying then sleep! Definately dont feel bad! :)
Would love to try this with babymoose but he just gets more and more het up. My own fault for always feeding to sleep

Don't worry pregnant i do this also .. A wee stroke, shoosh or pat every now and then is still letting them know you are there. If she gets really upset i pick her up but if not a shoosh & stroke it is. Enjoying this as i cant handle the "exorcist stage" where they are screaming through the bars of the cot

Oh maybe yellow I hadn't thought about that. When he wakes at night he just grumbles then I pick up and feed and he goes back to sleep ok the first time and then after the second he normally ends up in bed with me but doesn't seem in pain? I'm not sure really... It's so hard to know isn't it. I guess unless I cutbut all back out again I won't really know. He shows no other CMPI signs now though...nappies are fine, less puke, etc. what do you think?!

Thanks moose I just feel a bit mean. I'm sure it was just a fluke.

I'm starting to feel like if I don't start to tackle this a bit (and I don't mean cc or leaving him to cry for ages) it's just never going to get any better. I feel like I have to think about the others too. The dds go to bed a bit later and in the time they are up on their own I'm usually upstairs sorting r out and it seems to be taking longer and longer.

X post stigz that makes me feel a bit better he did go abit exocisty at the end when I was just about to go in he suddenly went quiet!
I think because he's never really cried that much I find it hard to take. But then I suppose no one enjoys it!

Felicity goes to bed awake in the evenings now that we've started a bedtime routine. No crying whatsoever. She has formula at bedtime. 7.30 half bottle, bath, sudocream, PJs, 2nd half of bottle, burp, dummy in and put down in cot. All done by 8.00. I always mill around for 10 minutes in case she shouts. Yesterday her dummy came out once and she grumbled but apart from that I've not needed to go back in at all for about a week now.

"had a full 6 ounce bottle" Can I ask a basic formula question pregnantagain?

I am sure how you make up formula has changed since I last used the powder. I'm certain I used to scoop powder into bottle then add water - so 6 scoops then make up to 6oz with boiled water. Now I see that I am supposed to put 6oz of water in the bottle and then add 6 scoops - which ends up making more like 7oz of finished feed.

So I don't know if the bottle I am giving is considered 6oz or 7oz? It doesn't really matter but just wanted to double check with someone. 7oz (ish) of formula milk is made up using 6 scoops? Was much easier when 7 scoops = 7oz.

fate I class a 6 oz bottle as a bottle that is made using 6oz of water (in the bottle first) with 6 scoops of powder. It measures more like 7ozs at the end though.
Dd1 is 9 and I've always made them like this it is abit confusing though!

My other 3 have all been like yours at bedtime think that's why this one has thrown me a bit

Just tried white noise to get babymoose to sleep and he went mental! I really want to try putting him down awake and walking away but hes only ever been fed to sleep and doesnt take kindly to shushing and patting and just works himself up more. That being said he wont even feed to sleep at the moment

Thanks Pregnant, I wasn't sure. DS who was ff is now 5. So it would seem I made all his bottles wrong because I am certain I used to do 6 scoops and make up to 6 oz. Oops! Good job I actually read the instructions this time.

My baby gets white noise by default at night because I am literally addicted to the sound and feel of my bedside fan. I cannot sleep without it. Interesting all three of my older children insist on switching their bedroom fans on overnight all year around. I think I may have passed my white noise addiction on to them from when they were babies.

I also follow the 1 scoop per ounce method - it does seem like more if you add the powder to water, but then he's stop finishing a full bottle for a while now and is still gaining so it must be right, right?

I think we're in for a long night ahead. The Boo is fussing, niggling and clingy. I've been holding him very close to keep him calm and quiet.

Hopefully he'll go down shortly without too much drama.

Night everyone. X

Bump righty. Gaviscon is a very mild antacid and stomach content thickener. Ranitidine is a histamine receptor antagonist which reduces stomach acid production and acidity and which also has mild anti emetic properties (it makes reflux less acidic and very slightly reduces reflux). Omeprazole is the strongest antacid used for infant reflux - it is a proton pump inhibitor so turns off stomach acid production. Downsides of gaviscon are its hard to administer if BF, its very mild so won't work in many cases and it constipates. Downsides of the others are cost (so difficult to get a gp to prescribe), side effects which can inhibit uptake of minerals and vitamins (B12 with ranitidine, iron with omeprazole so ensure baby is on a supplement when on solids), insomnia (not happened to mine - untreated reflux was far worse for insomnia!) and risks of allergies if on long term. Hope that helps xx

Bump basically if reflux can be treated just with ranitidine that's preferred as its milder and has fewer risks of side effects than omeprazole. But to put it into perspective - the side effects of untreated reflux are far worse than those associated with either drug - insomnia, oral aversion / solids refusal, oesophagus erosion, damaged voice box, attachment disorders, colitis etc

Sleep dammit babymoose!!

Even on his absolute worst nights hed give in around 530 and sleep for an hour or so, tonight its just frantic determined chewing, hes not even dozing off :(

Moose has the baby given in yet?
Yesterday was a day for poo. E did 6 poos and got through 3 outfits. Tonight she's been mainly farting like she's doing the world's biggest poo whilst slamming her legs onto the mattress We've been up twice and poor DH is up for work soon

Gosh thought I'd cursed myself writing what I did up-post (about sleep regression being due). Mins after could hear M grumbling upstairs where DH was putting M down. First time in six weeks he complained/didn't pass out straightaway when put to bed. Wasn't really crying more shouts and grumbles. We were starving so left him too it and about 7 mins later he conked out. Phew!