The 6th Broadly Gemini Luxury Bus - this way ladies.

[FrussoHathor]

Welcome aboard our 6th bus ladies.

Kitty you're so fortunate with baby kitten I am very jealous that you've had 4 weeks of sleep so I have no sympathy for you in the slightest hah! But interesting that should think that the jabs may be effecting her sleep because this week has been hell for us and I wasn't sure if it was teething or jabs related...last night was definitely because I ate runner beans without thinking it would make baby pear so uncomfortable I swear I will not be eating them again after his constant waking in the night last night!

Poor baby Frus It's just as well that they're much more sturdy then they appear and it sounds like a cuddle and the magic boob fixed him :-)

Bring, I love the sound of your bargain shopping list! Yummmm!

Pelvic exercises is one thing that I've been doing right! I have the app to remind me twice a day. Should be doing it more but that is a unrealistic challenge!

I'm in two minds. Shall I go and have lunch or nap with baby pear? Hmm I have a headache so I should probably eat. Really want the nap though boooo

I do pelvic floors while brushing my teeth. Have a little green dot sticker on my mirror to remind me (trick from NCT teacher). Definitely feeling the difference between post-birth and now.

at poor little one sliding off the sofa onto the floor.

So everyone else had also entered drooly, fist in mouth stage? S much dribble!

lib I haven't posted in a while but glad to hear an update from you and that you're getting some support. Hope you're feeling better.

My boob is much better thanks. After two days I was feeling less unwell and the pain is gone now. Phew. Mastitis avoided. Just need to be stricter with DS about is latch when out and about.

Is it bad that I could totally imagine little Frus-boy slithering off the sofa, the only reason that's never happened to N is because I am incapable of putting her down, which causes its own problems!

She has barely slept today, just a little half hour postboob, so I thought I'd take her for a walk in the sling, she grumbled all the way, so I tried to feed her at a bus stop, which was crap, so in the end I took her out and carried her home, so now I'm tired and feel a failure and she's chuckling at her daddy upstairs while having her bum changed.

No wait, now she's crying again.

Yesterday was so lovely as well!

Yikes Frus that totally sounds like a prolapse. I would head in to see a doc who can hopefully refer you to a pelvic floor specialist (do they have them over there??). Kegels are great, but you have to remember to do a few squats a day as well. The kegels will tighten the muscles but will just leave them in that tightened position so the proper squatting position will help to stretch the muscles back out to keep the pelvic floor strong. An over-tight pelvic floor can be just as damaging as a weak one.

Kitty M woke up 2-3x per night for the first 3 days after her jabs and now she's back to sleeping through the night. It could be jab-related or growth spurt-related. I don't think water would help her out much, hopefully it's just a tiny phase and she will be back to her lovely 12 hr stretches!

Not a bad mum for a baby falling off the couch, but still so depressing! . Both of the boys are victims of falling off of our bed oops. Hoping that M does not fallow suit and doesn't do dangerous boy things.

Sorry you've had a grumbly-baby day today Lib Feels like there's nothing you can do when they are in that kind of a mood, which just puts a damper on everything!

Off to my crazy-dog-show-weirdo mum's house for the day.

So when's my ds going to start sleeping through the night? I get a 4/5 hour stretch at the start and then anywhere between 2 and 3 hour stints after that. Depending on the time he goes down, which still varies, that can still mean I'm up twice during the night.

Does he go straight back to sleep after a feed lor? What is his feeding like in the day? Do you feed him just in demand or wake him for food every 3/4 hrs? Does he sleep with you or in a Moses basket/cot? How old is he now?

Thanks bring, I'm grateful you've said that, gives me hope it might be jab related although the first ones had no effect, she has been much more grumbly though aswel, moaning in her sleep now when she usually makes not a peep, I can deal with a few days just hope it's not a food thing as I don't think she's ready yet
Pear, I know I'm lucky although did follow the routine strictly as I know from last time how important it is to get sleep but remember when you get a choice of having a lovely nap with baby pear I'm probably cleaning poo of the carpet this mornings escapade no naps for this mama lol
He will get there!
On another note, how on earth do green beans effect him how frustrating for you
Lib, sorry you've had a hard day, lack of naps does a grumbly baby make, we've been busy the last 2 days and dd2 not slept well because of it and I think that's had a knock on effect, have you seen those sleep hammocks, maybe she would like one of those? So many people have been raving about them

He does largely go straight back to sleep. At least, he doesn't fully wake up when looking for food, but mooches and whimpers and sucks his fists. He can be quite unsettled after his feed, or after his second feed. He doesn't sleep soundly later in the night but mooches and messes in his sleep. I'm sure it's probably wind but can't seem to do anything about it as he won't burp if he's asleep or half-asleep.

His feeding is good during the day. Feeds well after every nap and often a bit more before naps. He tends to do a really long, striping feed in early evening and then guzzles a lot after his bath too, so two big evening feeds before bed. I do feed him on demand all day, but he'd rarely go as long as 3/4 hours between feeds. Maybe 3 but never 4. He sleeps in a small, rocking crib beside our bed and always has. He's 11 + 5 weeks.

Don't ask me lore I've had 2.3yrs and 5+ years. which equates to sleeping through about 4-5 weeks in the past 7.9years

However ds has just gone down for the night so I'm joining him. But only because my peripheral has gone in one eye and it was flickering when I was bathing ds. Ibuprofen taken. Lets see if I can stop MNing and go to sleep before I get a migraine.

Have you tried infacol for his wind lor? Dd is quite similar, burbs come up easier in the day when wide awake but I sometimes struggle before she goes to sleep when she's konked out, sounds like he's getting enough milk, do you put him upstairs at the start of the evening while you are down? Is that when he sleeps better? Could be your both keeping each other awake? Does he sleep well on his back? Have you ever tried him on his tummy or is that not something you'd be happy with ( totally understand but sometimes it helps for wind) if he's having longer naps in the day but only going 2 hrs at night perhaps try and make sure he doesn't have longer then 2hr stints in the day for the time being

The other thing is if he is just mooching and sucking his fist leave him abit longer to see if he will just go back to sleep, the temptation when they are right next to you is to pick them up quickly so you don't disturb dh or try and get it done quick so you can go back to sleep but he may have just has a suck of his fist and drifted back off?

We haven't tried Infacol but were considering it.

We put him down in his crib in the bedroom when he goes down after his bath - not upstairs as it's a 2 bed flat in Central London, but it is dark and he shouldn't be disturbed by the tv or anything. He doesn't have long naps in the day, usually 45 mins to an hour. He'll only have a nap as LNG as two hours if he's missed a nap for some reason. He does sleep well on his back and we've never tried his tummy, but I don't think I'd be keen.

I do also try and leave him sucking his fists and things until his voice starts taking on a higher pitched, more insistent tone, on the verge of crying but not quite there. I did have a habit of picking him up but have realised he doesn't always need to get up so will leave him, or if he seems windy, will pick him up and rub his tummy for a while but not feed him, but I'll only do that if he's been mooching for a while.

Maybe we'll give in and try the Infacol at night.

They do start growing out of windy issues around three months don't they?

Lor I wouldn't try him on his tummy unless you're desperate. Only saying this from experience because tummy sleepers need rocking to sleep. It's rare to find a tummy sleeper baby who you can just plonk down and leave. Each rocking session takes me 15-30 minutes and sometimes an hour so I really wouldn't recommend this. When I'm desperate to burp I'll put him over my shoulder, sit down on the edge of the bed and stand up or I'll do the same but walk him up and down the stairs. The judder movement will normally get a burp out when he's sleeping.

Kitty ~ I am at least thankful for the nights I'm only waking once. I've heard from a friend that their sleeping pattern completely changes at 4 months. Will be interesting to see how this effects everyone. Oh and I'd love to say I get to nap when he does but he only naps at lunchtime when I'm starving so it is extremely rare that I get to nap. Yesterday is a prime example...by the time I'd had a quick sandwich and put my head on the pillow he started to stir. He's never been a daytime napper but has always fed between 2-3 hours. He has recently started to sleep between 7:30-8:30 so I can eat dinner in peace but then he wont go back to sleep until 11:30 no matter how much I rock and stay with him. Green beans create gas. What I eat effects him. I didn't realise green beans was on my no no list until I asked Dr google this week.

No they grow out of windy issues when you start weaning. Baby pear is over 3 months and has been extremely windy this week

Kitty ~ is baby kitten teething yet?

I guess if that wind pipe grew at 3 months (or whatever the thing is called that aids digestion) then your baby would be better by 3 months but the specialists have all told me it will happen for us at 4 months if I start weaning early

Possibly lore I don't wind ds at night unless he's really moaning about it. He does fart a lot at night. And is better at bring up his wind in the day.
We have a long stretch at the start of the night, wich works for us as I can then get dd re-settled.

The countdown to school has begun in earnest. I get to nap when ds does on Wednesday, in actually pretty excited about it.

Par-tay time frus! School starts for us tomorrow YIPEE!!!!!

M will go to sleep for the night pretty much on her own. We only use the rocking chair for her beditme feed and by the time she's on the 2nd boob she's starting to fall asleep and I'll put her down when she's still a tiny bit awake and she'll settle herself. All of these theories on what works or what doesn't just anecdotal....we're all just gotta go with the flow of our babies. M sleeps fantastically right now, but with past experience of the boys, it probably won't last forever and she'll go through phases of being a PITA not sleeping.

Hope your migraine is gone Frus!

Ladies I think I'm going to quietly slip away from this thread. It's all just too depressing to hear how well everyone's babies sleep. It's bad enough to repeatedly hear it in real life

Mine doesn't pear you're not alone. ((Hugs))

It seems to be at bay at the moment bring but I know it's stress related. So once my stress has gone the migrane will go. Shame the cause of my stress isn't a quick fix.

Pear ((hugs)) I dont think its common for babies to sleep really well and I think it's only 50/50 on this thread, lor,lib and frus dont have the sleepers me, bring and Agnu do, so don't feel like its just you, I put kitten on her tummy and she does just go to sleep I think if a baby likes rocking it doesn't matter what way you put them but personally I don't like having to put kitten on her tummy and if she slept at all on her back I wouldn't, I never did dd1 and she always slept well on her back so unless you were desperate I'd leave it as you are aswell. Does sound like he's sleeping better when your not in the room though?
Wind issues like colic do seen to resolve at around 3 months, I think as they have better control sitting etc it does seem to make it easier on them,

pear both my friends with reflux babies had to wein early, it did help, don't feel bad if that's what's better for him, remember it would be to ease his discomfort not for your benifit, don't feel bad, I've found babies sleeping habits seem to coincide with hunger/ feeding so that 4 months mark you mentioned pear is usually when people choose to do it,( disclaimer- people I know anyway)

Oh and lucky you frus and bring, break out the and celebrate some freedom

Oh and I'm not sure about teething pear, she's very dribbly ATM. I think she may have a little cold ( jab related?) she's had a runny nose all day

Not full freedom yet. Got another day with miss chatterbox