October 2013 Bus Graduates - A gummy grin and all is forgiven

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Wispa and Emmo - I'm in Leeds! Did you see the Groupon deal for baby swimming? We're taking the plunge!

wispa if you're on the fb group, there's a northern meet being planned

Anything - no I didn't but I really want to do it! What is it? Maybe we should have a Leeds meet up to. Are you both on the October babies FB group? If not PM your real name and a description of your profile pic and I'll add you. It's a secret group :) x

I am. I just posted about DD's projectile vomit!

Will checked the pinned post to put a name to a pseudonym.

Think the swimming is still available - £15 instead of £44 for four swimming lessons at pools across Leeds/Bradford ie Leeds Hilton, Momentum (Burley and Bradford), couple of places in York too. Classes start next week. Looks like a good way to pick up some tips without paying £10+ per session.

We're doing Burley on Tuesdays.

Iv just bought! Ha I'm going to monument leisure centre in Bradford. Not sure on days yet as iv just messaged with an enquiry. Iv always been worried about water but don't want H to be. Thanks for the tip! Aah I know who you are, I commented saying we'd had it twice x

Evening all.

giraffe I hope it all went well today.

I took A in for her second lot of immunisations today. Not as bad as the first because I was mentally more prepared, so after they had done it she started screaming and a big cuddle and a bit of swaying seemed to calm her down. She went straight away into drowsy mode then, and after a bad nights sleep I knew she would be tired, but could I get her to nap?! Could I hell! Hoping this 'sleep begets sleep' thing is rubbish and that she'll sleep well tonight! She doesn't seem to have had any other side affects as of yet, fx. She is feeding more than usual though.

The nurses pissed me off a bit. First question was "How is A today?" And I said that she was tired after a bad nights sleep. The nurse said "You're breastfeeding aren't you? Are you sure she's getting enough milk?" ... A) What kind of a question is that? B) She's growing, so I am hopeful she's getting enough! C) I don't know because she doesn't have a full/empty gauge! Made me a bit cross because I think that's probably one of the most difficult mental hurdles to overcome for a new BFing mum (not knowing how much milk your baby is actually getting).

I digress. Fingers crossed for a better night for everyone tonight.

I hate the whole "do you have enough milk" nonsense. So many friends/family have said they gave up because they didn't have enough milk for their babies, and I can't help but think it's more a crisis of confidence than a medical issue.

Your body is designed to bf. You baby is designed to bf. If it doesn't work it's most likely because you aren't getting enough support or the correct information, not because you're defective in some way.

The HV at weighing clinic was very surprised that DD was both breastfed and sleeping through. I almost threw a load of findings from the ISIS study at her, but realised I'd probably get a black mark against my name or barred from clinic ...

Sorry rant over. I couldn't bf my first because he wouldn't latch. Looking back, there weren't enough midwives to support me to bf, and I was too young and/or naive to fight for support.

Sorry again. Definitely finished this time. Bet you wish I'd never come back!

FIT - I gave up dairy in an attempt to sort out I's frequent grass green, liquid frothy poos. Three weeks after I cut it out her nappies went back to normal. No idea if the two are related or whether it was just a phase, but I'm much happier now than when I felt really powerless to help. The osteopath advised me that babies digestion usually sorts out at 12 weeks, so once she's over her immunisation side effects I'm going to experiment with reintroduction.

Tips - rice milk is pretty nice, and hazel but milk is lovely in coffee or porridge. Discovered this week that hit chocolate made with a tin of coconut milk is absolutely amazing especially after weeks of no chocolate.

I've also found that eating food with trace amounts of milk in does not effect DD at all which given that not much makes it into your breastmilk anyway might still be consistent with her being intolerant.

thank you for all the reassurance about my health visitor. were not getting visits still but have been advised to go monthly by paediatrician to keep an eye on Islas weight because of her reflux. I got a letter through yesterday with guidelines about "tummy time" apparently I should be aiming for 30 minutes 3x a day. am so glad I have you all or I would be panicking there is no way she has that but she does spend alot of time on me and in the sling.
feminist I gave up dairy but to see if it was the cause of reflux here. I assume will be different for skin conditions but I was told to give up all dairy completely for a week to see if it made any difference but it didnt help here. for a sweet treat I found aldi cherry bakewells are dairy free and tesco jam doughnuts, not healthy suggestions but I craved sweet things.
giraffe how was having the harness fitted? I really hope everything is sorted in 5 weeks. LO wont remember but its awful for you x
Naps here are also ridiculous. yesterday she had 20 minutes nap in crib, and then maybe 5 minutes after feeding a couple of times. she then had breakdown at 6 o clock. its exhausting. DS was such an easy baby he napped every 2 hrs for 2 hrs until he was about 8 months old. in fact he probably still has more sleep than she does and hes 3 on Monday. on a positive we seem to have bedtime routine sorted and injections not too bad this time despite her screaming blue murder at the nurses.

Hope A is ok after jabs rox also winds me up asking about milk supply. I think if youve made it to 12 weeks and shes gaining weight its safe to say shes getting enough, dont think.i could have not made a sarcastic remark.

Thanks everyone for asking about the harness. It went as well as it could I think. She went into meltdown at the end but was pretty good up until that point and she calmed down when I fed her. It's a bit distressing to see her in it but when she is covered up with a massive babygro you can hardly see it. And she doesn't seem to mind it as much as I thought she would. She slept the same as usual last night at least. Seems unsettled at times but she always does so don't know if it's the harness.

How was your night last night Roxvox. Hope you both got some sleep.

Hope you don't mind me asking giraffe, but what does the harness look like, I've never seen one? Does it keep the hips in a certain position?

Have a poorly ds here, full of cold and a nasty cough, so I'm assuming baby is going to get it too, joy!

No Bowl I don't mind. It is basically a set of straps that go round her shoulders, middle and legs with booties round her feet and they hold her legs in a bent position, I think the idea is to force the hip joint to connect properly. The bummer is that she has to wear it permanently for 6 to 12 weeks so no baths or easy cleaning or feeding and she is very restricted. I am dreading a pooplosion She will also have to live in baby grows 1 size up for the whole time as there isn't much else she can wear in winter. Hope lo doesn't pick up the cold!

Bless you both,I hope it does the job as quickly so you can get it off as soon as possible and lo's hips are all sorted x

Rox the nurse should have known better that's a stupid question because it's almost impossible to answer. I may have been tempted to say erm not sure, I haven't asked!
Anything- someone also told me that she couldn't continue bf because she had lots of milk but it wasn't of good enough 'quality'. I shudder at the thought of the support she didn't receive.

Sephy thanks for the tips, I bought hazelnut and almond milk to compare today, loving the hazelnut one and will use the almond one in my cereal. Also had the hot chocolate with coconut milk, had to water it down though as the coconut milk was so rich. Thanks Pinkbuttons, the jam doughnuts in Sainsburys are also dairy free apparently- I had to ask the bakery lady as they don't have ingredients on them. She was very helpful and got out a folder with the details. Then DP bought a fresh cream apple turnover. Grrr.

Giraffe I'm glad the harness hasn't caused any sleep problems, fx for no big poosplosions.

Spoke to soon on the harness front. C was miserable for the majority of yesterday and seems to be waking every 2 or 3 hours instead of 3 or 4. At least she is sleeping I suppose. She did just try to wee on her harness which seemed to cheer her up no end. Disaster averted though

Apparently I spoke too soon on the sleeping as well. The rest of the night has not been so good...

Fingers crossed her sleep improves as she gets used to it Giraffe

That does sound so inconvenient for you both. I hope it works too. Wasn't there another baby on the thread that was in a harness too?

Good news for me, I got onto my pgce course! The only issue is I have to do a 5 day work experience placement in the next 3months very difficult with a bf baby. It's even more frustrating as I have over 2 years school experience and last year when applying I did the 5 days experience to comply.

Congratulations slippy, I was wondering how you got on.
Can you do 10 half days instead perhaps? Does your LO take a bottle and can you express?

Eek at 30mins 3x a day for tummy time pinkbuttons. Does anyone really do that? We have maybe managed 30 minutes in total in his whole life all in 1-2 minute chunks.

Thanks for the support re the silly question from the nurse. I am hopeful it was just a slip up (like when my boss told me his wife was pregnant and I asked if it was planned, and wanted to cut my own tongue off right away as I know how awful a question that is).

A didn't seem to have any of the painful side effects that she had after the first lot of jabs this time. She seemed perfectly normal except for her resistance to sleep that afternoon and a few horrendously watery poos!

She seems to have gone back to sleeping well (3-5 hour stretches) again too, fx. Perhaps those few bad nights last week were just a phase. Thanks for asking giraffe.

pinkbuttons I don't do anything like 3 x 30 minutes of tummy time! That seems a bit excessive. A would get fed up after 5 minutes max, so I would have to do it 18 times a day to satisfy your HV! We manage maybe 5 minutes a week

I hope you get a better night tonight giraffe, poor LO.

Congratulations slippy!

A has gone from spending 160-240 minutes on average feeding each day to just 90 minutes the last few days. I have offered her it regularly, but she seems to be "full" after 5-10 minutes feeding at a time. I know it's meant to decrease over time, but this seems a bit sudden to me?

orange - we do maybe 10-15 mins of tummy time a day. LO would freak out if it was anymore than that - he's not a massive fan!

rox - our feeding time drastically reduced a couple of weeks ago aswell and he's gone from each feeding lasting upto 40 mins to now 15 mins average. I think it's a combination of supply sorting itself out and LO becoming more effective at feeding. He's alert, lots of wet and dirty nappies so I'm not worried.

Have largely given up on formal tummy time here as just leads to screaming but read somewhere that time lying on you cuddling, being carried in sling or upright all counts.

There's a growing feeling (at least in nz) that putting them in positions they can't get by themselves isn't helpful and they'll roll onto their tummy when ready (and hopefully then not hate it as they chose to be there). I like this theory so going with it!

Had C weighed today so just a smidge over 5kg at 13 weeks...my arms are looking more toned than they have ever done before. At last I've found a benefit for my post-pregnancy body

Slippy congratulations! Very frustrating that you have to repeat the time again though when you had been so prepared.

Yes there was (and still is) another baby with the harness and the lovely mum has been giving me some advice on fb.

Same here re tummy time, don't know how anyone does it. We have 5 minutes a day here if we are lucky. I like your theory kiwee

Ps another bad night here, partly because she is waking us up crying, even when she is actually asleep. Not so happy parents here.

kiwi I know what you mean about the arm toning, carrying the car seat and a baby is better than going to the gym, particularly up and down stairs! Also c cries whilst asleep sometimes he settles with a pat, but that's quite rare- I wonder if it's a bad dream, maybe someone stealing their milk?!

Thanks for the congratulations, just got to get myself back into reading mode, and not just mumsnet.

Any bad cases of cradle cap out there? What are your solutions?