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September 2006 babies

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Lysettes · 14/09/2006 09:32

Start of our september 2006 post natal thread!

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clairemow · 10/10/2006 14:51

Pol, glad to hear it. I hope that becomes normal for you and DP...!!

Coriander73 · 10/10/2006 14:58

HV has been...Jack is now 9lb 15oz...over a pound has gone on in 10 days..that's why my nipples feel like dropping off!!!! I start expressing tm in the hope that DH gives him the infamous 10-10.30pm feed so I can try & get 4-5 straight hours sleep...!!!!!

Good to hear it Pol... Glad they arrived safe compo..what a good night sleep too!!

mabel1973 · 10/10/2006 15:07

Oh I'm feeling great today - after another 6 hour sleep stretch, plus he went back down again without a peep til 7 this morning, I then have been shopping in town - yes! Civilisation does exist outside nappies and boobs!!!
MIL has had Ds1, so me and Ds2 and my neighbour and her Ds2 have hit the shops. I have discovered the new Primark and treated myself to a few new things - plus made a start on xmas shopping!
Pol - glad to hear things have improved slightly on the DP front - lets hope he keeps it up!!

liquidclocks · 10/10/2006 20:12

Pol - yay ! Lets hope he keeps it up (an hour on the phone to his mum every evening - apron strings need cutting pronto!)

Very jealous of those of you getting more than 3 hour stretches of sleep at the moment but then I am a few weeks at least behind most of you. Plus DS2 is SO much easier than DS1 was, I'm very pleased it's this way round though or we'd have been shell shocked. I've also read today that you can keep expressed breast milk out of the fridge for 6hrs when fresh so tonight I'll express and just leave it by the bed and DH won't even need to go downstairs - lucky him! Also (touch wood) I haven't had any migraines yet thanks to being able to take my meds so feeling altogether far better than I did at this stage with DS1. Had my first 'on my own' day with the 2 of them today and I enjoyed it so much, I even made scones I had so much free time - all these 'helpful' visitors have been nice but actually have been more work!

Only thing that's making me feel slightly sad is that because I feel so good and happy now with DS2 it's thrown into sharp perspective how unhappy and low I was with DS1 and that I didn't give him the 'happy' cuddles and love I'm able to give to DS2. Just an odd feeling really... Have to make it up to him by giving lots of cuddles now!

mabel1973 · 11/10/2006 08:54

Liquid - your post struck a chord with me. I feel excactly the same. I fell in love with DS2 straight away and feel really happy with my boys. But I remember with DS1 really struggling at the beginning and certainly not feeling the same instant bond I've felt with DS2. To be honest though looking back, I think I was in shock after the birth - as they say nothing can prepare you for it. Also DS1 was not an easy baby like DS2 - so don't feel bad.

Well another good night here - don't want to sound like I'm gloating but ds2 went 7hrs and 10 mins last night! - is that classed as sleeping through?

clairemow · 11/10/2006 08:54

your 6 hours will come Liquid! We had 10.30 - 3.40 last night, then 7.15, so also feeling alive today! And DS1 is in nursery, so a lovely quiet day...

Liquid, I am impressed you managed scone making - your DS1 must be an angel!!

I have also been thinking how much more I am enjoying DS2 in this early stage. I think I was so stressed out with DS1 trying to get him to sleep and then be awake enough to feed that I didn't enjoy it as much as I should have. Needless to say, DS1 here is getting lots of cuddles too, as I'm so worried about him feeling left out.

how was last night Pol? Agree about the apron strings! Get your scissors out...

clairemow · 11/10/2006 08:55

wow Mabel!!!! !!

liquidclocks · 11/10/2006 09:28

Mabel - lucky you!! hope the extra sleep made you feel better too I think you're right about the shock first time around, I definitely didn't have PND but all the same it was still a struggle to manage emotionally - I'd just moved country as well to live full time with DH and left all my old friends back in Wales wheras this time around I have lots of new 'baby' friends who are all really wonderful. (and MN of course!)

Clairemow - I had a hint of the anxiety I had with DS1 yesterday when DS2 refused to stay awake from 2pm - 3.30pm but then I thought 'sod it! - he'll sleep fine tonight anyway', with DS1 I'd have got so wound up trying to wake him etc and then he wouldn't sleep properly later because he'd not been allowed to be either awake or asleep properly - more relaxed approach is definitely better IMO! (btw only managed to make scones as they were both asleep! yummy though, maybe I'll try cake today...)

Cori - hope your expressing goes well and you get that sleep.

It was great last night that DH didn't even need to go downstairs for the milk but I still got to doze! Now I need to convince him how worthwhile it is to keep DS awake enough to take the whole feed - I keep waking up to 2oz of 'leftovers' in the morning and I can't help but think if he'd just drink them we might get nearer to that magic moment of more than 3 hrs kip!

clairemow · 11/10/2006 10:02

Funny you say that about sleep Liquid - F keeps crying this morning when I put him down, and then falling fast asleep whenever I pick him up! I have just come down from a big cuddle lying on the bed, which was so lovely. I think his nose is snotty again, so lying in his cot must make it difficult to breathe.

I don't think it really matters how much they drink at the late feed - last night, F drank 3 1/2 oz, and slept to 3.40, the night before he drank 5 oz, and woke up at 2.20... I think a lot depends on how much they've drunk in the day as well, and as I'm bf, I have no idea!

Coriander73 · 11/10/2006 12:54

Hello!

Well I wacked on my pump this morning & got out 4oz in one shot.. Have left in the fridge now to try & get another oz or so for tonight. I'd forgotten what a chore it is though!!!

Liquid / Mabel, I understand what you are saying about feelign better with child no 2. Having Jack has brought into sharp focus how sad & depressed I felt when I'd had DD. With DS I bonded straight away & am feeling much more in control & more relaxed than I ever did at this stage with DD - something I feel a little guilty about. However I think first time round you just freak out a bit don't you? Everything is new & has to be learnt..I think it also makes you think about or question the way in which you were brought up & / or the relationship you have with your parents, particularly your Mum. I don't know....perhaps we're just believe in ourselves lot more & just have the confidence to do what we want rather than worry what anyone thinks??!

Liquid, can you believe that I've actually started to have feelings for sex again?!!!!! Not that I'm doing anything about it quite yet but makes me feel a little more human to realise that everything is starting to feel as it should so to speak!!

clairemow · 11/10/2006 13:59

Can babies sleep with their eyes open?! I just got back from lunch out with a friend (heaven!), and Fraser was asleep in his pram when we got to the cafe - I had a peek a bit later and his eyes were open, staring up at the sky. 15 mins later, eyes still wide and staring, but no sound from him at all! Eventually he began to cry about 45 mins later, luckily as we were paying, and then promptly shut them again and drifted off as soon as we started to walk home again. So I'm not sure if he's just slept for 1 1/2 hours, or whether he was awake for a good part of it!!! I sometimes wonder if they do that in their cots, and we never know...

pol26 · 11/10/2006 14:00

Hey ladies,

Glad to hear our nights seem to be getting better with our babies!

Did anyone watch britains youngest mums and dads??? I was soooo shocked! The girl of 13 with a baby!!! She was sooo mean to her little baby girl too. And the girl of fourteen in labour- she was similar to me begging for an epidural! I am praying to god that my daughter doesn't have a baby when she is still a baby, I just felt so sad for them.

DD was up screaming last night from 8:30pm until gone midnight... Nothing would calm her, we'd have a lull and then it'd start again. I don't even know what was wrong with her. Nothing would comfort her and i'm hoping that tonight will not be the same, fingers crossed.

clairemow · 11/10/2006 14:08

Poor you Pol, hope tonight's better for DD. How is DP?

I didn't watch the young mums and dads, but did watch Trinny and Susannah, and was in floods of tears! How sad is that?! but the couple on it were so lovely and the husband was just such a great guy I thought. Tears must be the hormones, but it did my milk supply good - got 7 oz out just after it ended!!!!

Coriander73 · 11/10/2006 14:43

Pol, could it have been something you ate possibly??

Clairemow, I wanted to watch Trinny & Susannah but was in bed!!!

pol26 · 11/10/2006 15:04

hows dp...??? well his WB came round last night!!! We only saw him on Saturday and then the thursday night before! He waited til I went to the loo, leaving B asleep in his chair came back to find 'musical chairs' had happened as WB was sat besides him and stroking him- B woke and I could've killed him!!! I said it was his wind down time and NIGHT time, since when do you play with a baby at NIGHT time!!! I really went crazy and told him that it was ok for him, WE had to pick up the pieces when he won't settle because he has been over stimulated late on. I told him it was getting to the point when I would be putting him upstairs where he could not even see him to stop the problems we had with him and then I added but why should we shut him away he is our son and it's our house! Next time, don't touch him or rock his chair etc... when he is contented leave him! Was amazed that DP actually then stood up for me and said to him that he ought to go too because DD was screaming on and off, B was now awake and wanting to stay awake! and he keeps disturbing B even when he is continiuosly told not to. WELL DONE DP!!!

Then this morning DP's mum called as WB lives with them and had obviously told her and she asked if I was ok I told her no, I assumed that WB had told her I had a bit of a go at him, she pleaded ignorance but was clear he had, as she never calls me! She then probed what had happened. Told her it was disrespectful him expecting us to be hospitable when it's the evening time, we have a busy life and he has plenty of time to see the children as he isn't working. Told her he always disturbs him and he thinks he has the right to. I am not 'funny' interms of ppl coming to see the children etc... but I would be if he carried on. She agreed- whether she really did though is still to be seen as she says yes to your face but no behind your back. Told her I was fed up of pretending all was fine when it clearly isn't.
Feel alot better after getting it all off my chest!!! And will be avoiding them all weekend as we have a 4th birthday party on Saturday and on Sunday i'm making elaborate excuses to do heaps of things with the pair of them.

Still have to get through visit from FIL today!

mabel1973 · 11/10/2006 15:25

Pol - glad you got it off your chest and nice to hear DP stuck up for you. Tbh I don't know many people (who are not the babies parents) who would think it's ok to disturb someone elses baby without asking if the parents mind 1st. I have to say I think your WB is rude if nothing else!
Claire - I watch T&S last night, it's not often a programme like that affects me, but I was really moved last night - made me appreciate what I've got.
It has tipped it down all afternoon here... We were supposed to go to playgroup, but by the time everyone was fed, chnaged etc it was 2.20pm and it finishes at 3pm (with a 15 minute walk) it hardly seemed worth it, so ashmed to say DS is glued to beebies.

compo · 11/10/2006 19:09

Pol26 - that's great news that you've told dp's family. Hopefully things will start to change with WB now
Dd is 4 weeks tomorrow and was weighed today - she's now 9lb1oz from a birth weight of 8lb 3oz so I'm pretty pleased with that. The hv wants to see her next week though as she still looks a bit jaundiced. She was awake and feeding for practically all of today and yesterday though... grrrr

liquidclocks · 11/10/2006 19:21

No cake making here as it turned out - DS1 (claire- no he's not an angel!) decided to drink DS2's EBM while I was upstairs changing DS2's nappy - but couldn't get too mad as thought it was partially my fault for leaving it within reach and he is only 23 months after all! I did tell him off though as he needs to learn he mustn't that - EVER!!! Anyway I've spent the day stimulating my boobs in a desperate attempt to get enough milk for the day so I wouldn't have to top up with formula - argghh - they hurt so much already and now they're worse! Also had MIL and FIL here too and DH had a day off so ful house again - I've learned a valuble lesson about myself in the past few weeks - I NEED MY OWN SPACE!!! Sorry for going on...

Pol - hurrah for your DP! It's wonderful he stood up for you and great you finally told MIL how you felt, hopefully thay can be a bit more compassionate towards you from now on

Cori - can't even contemplate sex at moment (I've told DH he has to wait 6 weeks until my post natal check anyway) - but you have lost time to make up for

Marls, mandaz, other people who haven't posted in a while (sorry, too many to list - you must all be very busy!)- hope you're all ok and babies doing well.

clairemow · 11/10/2006 19:31

compo, at that rate, she'll have put on another pound by next week!!

Liquid, PMSL at your DS drinking the expressed milk - bless him! It probably gave his immune system a lovely boost!! I've had to offer my DS1 a suck of 'Fraser's milk from Mummy's tummy' as he was mighty interested. Luckily, he didn't think it was that great and hasn't asked again... But poor you having to start all over again with the pumping.

Pol, well done you on telling MIL what for! I hope they all think about it all v. carefully and understand that you need their support right now, and help, not them poking your baby all hours of the evening.

Talking of sore boobs, I was flying DS1 over my chest on my feet yesterday and he kept on 'falling off' and landing on my tummy - once he pushed himself back up by pushing on my breast - God, the pain. Although I know why I'm breast feeding and I'm lucky we don't have any major issues with it, I will be glad when my chest is my own again...!!

pol26 · 11/10/2006 20:05

Liquid- so sorry for hearing about your DS... but no doubt he looked like the cat that got the cream!

We have stayed in all day today too as it has been chucking it down and we have had thunder storms too. Came down this morning and was so dark it felt like the middle of the night! DD has watched taped episodes of me too nearly all day... still I am quiet into it so mummy has been happy too [very sad and obviously mummy has no life emoticon]

Coriander73 · 11/10/2006 21:05

Liquid..PMSL about DS1 drinking your ebm!! Poor little thing- did he like it??!! I'm off to bed now having expressed a bottle for DH - having done that though Jack fed from 4.30pm through to 7.45pm pretty much...ab. exhusted & starving! DH now worried that he wont wake until midnight or something & is playing the martyr a bit!!!! I'm hoping to get al least 4-5 straight hours....wish me luck!!!

compo · 12/10/2006 07:40

ooh Corinader73 - how did it go? Hope you managed to catch up on some sleep!!
This thread makes me laugh - we're all so sleep obsessed at the moment Hard to believe that come Feb/March time we'll all be talking about weaning!!
Well after being on and off the breast all day yesterday the evenign was no better until eventually dh gave dd her top up bottle at 10.30pm and she finally fell into a deep sleep - phew!! It's okay being good at night but if the day's are like yesterday I'm not sure it's worth it At least ds is at nursery today and tomorrow so I get a bit of peace Dh has taken leave today as he's 'so tired' - men eh?!!

mabel1973 · 12/10/2006 11:20

Liquid - so funny about your DS drinking your ebm! When I had DS1, I expressed some to feed him and had some friends to visit with their little girl who at the time was about 18 months, she picked his bottle up out of the jug and started drinking my ebm!!!
So at least it's your own son that's had it and not someones elses!!!

HopingCat · 12/10/2006 13:14

Hi all.
Sorry to gatecrash your thread but I have a friend in need and wondered if you have any suggestions. Her first ds was born in September so is about 3 weeks old and he doesn't sleep at night. It's not every night but she can't find a noticable pattern in either his sleeping or feeding. Is there anything anyone on here has tried to get their crying baby to sleep a bit longer or more often, or anything that gets them to sleep in the first place? I want to be able to help her, but my first is due in November so I've no experience.

Thanks for reading this.

clairemow · 12/10/2006 13:50

hi Hoping cat -

it does take a while for babies to learn the difference between night and day, and you do have bad days and good days (or nights I should say!). For example my DS2 (5 weeks) only woke once on Tuesday night, at 4.30, but last night, he woke at 1.50 and 4.20 or thereabouts. And I think he's a pretty good sleeper at night.

The best tip I had for getting the longer stretches of sleep to be at night was to try and feed the baby as much milk as you can in the day, say between 7 am and 11 pm, so that they have most of their nutrtition then and need less at night. At 3 weeks, I was waking DS2 up to feed him every 3 hours (from start of 1 feed to start of the next, so feeding at say 7, 10, 1, 4, 7 etc.). THis also means he isn't doing his longer stretches of sleep in the day time. To wake him up, I'd tickle his feet, take his legs out of his sleep suit, blow gently on his face. It is tiring, as each feed tends to take a long time at that age, often at least an hour (I am breastfeeding, don't know if this would be quicker with bottle feeding). Newborns also can't really stay awake longer than 1 1/2 hours or so, so it's pretty much feeding and sleeping at 3 weeks!

Also to do the night feeds with only a very low light, no talking or playing and in the quiet, so that the baby begins to associate those dark night time feedings as different to feeds you do during the day in the light, with noise and eye contact etc.

However, you do need to remind yourself constantly at this tiny age that a newborn can't drink enough milk to keep going for a v. long time, as their tummies are so small. It depends how big they are! Also remember there is light at the end of the tunnel - this twilight period of massive sleep deprivation every night doesn't last forever.

Wish your friend luck, and hope this is useful.