November 2012 - The first fearless steps and the rest of us hoping our babies remain stationary for a bit longer

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Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1833979-November-2012-Teeth-Dont-talk-to-us-about-teeth

Yay izzy that is amazing progress for night 1. You did fab!

Well done izzy and j.

Right, I'm struggling with O. She stands up in cot at nap time, this afternoon I had to go in 27 times to lie her down. It's exhausting for her and for me but she just thinks it's a challenge. I took the cot mobile off ages ago and there is nothing in her cot. Will she get it?? I don't want to create bad habits by rocking her, she used to just lie down and went to sleep by herself. Yesterday it was 17 times before she fall asleep and only slept for an hour.

No idea lily with naps I have a vague she needs two naps during the day to be woken up no later than 5 idea. So I put her down for a nap when she gets grumpy or sleepy but not because it is naptime iyswim. Sanding up in the cot is normal though. Se is doing it because she can, and, although they are too young to be naughty as such, there is an element of getting a satisfactory reaction from mummy. They are at this age starting to test certain boundaries, and rebellion against naps is one way that they can.

Before I get flamed it's not naughtiness, but asserting themselves as individual selves. As this is the prime age for separation anxiety it is also the age where they become aware that they are not part of us, hence the attention seeking assertiveness.

It's not as awful a phase as toddlerdom but it is a certain rebalancing of power (agh you'e all going to flame me aren't you. Blame the French)

I get it pr. She is up again, fighting against her sleep. I wonder if there is a connection to the nightmare/night terror last night. I just want my napping and sleeping baby back.

That's possible. Maybe she has forgotten temporarily that sleep is a safe place. I have nown adults who have been afraid to sleep because of nightmares, let alone children. I wonder what it was about.

Wahey izzy - what a fab improvement. I hope this continues for all of you! (Also so glad on the food front, I don't think I said before? He ate more than M yesterday!)

JJ (I think?) M's bedtime also never starts before 7pm. Predominantly as this is P's shift change over (he either does 7am-7pm or 7pm-7am) and as he does bedtime when he is at home, or I do it once I come back from taking him to work on nights, it makes sense for us to do bedtime at 7.30pm.

As he has done bedtime for the last 3 months, I am a bit scared about my first night on my own tomorrow when he goes onto nights. Should I stick to his routine or start my own one?

M and A both sleeping after a semi successful walk. A would only walk the length of the street on his lead so we doubled back along the waterfront with him off his lead. He walked so well beside us off lead. He also met the gardener for the first time today. I don't know which of them got a bigger fright. Anyway, him and M are now knackered and I have managed to get plenty of housework done today. and give an insurance company a total bollocking

It is also the first day of my diet today. I am going from 3 stodgy meals and tonnes of snacks to 4 light meals and no snacks. I am particularly missing my morning coffee and biscuit habit.

We have just had the same screaming episode as last night. She wasn't awake, only fallen asleep and I had to bring her out of her room to calm down. She is now deeply asleep in her cot. Arghh, I just want to know what is going on in her head!!

Interview went well. I need to let them know my availability - when my mum can have him - so I'm thinking 2 mornings a week plus all day Saturday with the mornings being ones where she can take him to a group. That makes 16 hours a week so if vdp's job goes tits up we still have a ft worker in the family for benefits purposes. Thoughts?

Coffe and a slow eaten banana mm is my substitution.

Sorry I have not been about.

Have skimmed through. Nice to see you back kyz hope you are ok.

Well done on your progress izzy hope it just gets better.

Have lost DS1 down at Nanny's. Olive asleep, Chana Masala simmering on stove. Better do some proper jobs now I suppose.

Anyway. Tell me about snack ideas. O is really cutting back on his milk so I think I need to be better about snacks.

Great step forward izzy. Good job.

sophia I send p to the childminder with a bag full of fruit which are given as snacks. This includes a banana, a satsuma, breadsticks or oatcakes and some strawberries, blueberries and grapes or melon. At the weekends she might not have a snack. She gets at the CM because the older children do.

P has a bath at 6pm and is usually in her cot asleep at 7pm. This is her natural bedtime and any later causes problems. She has to be up at 6:30 and I usually have to wake her so she is obviously tired.

As for naps, I cuddle p in and stroke her face until she falls asleep. She goes in bag with Ewan on and is always sleepy looking by the time we sit down together. I haven't been able to put her in the cot awake for months as she just gets more and more excited. She settles to sleep alone at the CM so I feel no need to change it. I don't get many cuddles anymore so this is a nice opportunity.

Oh! And I need quiche advice! P has taken a liking to a wee toy rabbit she has had since she was born. She carried it around last night and again this morning so she took it to the CM. DH texted me to ask if the rabbit was P's because CM's daughter announced that the rabbit was hers including its name and who bought it for her. I am hoping that she will have forgotten tonight when I pick p up. What should I do if she insists the rabbit is hers?

sophia LO's snacks are half a slice of cheese on toast, or half an avocado, or half a banana, or some bread and butter, or a biscuit on occasion, or a piece of cake if I have made any, or par of an apple or other fruit depending on what we have got in. Or just a bit of bread and a lump of cheese. She is also drastically cutting down her milk intake so I am trying to persuade her that yoghurt is a good idea, but she isn't quite there yet.

Those who know about antidepressants - can missing one tablet really have a big effect or do you reckon it is placebo effect? I have had to miss a dose today because I can't get a new prescription before the current pack ends (long story) and I'm struggling ever so much.

Ha pass I've had this , no pissing about, you take the rabbit and if need be say quite firmly "erm no this rabbit is Definately Ps and if she doesn't get it back then she will scream all night, and we can't have that can we?"

Agree with donna pass. Snatch!

Thanks for sharing your snacks. I never think of avocado. Will get some tomorrow. He has just had half a mango, a bit of banana, a biscotti and no afternoon milk. This is because he has been cutting back his bed time milk.

So our new routine is;
-no afternoon milk but a snack around now.
-Tea at 5 ( today is chicken pie and jacket potato with blackberry and -apple cobbler for pud ( fruits of my foraging))
-milk at 6:30 and;
-new Northern Ireland, requirement cereal around 7 with any milk he has not downed, while we eat our tea. Which is nice because it means we all sit at the table and eat something together.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, avocado is the ideal baby food. So nutritious and they seem to love the taste. You could try a boiled egg too now too as a warming snack as the weather gets colder

I am not sure chasing however, if by my saying yes it must be the placebo effect then can I double bluff the placebo effect?

Not sure chasing - hugs for now x

Tricky one pass. I'd just point out to the childminder it is definitely P's. If she had an ounce of professionalism, she wouldn't challenge you.

I have just spied a black blur disappearing out of the patio doors with my oven glove

Oh and I picked up my new specs today - I can actually see now!!

I agree with the others pass get your partner to insist it's Ps. It's highly unlikely that she also has an identical rabbit... Unless it's a jellykitten one in which case they are very cute!

It is jelly kitten! And has not been returned

I will get DH to ask the CM about it quietly tomorrow - it was all a bit rushed tonight. P doesn't care actually but I do

Oh no that's no good pass. They are lovely. My friend owns a store and a runs a website too and sells the jelly kitten stuff...we have a navy corduroy elephant and two bunnies, one lovely red one that has same name as DD.

Pass I'd ring CM tonight and ask if she's seen the rabbit - mention that her daughter was playing with it and DH left it behind as he mistook it for CM's daughter's but P is heartbroken and struggling to sleep without it. Hopefully the wee madam will then be put into her place - taxing her Mum's clients for toys!!!!!!! She'll be on the apprentice in a few years .

Agree with what the others have said pass - cheeky cheeky!

So my mouth has been awful today. At times the pain has been worse than pain-relief-free-childbirth. Am now on steroids. And as if the mouth wasn't bad enough, in the chaos that was Fs bedtime she headbutted me and gave me a fat lip

It's great to hear you had a better night Izzy, and that was only the first of a series of better nights. I managed to get my J down at 7:40 tonight as his naps went awry due to the sling group going on for ages. When I left the room his cries were heartrending, so much so I was worried he was going to give himself a sore throat... 90 seconds later he was asleep! Hopefully I can get all my chores done and get to bed early myself as a result. The extra sleep is addictive!