The 7th Broadly Gemini Luxury Bus - Now with highchairs!

[AGnu]

Old thread here

Bibs at the ready, things are about to get very messy!

[bringonthetrumpets]

Busy ladies and babies whilst I've been away. Just got back from the BWCAW deep dark woods 1 mile away from Canada It was blissful having no tv, internet, or mobile service for 4 days. The kids actually did fantastic during the 6 hr car ride, they loved playing games, canoeing, hiking, and looking for bears and moose (alas we saw neither). I went a little out of my mind when it rained all day during the second day.... but otherwise we are already planning on going again next yr.

M got her 2nd round of jabs today She's doing better than last time though.

[peardrop2]

Hah hah why r you ladies apologising I'm not the boss of the thread! I'm pleased you have 'real' lives to be getting on with

Bring ~ your break away sounds lovely! I am picturing a blissful campfire, DH hunting for wood to burn, kids with marshmallows on sticks, big open lakes?? And ooooooh to have a break away from phones, TVs and MN even though I could just turn my phone off for a break

[peardrop2]

I am doing self settling sleep training with baby pear at the moment and it is just hell on earth Having a good cry as I feel like a shit mum after listening to 30 minutes of constant crying

[bringonthetrumpets]

Oh no, no, no. I am not a tent kind of gal. I need to have a shower. The only roasted marshmallows were on the hob due to the rain my fear of bears visiting us at night , but you are correct on the big open lakes (10,000 of them to be exact ) gunflint lake

C-I-O is really hard. Baby pear is still so young. I hope you and baby are able to find a compromise.

[bringonthetrumpets]

Just realised the link I posted was for bearskin lake which was where we stayed, but if you zoom out you can see all the lakes around us!

[peardrop2]

Wow that's a lot of lakes bring!

I don't have much choice regarding baby pear. Since teething he's become extra clingy and won't go in his bed during the day and needs 30 minute rocking sessions at night. He's started waking at all hours this week and we just can't survive anymore!! I've only had 2.5 hours sleep tonight. I actually feel like I'm going to throw up I'm so tired

[FrussoNeedsGin]

pear have you tried an amber necklace or anklet with his teething? They were discussing them at group this morning and I'm going to try one with the boy.

bring wow. Just wow.

Anyone else tried those spoons that screw onto to pouches? So mess free when out and about. Also been given some a lot of disposable bibs. I am one amazingly lazy momma.

[kittykatsforever]

We've bought an amber teething thing, not sure if it works but it can't do any harm right?
Pear I did controlled crying with kitten as it was getting to the point I couldn't function, if I fed her one a night for abit she went onto 2, if I tried not to give her another one shed wake every 45mins from that point, it was really tough! I'd say it took a week to get to now where for the last 6 nights she's slept 6:30/7- 7/8 , not a week of crying only 2/3 days but she'd wake and moan and grunt etc for about 4 days after the crying stopped now she's not been doing that bar me having to get up 1/2 times to pull her back down in the cot but that's all I do, I actually found it easier to not go in her room at all as if I did pick her up she's just try to get my boob, so I'd leave her to cry for abit, if it escalated I'd go in and just pat her bum and say its sleepy time sweetheart without picking her up, it is hard but if you actually time it you find it's not always very long and we are both so much happier now!
That said kitten wasn't as much a cryer as just bloody noisey, she is still a very much cuddly bear in the day, much prefers sling to pram and likes to sit on your knee constantly but I don't mind day time stuff aslong as she sleeps at night, I still feed her to sleep etc in the day which will be a rod for my own back I'm sure!

[FrussoNeedsGin]

I disagree with the idea of not speaking to or making eye contact with the child/baby. My worse sleeper is the one that can't hear. I know she has other issues that affect her sleep now, but when she was little the most successful method was gradual withdrawal. CIO was horrific. and didn't work they need that comfort and reassurance.
Dd1 was pick up put down. And she would self settle (until she got night terrors as a toddler but that's expected).

I always fed to sleep for daytime naps too. Which only really lasts as long as that daytime feed. Once they self wean of that feed a quick cuddle an a bum pat is usually all that is needed.

[FrussoNeedsGin]

Oh my goodness ds just fell asleep without my nipple in his mouth!
He had lunch (which he started asking for yesterday) then I offered him milk, he had a bit, them moaned because he didn't want milk. Then he just lay there on his back all spaced out with a fully belly and fell asleep.

[peardrop2]

Frus I do softly speak to baby pear. I stay with him patting his back to my heartbeat. He knows I'm next to him.

[peardrop2]

I would love to do the pick up pick down method but it doesn't work for us sadly ;-(

[kittykatsforever]

How is it going pear? Any success?
Has it lessened?
Can't believe we have to deal with the clocks aswell next wk!! It will be so hard trying to get them to sleep an hour later without meltdown! Then I know dd1 is going to be waking at 6:15 her built in alarm clock when itl be 5:15 officially

[FrussoNeedsGin]

Oh pear I didn't mean you weren't. I was just musing out loud on something I read on a blog that was talking about HV advice, and sleeping etc. I am probably just guilty paranoid about attempting CIO with dd2.

Clocks going back might be a good thing. If it means I can go back to sleep after the boys 5.30 double feed. Because at the moment that is killing me.

Anyone know if it's normal for food to come out of their nose? Ds seems to do it if he doesn't like a taste. Should I be worried?

[peardrop2]

Frus ~ yes I know. I was just reassuring you that I wasn't a cruel mummy

Kitty ~ We've had to stop after a few days of no change because it's having a bad effect on his reflux. It seems to be making matters worse as he's working himself up so much so we've agreed to put it on hold and try again in a month when he's 6 months old. However, it's not all negative as he's gone back to waking every 3-4 hours for feeds instead of the crazy random hourly and 1/2 hourly wake ups we started having a couple of weeks ago!

[bringonthetrumpets]

Just knowing the tiny spot of child psychology that I do.... CIO is just tough on them when they're this young. At this point they don't know if you're coming back when you leave the room, just as they don't know if you've actually disappeared behind the blanket when you play peek-a-boo. It's a bit different when they reach 12 months and they have a far different mentality and understanding of the world.

I wouldn't be too worried frus. Sounds gross though

[kittykatsforever]

Ugh we tried putting them to bed anit later last night to phase in the clock change and they've woken earlier then ever dd1 right on cue, kitten at 6:10! FFs! This is what happens with her, the later you put her to bed the earlier she rises plus I'm so f ing sick of having to rescue her from the top of the cot, 3 and 4 last night, what's the point in having a child that sleeps through if you can't because they won't f ing stay still!!! Arrrrrgh
Sorry rant over but tired and had a shit night which envolved a cancelation of the Chinese I was looking forward to and 2 hours trying to catch a mouse

[peardrop2]

Kitty ~ I'll swap with you? I have a 1am feeder and 5:30am. Sounds ok until you factor in the 1.5 hour settling back to sleep session each time Tempted?

Awwwww I could never swap my koala even if he is a pickle

[kittykatsforever]

I know pear, I'm not really justified to moan, I guess it's just so frustrating that she actually sleeps but her self settling obviously involves moving around and then she hits her head or gets stuck and I know there's nothing I can do to rectify it, could I tie her to the bottom?
I was too spoilt with dd1 wasn't i

[peardrop2]

Your two spoilt with both of them Can you not buy bumpers? We have Carla bumpers on his bars which stops him from hitting his head as he also likes to shuffle to the end. The individual Carla bumpers are much safer then the long strips!

[kittykatsforever]

We have a bumper at the end to stop it hurting her but she moves so far up it bends her head to the side if you can imagine and she can't seem to move down so starts to wake up/ moan, I've never known a more fidgety child, this is all in a bag, I don't know how she's so able and fast!

[peardrop2]

Ahh I see! I don't have a solution for bendy necks :-)

[bringonthetrumpets]

Jeeze, yeah, kitty the only thing I can think of is tying a string to one of her ankles, lol! Is she rolling on her own yet? Can you put her down on her back to sleep?

[AGnu]

kitty I'd sew the bottom of the bag to the bottom of the sheet...

Too tired to talk now. I've been lurking but just insanely busy! Late nights all week 3am on Friday & 2am last night, no time to nap in the afternoons... All over now though! Got Calf's godmother & her 2 DC coming for lunch tomorrow to celebrate Calf's birthday & after that I'll have nothing to do so I'll be catching up on MN sleep then!

[kittykatsforever]

Bring she rolls both ways, I think that's part of the problem, she doesn't crawl she rolls her way up! Pulls legs under bum pushes with all her might till she's on her back but slighty up and diagonal to where she was then goes the other way in a zig zag up the cot!!
I fear if I sew the bag to the sheet she will just take it with her, it's a thick bag, do you think the novelty will wear off? I had to do it 3 times last night, should I leave her do you think?
Happy birthday to calf Agnu, your present looks amazing, well worth the hard work, I honistly think wow because I know I'd just not have it in me after all day with the two of them!