The 7th Broadly Gemini Luxury Bus - Now with highchairs!

[AGnu]

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Bibs at the ready, things are about to get very messy!

Oh my These monkeys say anything don't they!

Interesting debate going on at the moment RE breastfeeding vouchers. Just wondering what you ladies think? Do you think an incentive will get more mums breastfeeding? I feel a bit annoyed about it all. Why should other mums get money when we didn't? I have heard and read about so many ladies giving up so early this year and putting their LO on formula without even going to see a lactation consultant for FREE. Especially those in areas who apparently get 'extra free help' yet they still give up early! Kind of annoys me to hear that when they have no2 they might get money out it it just because they couldn't really be bothered with it the first time or they felt formula was right for their LO. Rant over

I should probably add... Obviously those ladies who physically can't produce milk for various reasons are excluded from my rant!

I've changed both DCs nappies today... Do I get £10? Y'know, since they're paying us to be parents now... Calf is eating his lunch now. That's worth at least £5 surely! I think I'm going to start sending these people a weekly itemised bill of all the basic things I do for the DC.

lol Agnu. Don't forget to mention bath time

I wonder what all the ladies who sadly can't even physically have kids let alone the opportunity to bf have to say about it coming out of their tax money...bet they're livid

Sorry ladies. The subject has really ruffled my feathers. I'll be quiet now and sit back down

While I don't think it's quite the right track to give families the incentive to continue bf'ing... I can see why they think it would be a good idea. Just think of how much money they are saving the NHS (and therefore tax-payers) in the long run? There are a plethora of studies done that show that bf'd babies are healthier, have less risks of chronic disease through their lifetime, and have lower chances of developing obesity disorders {not to mention the health of the mothers with reducing their risks of developing different types of cancer later in life}. That's like thousands and thousands of pounds that can be saved by just making sure these babies are being bf'd for as long as possible and aren't having to be seen in clinics for illnesses.... plus just healthier people in general! I wish our government would do something like this! Hospitals are practically shoving formula down patient's throats as they are trying to leave the hospital, there are far and few between support resources for new mothers who may be on the fence about breastfeeding and don't really know where to look, and insurance companies here rarely even cover the costs to see a lactation counselor. From their stand-point it's better to just pretend like formula doesn't cause problems in infants because they are getting so much money from the illnesses and life-long problems. Healthcare over here is outrageous and it's something that could keep me ranting for far longer than any of you would care to read.... I can't begin to say how much I miss the NHS.

Im not sure it's encouraging people to carry on bf bring, I think if you start trying without incentive you have thought about what's best for baby etc, I think it would possibly be an incentive for those not willing to try it at the beginning especially young mums but I also think it would be manipulated and they would lie to get the vouchers..... I think I would be abit pissed I didn't mind!
The best encouragement for people would be for it to be seen more frequently in magazines etc by celebs and what not, we see them smoking and running etc but no bf pics, that would hit the large number of teens to see it from an early age as "acceptable" especially lovely Kate Middleton, they have no problem showing a stray nipple or boobs so why never a bf pic?

So the incentive that you save £260 in the first 6 months isn't good enough now?
I snuggled a iddy bitty 8wk old yesterday. Who's mum could bf (despite fb her other 5 including a set of twins) lost too much weight in first week. He opened his mouth to cry, and the most glaringly obvious tongue tie. I'm so angry for her. All these incentives to Breastfed could be money better spent in training midwives and health visitors to spot tongue tie so those that want to feed can.
Rant over
Except for the question of how will they prove the baby is breast fed?

And I have a little boy that's on the move. Can't sit but he can certainly get about. He crawls to his toys and then moans because he wants to sit and play with them. But every time I prop him sitting up he launches himself into a face-plant. Poor boy.
A couple of times last night I had to turn him around as his feet were where his head should be. Completely threw me when I reached out to hungry moaning boy to slide him towards me and found a leg rather than a head.

Yay to calf he's coming along fantastically.

kitty I'm glad kitten does the kicky thing too.

agnu dd2 has a very wobbly tooth, do I get £5 when it falls out? Oh and I got all 3 dressed this morning that's £15 at least.

Frus ~ really? Your LO is crawling already? Wow that's impressive. Baby pear is still only rolling TG! Not sure I'm ready for crawling or bum shuffles yet!

I think we're month older than babypear. I think 6ths is about about average to start trying to move pear it's more of a commando/ launch/ swim/ flail legs about/ ooh I'm moving kind of crawl rather than a hands and knees crawl that they master when they're bigger. He's not going to be a bum shuffler. He has to sit to do that; which he appears to have no intention of attempting anytime soon.

The HV today said it was a lot to do with where in the family they are, and being 3rd he's in competition with siblings that move and are noisy, so he's kinda just finding his place in the pecking order. loudest and quickest wins in the frussohold, and he's certainly trying for the position of loudest

Ooh and I saw a gorgeous 3-4mth old today who was about the same weight/size as ds.

Yes pear kitten is similar to baby frus but it's not the kind of moving you'd imagine its a kind of ill throw myself around and kick my legs as hard as I can and somehow I'm sure ill move!
Dd1 didn't even roll til she was 8.5 months then she was about 11 when she crawled but had started to walk just before her first birthday so she went really slow then super fast between each development
the longer they can't move the better IMO I love the sitting playing stage! With movement comes all your thing breaking!!!!

P.s do we think lib has left us for good?

Perhaps. Perhaps she will return. I just hope she's happy and doing well!

Morning all

Morning (somewhat premier than frus )

Great night last night. Little man went down at 7.30, fussed at 8.00 and 10.00 as usual but we settled him without picking him up and then he just got up at 2.15 to feed and woke at 7. No between feed fussing! Woo hoo. That's after a few really unsettled nights however.

We've been ssshh-patting to settle at night, the last three nights. Amazingly it works like a dream! Settles right down even if totally wide-eyed awake!

I hope lib comes back to say hi but mostly hope she's just happy and more settled.

Premier? I typed perkier - at least I thought I did (damn you autocorrect)

That's great news lor I always found it easier to settle without picking up as I think once your holding them and can smell your milk your doomed!
Went to a baby group yesterday and only me out of a group if around 10 were bf, made me very sad, there they all were with there dr brown bottles like a little group, all younger then kitten aswell

Oh and non of their babies were sleeping through..... Ha ha ha cue me laughing to self

Kitty I know how you feel. I'm constantly surrounded by Dr brown bottles What is really bugging me though is the ones who only bf at home and bring a bottle to baby clubs and when they're out and about. This makes me feel super conscious about myself when I'm bf in front of them also secretly proud that I'm not that selfish or vain to have to whip the bottle out when in public

You should feel proud pear, you have given baby pear the absolute best start! I actually feel good breast feeding I front of them, I want them to see how good/ easy it is and I get to feel smug

Runt sometimes has a bottle while we're out for numerous reasons - he has one bottle a day anyway because I find he feeds better from me & I get less sore & that feed frequently coincides with the time we're often out, putting a bottle down is faster & easier than carefully de-latching & reassembling myself when I have to chase after Calf, I help run a toddler group & my role is admin so I'm constantly having to fill in the register or deal with new people's details & need to be able to have a hand free - that's a bit tricky when you're trying to breastfeed a very wriggly baby who was already more than 1/3 of your height when he was born!

Agnu ~ just so you know...I'm talking about mums who don't bf in public because they feel it's not normal or fashionable Your reason for using a bottle in a public scenario sounds sensible Obviously if girls in my NCT group only bf at home it's going to be make me feel on edge when I'm in their presence I know that is silly and as kitty says I should embrace my ability to feed in all circumstances

Kitty ~ from now on I'm going embrace public bf like you that one glass of wine has gone to my head already