November 2012 - The first fearless steps and the rest of us hoping our babies remain stationary for a bit longer

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wellie is great you still feel like that. How are things going generally?

Unfortunately chaps every labour can be different regardless of the amount of children you have had, they are not necessarily easier or worse. What changes is your mindset, your confidence in what you are doing and what you want. Luckily I ended on a high but was a roller coaster before that!

I deduced that maybe O was cold at 5 in morning, so last night I put him in a winter sleeping bag, with arms and we had a 06:45 waking again. I am off to the big smoke (Newry ) today and will be purchasing some long sleeved vests.

Glad to read such a positive post from you wellies Its lovely that you're feeling good :)

Morning!

Yay pass for walking P!

We had another sleep through... Fingers crossed this means sleep on the mend. Clearly we will screw it all with an 11 hour flight today! Off to find a wedding destination. See you in 10 days xxx

wellies that is great, am v happy for you :)

Detective Your DS1 sounds like a sensible kid I wouldn't worry too much about inappropriate friendships just yet. In the first year it is so nervewracking that we are always grateful for any friendship but change best friends about 15 million times.

pikz enjoy your trip

chasing well done! Maybe not a romcom next time? Not sure if I already mentioned it but I went to see Love Actually in Paris on my own. I loved going to the cinema on my own but was going through a particularly bad time with XP and came out surrounded by happy couples at Christmas shopping time. The lights were all on in the shops and I was aware that I should be happy but wasn't. But lone cinema is generally a nice experience.

Self indulgent rant: I fucking hate colds. They are such stupid twats.

Dropped LO at nursery. She only started crying when I handed her over. Until then she was looking round curiously. Big progress. Not sure how long she is staying today. They are going to call me if they can get her to sleep somewhere other than their arms and then give her her meal, or try to, after that. Time to get on with some housework. I meant to go pick up my glasses from the optician but it's 18km away and even driving to the other end of the village this morning was almost impossible as I was so snotty

Oh well, at least I should be better before the girls get it...

Fab news Wellie long may it continue.

We had another okay night: J was asleep by 8, he woke at midnight but only cried for 2.5 minutes, then it was after 5 before he woke for his night feed. If he keeps on like that then I shan't bother with night weaning as it looks like the one night feed is pushing back towards morning anyway. I have completely abandoned formula as he was getting so little that he can just have cow's milk if I'm not around to feed him for any reason.

Yaaaaaaaaay Wellie :o

Pikz enjoy :)

Chasing drama of the vair serious variety might be less sickening?

We had wakes at 3:15, 4:30 and up at 6:30 although he wasn't his usual chirpy self. All short and not too much crying! I also dug out the sleeping bag - only the 1 tog, he's a tummy sleeper, sleeps in a wool nappy cover/trousers and runs quite hot generally - so might attempt the 2.5 tonight. Down at 6:15 seems to work and might negate the Thursday problem as i can leave at 6:15 and still be on time :)

Fab post wellie. Sat here on a wall outside the clinic where H has his 9~12 month check at 10.30. Walked around for an hour to get him to nap, too tired to walk anymore and daren‘t go in a cafe in case it wakes him up!

wellie Great to hear you sounding so positive. I have been thinking of you. How are things with DH at the moment?

pikz Have a nice time

Back to the daily grind of work. I've been doing spreadsheets and daydreaming ahead to next year to get through it. I'm devising a budget and if we stick to it we should be able to afford to go to Turkey in May/June time and fly over DP's family to meet us so they can see C for the first time. It's really important to me so we will have to be really strict or it won't happen. DP's family don't have a lot of money, they are not poor by Iran's standards but foreign travel is beyond the reach of most normal people so unless we pay for them too then we won't see them. It's a massive burden and weight on my shoulders but has to be done.

Is it bedtime yet? Just had to sit in front of the washing machine for 15mins to calm Oscar down. He was crying real tears at his inability to crawl forwards I'm knackered.

I am playing being chasing in Starbucks with Oliver. DS1 is somewhere digging potatoes with nanny and I have come to town!

He is sharing my tomato and mozzarella panini.

I would love to go to Iran apple . Though maybe not in the current political climate. It's supposed to be such a beautiful country. I read John Simpson's books and he wrote very engagingly about it. Wish i hadn't lent those books out. Do you always meet them in Turkey?

chasing the more frustrating he finds it the quicker he will work out how to go forwards.

We have progress. LO did a 50 minute nap in her bed at nursery and ate five spoonfuls of food. Has come back home for her second lunch but tomorrow we are going to let her stay til 1. Next week we will be building up to the full day.

One of the nursery workers while I was there actually shouted at one of the babies. She was massively bollocked, right in front of me which was uncomfortable for us both, and then sent out to speak to the 'headteacher'. They explained that she has been in the toddler section the last few years and is no longer used to the calmness of the baby section. I am a little but I kind of understand it must be hard to adapt.

I have occasionally shouted at LO when really wound up (my fault not her's) and very often at DD1 the last couple of months because she can be really naughty, but a nursery worker shouting at a baby? In context it was being a little mischievous. She was feeding it (couldn't tell from behind if it was a boy or a girl) and it was apparently taking its food back out of its mouth and throwing it back at her, then laughing. Which must be really fucking irritating, and I would certainly raise my voice slightly if LO did that. But she actually shouted so loudly I jumped. Knowing full well a parent was in the room (which doesn't make it worse just makes it even more unprofessional).

Anyway it was so embarassing when she got bollocked and sent out to calm down and talk with the boss. From what I could tell she has already been warned about it.

So glad she is not LO's key worker, and that they dealt with it so quickly but it was so and awkward and I would really rather not have witnessed it tbh.

wellies that's great news.

apple that must be quite a weight on your shoulders. I expect your DP misses his family terribly.

chasing perhaps next time go to a film that won't have lots of couples there. Although to be honest I would have thought that kind have film would just have been girls. It's my DH's idea of hell being dragged to a rom com. Glad you did it anyway. Won't be so scary next time.

peaches what an awful situation. Sounds like the nursery are at least dealing with it appropriately. I like to think in that situation I wouldn't shout at a baby but I find looking after my own kids wearing enough as it is at times, which is why I'd never work with children. I know my limits.

Just back from baby sensory. Was lovely to see E interacting with babies her own age. Unfortunately I had to take DD1 with us but I hope not to every week. She was good but I had to remind her that it was Ella's time and to leave her alone on several occasions. She moves her around so much. Poor E spends ages trying to get some where and DD1 picks her up and puts her back where she started. E gets frustrated. Makes me think that's what snails must feel like when I move them in the garden.

Eliza I would never be able to work with children, especially in a large nursery or primary school. The noise gets to me just the few minutes I pop in and out. Excellent snail/ slow moving baby analogy btw made me proper laugh out loud :o

ginge Yes we always meet them in Turkey. I've never been to Iran and would love to take C on my own but it's complicated. DP can't go back there because he was only a teenager when he left and never completed the mandatory two year military service so if he went they wouldn't let him leave the country again until he has finished it. Then because he didn't do the military service they won't give him an Iranian passport and because he hasn't got a passport we can't get one for C. C can't travel there with a British passport because his dad (and surname) is Iranian so by law he is an Iranian citizen too. So the easiest thing to do is meet them in Turkey even though it costs an absolute fortune. I feel sad that C can't go and see his dad's country. Perhaps one day things will change. We live in hope. DP says we would love it and will be pleasantly surprised how beautiful it is. Completely different to a lot of people's perceptions of it. I've seen photos but that's it.

Yes I wasn't expecting to read descriptions like John Simpson wrote. Ten plus years on and I still remember the descriptions. I had a friend in London who left greece before doing his military service and was pleased when the Schengen Agreement came into force because he was able to travel back via a Schengen country and wouldn't need to use his passport and be flagged up. There used to be similar issues in France too, but they fortunately abolished it about ten or twelve years ago. We moved to London to avoid XP's military service and we weren't intending on going back to Paris until it was abolished and pardon was given to all the people who had got out of it.

Well, found H's developmental check a waste of time. He is "fine" (told to me about 100 times). Wasn't done by a HV but a nursery nurse which I was a bit [sceptical] about as, not meaning to be rude to any nursery nurses, I am trained as a teacher so I feel I probably know as much about child development anyway. Only interesting bit, apart from free books and a toothbrush, was he was weighed and is 21 pounds 7 ounces so on 75th centile corrected, a good jump up from last time he was weighed (in February) when he was 25th centile corrected. A relief after all the hassle about weight when he was born.

Really interesting to hear about Iran and the passport issues apple sad to think your dh can't go back, but lovely to hear you might all be able to meet in Turkey.

That must have been very awkward ginger.

We have contemplated changing C's surname to mine then he can travel with his British passport on an ordinary tourist visa because nobody will know he's Iranian. I don't want to change his name though. It's him. It also means when we get married I won't be able to take DP's surname. DP could travel over the Turkish border where there are few checks and it would probably be ok but it's not a risk we feel comfortable taking. Plus he would have to travel alone because if I'm stopped near the border, being British, I could be accused of being a spy! I think we'll stick with Turkey.

Sounds like the safer option. Must be hard for your DP though not to be able to go home. Maybe things will change with the new generation.

Flip, I've just poured boiling water all over my hand. Ouch.

Suds team chasing

Glad to hear nursery is getting better for LO peaches But at proper shouting at a baby for spitting out food - glad she's not your keyworker.
when i did my settling in session with DD1, I was under threat of redundancy at the time. Obviously very stressed about it all but I remember thinking it could be worse - I could have to work in a toddler room

I was Egypt a while ago and got chatting to 2 retired Australian ladies who had travelled absolutely everywhere and both said Iran was their favourite. I have wanted to go ever since.

How's the hand chasing ?

sophia did you and O enjoy your coffee date? It's actually my favourite thing to do with Oscar, he loves the atmosphere in there and loves showing off and I like being in busy places at the moment. Plus I get to eat cake.

Hand is sore Was my own fault. Was pouring the water to make Oscar's bottles and checking out my reflection in the kettle at the same time

I meant sudacream!!

We did chasing it was great to spend some time with him on his own and he was by far the best behaved baby there.

Go to sleep go to sleep go to sleep
FH is at work. I can't hack looking after lo on my own. Baby is so active/bordering on painfully so.

From his crying sounds like lo is no at least laying down.

Silence... Whimper... Has he given up and decided to go to sleep. Please please please.

Can't do another night like yesterday. I was so uncomfortable.

He started again.

He woke up at 4wouldnt settle. Then I couldn't sleep for ages.

Go to sleep! Sounds like fake crying now. Nope getting louder. He was just resting and rebuilding his energy in the silence.

Argh I can't take it b