November 2012 - Roll on summer, we want paddling pools!

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Stunt what BP said. He's reacting to those traces. J can handle lots of soy now after 6 months off but Pom Bears always give us an awful night. Your DHs 'kindness' - quite simply isn't. Give him bagels or part baked white bread as they are dairy and soy free. I would guess distilled soy is concentrated. J used to react like crazy when I had a Chinese. I'd imagine soy sauce and edamame beans would be the last soy I'd introduce.

There was 21 months between DD and S and we used our double buggy for a good 6 months or so. DD would half walk and half use the buggy. We had a P&T - was sad to see it go but we sold it maybe 6 months ago after not having used it as a double for a good couple before then.

I used my double loads when O was born, ds1was 2 .3 I sold it when we moved here when DS1 was 3.1 but tbh there were moments up until Christmas I would have used it, though I don't do so much walking to the shops as we have to get in the car to get anywhere.

Thanks BigPig and YW. Please lecture away you know yourself that when you're mired in the middle of it you can't see the wood for the trees I love mixing my metaphors. I'm off for a nap now as mum has taken J off for a nap with her but will update later.

I agree with others Stunt. J cannot tolerate pom bears and reacts to trace soya and dairy still. Your husband needs..... Deleted what I originally put. He needs to accept that J cannot have these things, and to give them is cruel.

Work is fucking me right off today. For a change.

Hallo.

How is the noggin wanda?

I am also fucked off vq. We can be fucked off together

Hola

Just checking in. Stunt, your DH astounds me sometimes. God forbid he ever has a pain inducing intolerance and somebody forces feeds him food that makes it worse, huh? That may have been a bit harsh But you are trying your absolute best for your boys and I get angry that your DH is making it so difficult for you.

I don't think that was harsh chasing

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Hands up for me putting prawns in DH's dinner tonight?

Hands up here! I must admit that similar thoughts had crossed my mind about XP and peanuts

Lovely afternoon adventure with O today. We have another new word - they seem to be coming every day now - he dropped his bear on the floor, showed him to me, said 'dirty' and then wiped all the dirt off

Stunt yes. Do it. See how he likes it

YW it could be, but I think it's more a combination of a long nap which meant that we didn't leave the house yesterday afternoon plus Granny doing things differently - she doesn't like him to cry, so if he wakes she sorts out the problem then just lets him play/reads books to him until I get home to do the actual parenting. Which is fine, and I'm grateful for all her support, but really really proves my point that he suffers badly from over-tiredness. He's slept 5:30-6:30 then dozed till gone 8 3 nights out of the past 7 (the other 4 were then normal nappy change at my bedtime then through till 7), and we haven't had a night that bad since I moved bedtime to 6 (or earlier) months and months ago.

I have and pizza and a bath nearly ready to soak in. Life is about as good as it gets :o especially as I had coffee with a friend today and she's given me a beautiful wool soaker and dungarees for R :o

You know the days when you are questioning your sanity? I had that today. She drove me to the limits with her tantrums. So glad she is in bed. She had her mmr as well today, hoping for a good night.

stunt sorry but I think your husband is a twat. (Hugs)

I went out last night to the wine festival, the sitter coped really well with her night terror. She now had 4 in 7 nights, not sure what causes it. Her eating is still in pants but I'm not stressing. Well not about that.

Ooh, and please could people talk to me about potty training? R has always hated wet/dirty nappies - since his first poo he refused to feed or sleep unless he was clean. That's in disposables and reusables, btw. Anyway the last couple of weeks he's been really playing up as soon as he wees. Yesterday evening he was pulling at his nappy and asking my mum for a change as soon as he'd wet. And today, he wee'd at 8:30 then not again until I took his nappy off when we got home at 2:30 - that's 6 hours . He missed the potty, but went 4 times on the same patch of floor - not on the sofa, or the rug - and got upset as he went. I praised him for going and was cheery about cleaning up, explaining that I hoped he'd use the potty next time.

I let him be nappy free from 3:30/4ish until after his bath every day and this is the first time he's ever wee'd on the floor, or anywhere other than his nappy. He knows what the potty is for because he's seen me on the toilet and pointed to his potty when it lived in the bathroom. I moved the potty to the living room when I started doing the extended nappy free time a couple of weeks ago, just in case. He tends to wee every few hours and flood his nappy, so has obviously got to the Toddler Wee stage.

Where do I go next? I'm not going to stop letting him be nappy free at tea time, he's got a nasty persistent patch of rash on the bottom of his balls where it touches the nappy (the reason I've moved to wool covers full time, and have stopped boosting his nappies - I just change as soon as I can after he's wet) but should I let him be naked all the time at home and encourage him to use the potty? Put him in nappies full time? Buy/borrow training pants? I have a couple of pairs of those and he just flooded the ones I put on him, and it really upset him, so I'm not sure he's ready for that yet

He's a bit young for potty training Pidj. Can you use liners/boosters (sorry don't know the terms as I don't clothbum) that stay drier to the touch? It might be worth you looking into EC as that works well for a lot of people. Fwiw I think I'll have the opposite problem with J as he will only wee in his nappy, he has never ever wee'd while having his nappy changed!

Potty training won't be happening in this house this year even if she is ready. So I can't advise I'm afraid :)

I don't think 18mo is too young for training if he seems ready. As long as it is only gently encouraged by you and not enforced (as seems to be the case) I think it's possible. I would look out for signs he is about to go, pop him on the potty, run some water, distract with a book so he doesn't run off, then praise praise praise if he does it.

And ask him if he needs to go every 15 min forevermore . Just be aware that once he gets it you shouldn't go back. However if after a few days he doesn't seem like he's getting it go back to nappies for a couple of weeks then try again.

I'm going to attempt training in July during nursery break. She will be 21mo and with nursery closed it's a nice window for summery nakedness.

If she's not ready then will have to do it hand in hand with nursery and those parents that do that seem to find it a struggle from what I've heard.

Yeah, I kinda want to avoid "training" but encourage what seems to be his natural behaviour iyswim. He really really hates a wet nappy, and that's becoming more pronounced as he gets older. He's an absolute dream when he's dry, but will climb on me roughly and push boundaries like no tomorrow when he's wet - just like when he's tired. It's like two different children. He immediately reverts to Perfect Baby once he's got a dry bum.

I will be putting him in nappies outside the house. At least until I've established whether today's stretch (and the previous dry nights) is a fluke or if he's actually got control and was deliberately waiting until we got home. A week or so ago I was changing a wet nappy on schedule - in the night, first thing, before nap, after nap, after bath - but often now the nappy is dry, so I leave it until it's been used then change asap because of the behaviour and rash.

Strategy for the next few days is to watch and observe, then. I might increase the nappy free time - with potty access - to breakfast. I can get him up, bring his clothes and nappy downstairs, and get him nappied and dressed just before we leave the house. What does the Quiche Wisdom think of that plan? Also, should I maybe take him with me if I go, as I normally leave him in the safe living room and go alone, to make it seem like a normal and desirable thing to do?

Weeing on the floor - or my parents garden - seems to upset him. So I don't think it'll be hard to get him to make the connection to using the potty - If (and it's a massive IF) he's doing this deliberately and because he's ready. If he's still in nappies at 4, that's fine by me although I'll be crying with tiredness at having 4 years of getting up in the night to change a fucking nappy :)

There's certainly no harm in getting him used to the potty and sitting on it, and making sure he know the words. If you let him run around without a nappy then when he pees you can say "Oh look you're doing a wee wee, we do a wee wee in the nappy" etc. so he's mentally learning what's required even if he isn't physically ready. Remember that girls can be potty trained a bit earlier than boys and also that when they can stay dry in the day then they might still need a nappy at night for a while longer. My DS1 was toilet trained very late at 3.5 but it only took a week from full use of nappies to completely dry even at night with no accidents. DS2 was toilet trained earlier, I think around 2.5, but we spent a lot of time rushing to find a loo because he needed to go 'emergently'!

Sounds similar to what has been happening here pidj. I let p run around nappy free before bath time but she fairly often wees. Once she started shouting "wee wee" when DH and I were on the loo we got the potty and she often comes and joins us for a wee sit on the loo. If she wees on the floor I just tell her cheerfully that it wee wee and it goes in the potty. Now she usually runs to the potty after she has wee'd on the floor but when she wees now she shouts "oh oh!" So it is small steps towards her awareness. That is as much as will be happening here for a while to be honest. To answer your question if you can stick the possibility of weeing on the floor then I would let him be nappy free and see what happens. He obviously finds weeing in the nappy uncomfortable so why not give him the option?

So, did DH get prawn casserole with a side of prawn toast then stunt?

I am still in a foul mood from earlier. I can't go into details and, frankly, no one would care but I can probably summarise my rant as follows:
Do your job or don't do your job. Don't however, blame me for the fact that you haven't done the most basic of tasks.
So there.

Very succinct and understandable rant pass

Sorry you've had a shit day.

I did my first shred day. Without weights. Will get the baked beans till out tomorrow.

At emergently

I hate people like that Pass. Fuckers

Yay GT go mama :o

Mmm sesame prawn toast

So, it sounds like I'm doing it right, or at least as close to right as I ever get. Will stick with mild encouragement then! Floor is parquet, so a quick squirt with Milton then a going over with posh almond cleaner stuff and a cloth sorts it right out. I can take the rug up for a while if necessary. Thanks

Pidj clothbum babies are often ready to potty train earlier as they get the uncomfy wet cues that disposable nappies mask - hence our generation toilet trained earlier. Sounds like he's ready on the wee front. To be able to hold the bowel and control poos is more tricky - I've seen lots of doctors argue that babies need to have been capable of walking upright up stairs for 6 months to have appropriately toned bum muscles for that. On that cue we're 6 months away as a minimum but I've no intention of training until next spring due to the baby. Before training I'm planning of putting him cloth for a month or so, so he gets the cues.