November 2012 - Crawling? Already? Uh-oh!

[StuntNun]

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1779903-November-2012-The-weaning-adventure-continues

Well.

Guess what?

He damn well reacted.

Didn't manage to get a great pic, as he was moving too much. But the one I've got I will put on fb now. The site went red, and his back was blotchy where the milk escaped from the spoon!.

I didn't tell DP I had done it. I asked him to look at O's back and tell me what he saw. He said it's gone red and blotchy.

So now I know it isn't my imagination.

Does this mean O is much more likely to have a (must be mild??) allergy rather than intolerance?

Not that it makes any difference, it just means I know I'm not crazy. Another confirmation. And I'll never tell any Paeds I did it.

Pidj There are a few HCP's in here me included!! we are nice to good ones haha!! Just not the bullshitters!

Pic up. :)

How long should you leave it to react?

Hallllooooooo stacks

You have come to the right place re allergies and intolerances.

My LO - DD known as P - is CMPI and allergic to egg. I pretested with egg my rubbing some cooked egg white and cooked yolk onto the underside of her arm. It came up a bit red but nothing dramatic. When I tried her with well cooked scrambled egg she came up in hives round her mouth.

My wee one is also on domperidone (2.5ml x 4 daily) but she gets nothing like the full dose. She was never a vommer so I give her just 2.5ml a day just to keep her moving as she has a tendency towards constipation. She is FF with nutramigen. She was re-referred to paed due to dropping two centiles - she is now on omeprazole.

As I FF I am certainly no expert on BF but I suspect the advice you have been given re building tolerance is big hairy dog's bollocks. P has a dietician (it is my authority's policy to refer to a dietician where long-term prescription formula use is required). She has advised me to avoid all egg products and all cow's milk products. She suggested waiting until P is 1 year old AND happily weaned and confident with her eating before challenging her with cow's milk.

15 mins stacs.

det allergy I would reckon. Intolerance is a gut response only.

Stacks I'm a bit at you being told to keep giving dairy despite him having an intolerance. I've been v lucky seeing a dietician for both me and Jonas and a gastro paed and the NHS view (once you get past the reflux denying brick wall obstacle that is most GPs) is very much eliminate trigger foods entirely from your diet and the baby's.

You risk turning an intolerance into a full blown allergy, stomach cramps, causing acid burn damage to their oesophagus (risking oral aversion / solids refusal) and just plain old pain - the view that if they keep having it they'll get over it is wrong. We've been told (we're trying to reintroduce some soy) that any reaction (even just plain sleeplessness) is a sign to stop giving them that food and to try again another time. We've established he can handle a wee bit of soy (think sushi dunking) but not a Chinese takeaway's worth and at the mo' have decided to try once a fortnight as soy leaves their system within 2 days - unlike dairy which can take 6 weeks.

My sister has found some fascinating studies about the genetic causes of some reflux / food intolerances. It's linked to the mother's body (if she's a carrier of the gene) struggling to uptake folic acid and leads to classic midline birth defects such as sacral dimples (which Jonas had), cleft chins (he has one), stork marks between the eyebrows (tick, though his flares up only when I eat a problem food), and is heavily linked with reflux and CMPI. Sadly it's also associated with colon cancer as an adult (though this could be linked to the damage untreated intolerances cause to the gut wall rather than the gene) . I'll post links to the studies when she emails them to me. It's also associated with poor uptake of some minerals ie zinc and excessive uptake of others such as copper.

F had a sacral dimple too!

Thanks everyone.

Hmm, that's interesting yellow. There's lots of allergies in my family, and some in DHs, I'm asthmatic as are all of my siblings and my mum, there's also hay fever aplenty and my brother is allergic to nuts. Lots of family members take omeprazole long term too.
I think I have a slight dairy intolerance, though I've always eaten it. Just can't have milk on its own, or much chocolate or I feel really sick. If I have it cooked or with a main meal I'm ok though. I also had bowel cancer a few years ago...

I guess I should go back to cutting out dairy at least, if not eggs too. That seriously limits diet choices doesn't it? Luckily I really like the coconut milk I've been using for my cereal, can't bring myself to put it in tea though so not had a cup in ages. My HV said DS shouldn't be given any dairy replacement except soya - coconut milk, goats milk etc is all 'bad', is that right?

DS has a sacral dimple too.

Hi Stacks - you are more than welcome here, we are a friendly bunch and the support you will get here is second to none. We also have some pretty good allergy/intolerance experts here too. Sadly, the November batch of babies seem to have suffered quite badly in that respect. Luckily, my little O seems to have very little in the way of allergies etc, for which I count my blessings often.

So, I have been reunited with my boy. He seemed to have a good time and greeted me with a huge smile and excited leg kicking . I went to Ikea and thought of you all as I was in the food hall. Priced up some furniture for when I eventually find a place of my own. Then went to Toys r Us where Dad bought O a walker and his first toothbrush . Then out for lunch and back home to sort out some paperwork and file my nails.

I hated being away from him all day but we both survived. Can't wait to spend all day with him tomorrow to feel properly connected with him again. Told XP that until I have sought advice, I don't want any of his siblings seeing O - just me and his mum. He said he was fine with it but I think he is just trying to keep the peace at the moment as he knows I could fucking ruin him make his life very difficult if I wanted to.

And I might have a possible chance at getting a nice flat with a nice landlord. Told him about being on HB and he didn't say no, just asked if I had pets, when would I want to move in etc. But I am not getting my hopes up and it will absolutely fall through so I am not even allowing myself to think about it

Sounds fabulous chasing!

You mean my nice day yes pass? Not the possibility of a nice new flat. Because I wouldn't tempt fate by talking about it. Nope. Not at all. Won't share the property porn on fb. Nope.

Fingers crossed for you Chasing.

Stacks no soy milk for wee boys (its linked to CMPI) but also because it contains plant oestrogens which can disrupt normal hormonal development in boys. Try oatley its safe, you can get an enriched high calcium version, and as made from oats shouldn't trigger his intolerances.

That is what I meant chasing yes yes yes yes.

YW what do you use in place of cheese? If anything?

Chasing sounds like a wonderful...day Does sound nice though, I love a trip to Ikea.

Will keep everything crossed for you know, stuff

Pass haven't found a fake cheese that isn't overpriced sweaty sock flavoured wax. Am waiting for the real thing :-)

Stacks Oatly is what I use here :).

Chasing I'm saying nuffink .

I dare not let my O have a baby walker. Could you IMAGINE?! I can't even let myself think about it!

O has been a tad whingy today. Nothing like yesterday. Thank fuck. He also eat - although we kept it very simple. Banana for breakfast, fruit pot for lunch, veg and chicken for tea. He had a full bedtime feed too. Phew.

I'm glad I dug the camera out, I think I have been able to capture the real O today!!

Think we will attempt swimming tomorrow. :) Or something. I need to leave this house! I really want to see Despicable Me 2! But I don't think I dare take O with us!

Pass it came out straight away for O, with in a minute. It faded after about 10-15 (can't be 100% sure).

What YW said. It's utterly disgusting. O agrees. He doesn't turn his nose up at much! But cauli cheesley - got screeched at indignantly!

I read O Burglar Bill this evening. DP picked it out when I said go and get a book for O. Okay, so what really happened was DP tried to keep O still while I read it. O was fixated on the dog. But I haven't read it since DS1 was little. DP has never heard it. I think DP really enjoyed it!!

O is better with muuuuuuuuch shorter stories!!

awesome chasing, fingers and toes crossed

Welcome stacks

All of you coping with allergies and food issues are so amazing. Makes me feel so bloody lucky that DS has none.

Found a pic of me at the same age DD is now. Asked her. who the little girl in the pic was. She thought it was her! DS had all meals finger food today. He enjoyed nomming a bit of bagel and omelette, and really loved roast pork with parsnips and trees broccoli. Have pretty much tried him on everything now I think, he doesn't always eat a lot but he seems happy, he's down to about 20-24oz formula per day by his choice, is this enough?

Madam that is what O has too :) He has 4 bottles of 8oz made up, and takes around 6oz on average from each. Occasionally he needs a 5th making up but that is when he has taken less than 6oz in his feeds.

Good to know det, thanks. He's only just dropped from 5 offerings to 4, they are 8oz too. Pre-weaning, he had 6 x 8oz and drained every single one. Him leaving milk seems odd, but all part of the process.

Does anyone else keep trying to 'like' posts?

I read madame's post about DD thinking the pic was her and thought "aw! How nice. Like!" And damned need reported her instead!

Oh and FFS please will someone remind me to stop putting an 'e' on the end of madam

Fanks for cheese facts. Lots of recipes I have looked at suggest cheese. I will just leave it out.

Yes, same here with just about dropping the 5th bottle.

He would probably drop to 3 in the day and still have a night one (well before 5am one!) if I let him - but I try not too! He doesn't cry for a bottle any more really. I just give him them roughly 4 hourly when awake to make sure he doesn't space it so much that he only gets 3, and then wakes for the extra!

O had the same pre-weaning, but didn't always take all 8, in fact, he varied a hell of a lot day to day 20-34oz wasn't unusual!