November 2012 - Any tips for surviving the 18-month sleep regression?

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I think the 5:2 would work v well for a lot of people (me included) as so many diets fail as folks after weeks of being 'good' go f*ck it and blow out on krispy kremes / booze / whatever they've craved whereas with the 5:2 you're only fasting for a short period and most folks can delay gratification for a matter of hours even if they can't for weeks and weeks. And if you fill up on veg protein even a very low calorie meal can keep you full for ages on fast days. I think there is also an addictive quality to junk food - dairy free I mentally craved chocolate etc but could go weeks and weeks without. Now if I eat it - I crave it again the next day in hours.

'Twas a long shot Pass

I find it easier to be "good" when I'm allowed to eat chocolate on work nights. Somehow I can keep control for 6 3/4 days a week then only eat a snickers.

Tonight I have scoffed R's Easter Egg (I was supposed to, his present was his Ikea trains and the Mr Tumble cutlery that came with) and half a bar of the Lidl stuff my mum got me... There's another full bar to go after that, but it won't last long

Hey quiche it's apple here. Not sure how to reset the password on my old account because it's linked to an email address I no longer use.

Lovely hearing about your days out enjoying the sunshine.

I'm up for a diet support group too. I've been doing well the last few weeks but still have a bit to lose.

My access course is a non starter for this September for various reasons, but I'm determined to do it next year. Hopefully by then I will be a mum of two. Yep we are officially now ttc.

Apple swit swoo vair nice new name! Good luck TTC

Off to look at nimble.

Bought salads and veggies. Bought some haloumi cheese as a treat for a non fast day.
I'm going to try it and see how it goes. If nothing else it will give me a but of a kick start.

Off to google nimble

Hallo perse!!

Nimble? Like the diet bread?

Can someone help me please? I need to be told to shut up and mind my own business. Or help. Basically I need outsider perspective.

My parents were up last weekend and they mentioned my nephew's diet. As you know he is 3 days older than p. Apparently he only ever eats the Ella's kitchen pouches with the sooky cap on. Very occasionally they said he got toast or cereal but most meals are from a pouch and often sooked straight out. He has no issues with reflux or lumps. My parents have tried him with normal food and said he enjoys it. Tell me straight, ladies, is this something to worry about? I will be honest and say I do worry but if I shouldn't I won't. I have no issues at all with pouches - p ate plenty and she also sooked them straight out the pouch. This was about 10 months ago, however.

Please, quiche, tell me to mind my own!

Pass I'd worry. He needs to be getting good food examples now to set him up for his childhood. He's not 10 months anymore. Given your sister has issues with junk food I wonder if this is her (misguidedly) attempting to keep his diet pure and healthy because she doesn't trust her own cooking / menu planning?

That was my feeling yw. My parents tell me that normal eating in her house is takeaway. They went for a pub lunch together and my sister freaked at what she would feed the wee one. She was apparently astonished that he ate mashed potato. Given my earlier post I am most reluctant to dive in with well meaning advice when I have no idea why she is doing this. The sheer expense alone must be crippling

He must be eating tonnes of pouches at each meal as they contain like 10 calories each!!! (hyperbole alert but you get my drift!). Eeek how much money!!!? Boil an egg, butter some bread, open a tin of tuna, peel a banana - real food doesn't have to be scary and taking some of the decision making back would be great for your sis.

Again. You are right on my point. She is aggravated by his constant hunger and worries about his weight. Aaaargh. I need to talk to her about this but it will be awful. We are not close and she feels I am mega judgey. Oh noes

He has no allergies or intolerances at all. He could eat anything she chose. I just don't get it. My parents have no idea how to help as everything they suggest sounds like "passme does . . . "

Hello insomnia...

The 5:2 is very restrictive, the reason it didn't work for me was because you still have to count calories 5 days a week. I had to be under 1600 on those 5 days and I struggled to be honest. 1600 calories should be plenty you could say but it wasn't for me. Anyway, I know that normal eating and exercise is the trick for me, no evening snacking which is my problem really.

Hi lily.

Need to put phone away or ill never sleep

Hello lily. Hello GT. Hello F - again

Happy Easter folks.

And pass, yes I would be worried too.

Hello night owls.

Yes Pass, I would be worried. J still has a jar occasionally when recovering from .D&V or similar, but as soon as he can tolerate it he is back on proper food. I will think on this

Morning,

I managed to go back to sleep for an hour but up again. What's everyone's plan today? I just checked, there is a program for kids by the river involving stroking bunnies so will cycle there with O. All shops are closed here and I will not see anyone I know today:(.

Big hug Lily. Your day does sound lovely, and O knows you I am sorry you will not have any contact with folk you know though. Perhaps you will make a new friend?

If I could, I would stay in bed all day. DH wants to go to Church - he can take the girls by all means but I am not up to holding a pissed off toddler whilst coughing my guts up and pissing my pants. This cough is horrid. J was coughing in the night but no sign of a temp thank God.

Will go to GPs this pm for dinner and an Easter egg hunt. DD2s birthday tomorrow so need to wrap gifts and write cards. But I would rather be in bed

BP how is F?

Pass there are lots of ready made meals for this age group in the chiller. Not ideal but better than the pouches.

As she eats take aways most of the time, perhaps she doesn't have the cooking skills and it would be a major change for the whole family. Does she work? Is it a time issue?

I understand her worrying about his weight, as I have worried about all three of my little fatties, but they eat well and are growing into string beans. DD1 can wear 3yo jeans, indeed nothing in her age comes close unless it is elasticated on the tightest setting.

Hugs Lily. That does sound a lovely day though. I also won't be seeing anybody at all today same as yesterday. And most weekends it sucks. Text me. And eat chocolate.

Pass you could send her The Red Book for her next birthday/any reason and say you've found it v useful with P and thought she might enjoy it. No judgement, no comment on her strange feeding, but she might just pick it up and read it?

gt I say nimble as a catch all I mostly use Tesco Danish bread or weightwatchers bread, for me this has been my saviour as I am a bread fiend so pretty much mon to fri I have that kind of bread at breakfast, since when I started loosing my Oliver weight.

Great job on the dummy pass must be a big job. I have never done dummy's mainly because I am terrified of having to go through the warning process

passi would worry about the food thing apart from nutrients etc they need food to chew to develop their mouth and face muscles for speech. prs idea is good about the red book.

Don't get me wrong YW the Bulletproof Diet is definitely on the fad side of the equation. Intermittent fasting such as 5:2 and 16:8 aren't really diets per se Chasing, they're a way to ensure your calorie intake matches your expenditure. There are also marked health improvements that go along with intermittent fasting that maybe even more important than the weight loss element.

My older two boys are twiggy sticks, not an ounce of spare fat on their bodies. I think the way they eat is completely in tune with their bodies' requirements. When they're hungry they ask for food, when they're full they stop eating no matter what's left on their plates or whether it's food they really like. Occasionally they devour everything in sight for a while then abruptly grow out of all their clothes. They eat a healthy diet most of the time so I'm quite relaxed about the occasional McDonalds or other treat. The only thing I'm really against is soft drinks which they are rather too keen on IMO. My eating on the other hand has been screwed up by being forced to 'clean my plate' as a child. I just keep eating until the food is gone no matter how much there is. I can't even feel that 'full' signal any more because of having to override it for years.

I have always had a particular interest in nutrition and the research at the moment is getting vairy interesting. The Framingham Study is now on its third generation and they are adding in investigation of genetic variations. For example people that possess a copy of the ApoE4 gene seem to be genetically programmed to store saturated fat. Even if they eat a calorie-restricted diet their bodies will still convert carbohydrate to fat and store it, all while decreasing the metabolic rate to conserve as much energy as possible. So if you're an ApoE4 carrier no amount of reduced calorie dieting is going to shift the weight.

Easter hugs for all of you who need them.

We are just having a regular Sunday with the ILs over for Sunday lunch. I think SIL is staying over tonight.

I have done something to my back. I can hardly move. It feels muscular down the sides from about halfway. It started yesterday mildly but today it is awful. Quiche diagnosis please.

Pass VQ's is a good point about the ready meals. Maybe you could say ooh have you tried these, we found them brilliant and so handy? I know they're still not ideal but maybe it would widen her range a little and wouldn't seem judgey (not that you are being but people are defensive) and not too intimidating if she's scared about cooking.