The 5th Gemini luxury bus - the one with babies!

[FrustratedSycamoresRocks]

As we have all our gorgeous babies now, welcome aboad the 5th Gemini bus.

Drinks and previously banned foods supplied in bulk, Car seats installed, slings and prams at the ready, as we head into parenthood, and all the excitement, and sleepless nights our little ones will bring along the way.

Yeah baby agnu definately has it. It was really quick to do agnu will post detail when in home and have more charge on phone.

Did they show you the stretching exercises to stop it reattaching? just getting him to stick his tongue out and taking the nipple further back by putting a finger at the back of his palet so he gets used to the feel.

How is feeding going now?
Because he's older, it's not an instant fix, he needs to be retrained to take the breast rather than the nipple. but wow he has a big mouth. Compared to before.

What was the appointment like? informal, I already knew the counsellor who it was with. She asked about feeding habits and latch, whether it hurt me. Then she looked at his latch, in his mouth, and had a feel in his mouth. Se agreed that he did have a thick tight sub mucosal tie. . Then a after taking about the cut, becaus wit was thick it might take a few snips, and that there was no guarantee it would work, and would bleed and hurt ds.

How did he cope? didn't cry anymore than with his injections. Bled a little. But he was smiling again before we left the room.

Is there much swelling? I've not noticed any, but my tongue took 6 hours to swell up after that was pierced

Does he seem upset by it now? he's a bit of a grumble bum ATM anyway. But apart from the odd squeal not really any different to after his jabs.

Did you have to watch? I held him whilst she did it, she did offer to get a mw to hold him. But I'm uses to having to pin dd down for things.

I really don't like the idea of being in the room when they do it the snip itself really did only take second after she'd got everything ready. And they like them to go on the breast straight after snipping as the sucking helps stem the bleeding. Ds wasn't at all interested in sucking, but he didn't bleed much.

Yeay for getting it sorted frus, I hope he sails through with no further problems and that it makes a difference for him being able to feed more sucsessfully, it sounds like it went really well!
Yeay for sleeping babies ( hopefully lor as bring said you will get a few days of sleepyness now) sounds like m is meg tying a good pattern being and fx baby pears night was the start of things to come, that's exactly what kittens done the last 2 nights, 8-5 then a 15 min feed back to sleep til 8 so just hoping to stretch it out although she's not slept at all today really 2 30 mins all day she's fast asleep now though! prays she stays that way
Would beer make her gassey then?
I may have had one every night for the past few days?
Any chance of an earlier app Agnu?
Bring hope you've avoided the headache today, does sound hormonal and perhaps tiredness aswell? Tiredness can make me feel ill

Oh dear. I may have spoken too soon. Ds has been crying at the breast this feed. But have given him some calpol and hopefully that will kick in soon. He's currently gently suckling with his eyes closed. So it may just be he wants to comfort feed and then sleep.

kitty it might make them gassy, but I know I makes them sleepy. Does her sleeping tie in with your beer?
A nice glass of red wine makes them very sleepy.

Thanks kitty. So far, so good. Might try to squeeze in a kip whilst the boys watch a movie. I had a small nap yesterday and never developed a headache, so we'll try it again today (although as I'm typing this, I'm start to feel a dull thudding Crap.)

Excellent, excellent news frus. Sending speedy recovery vibes to you both and hoping for a quick learning curve on the new latching technique for the youngster. Hopefully you can manage until next week agnu. Are you expressing milk as well as feeding to keep the supply up?

M has been doing stretches from 10-6 or 11-7. It feels absolutely amazing to be getting a good solid stretch of sleep. Fully preparing myself for it to be a phase and to not take it for granted, as it's truly a special treat from someone who's only 6.5 wks old!

That's great from such a small tot bring, what a good baby, kitten is 10wks now so alot older really I think they sometimes regress abit but on the while keep a similar pattern
Frus not sure the beer is linked to sleep but if it is I'm not giving it up I tend to have my beer after she's in bed and don't feed her again til 5 so it should be long out of my system no?
How's he doing now? X

You've got it timed just right aswell bring as 10-6 is pretty much what I sleep so would make it easier, with kitten I get the evening I guess but have to wake up in what I see as the night!

7-5!!!

Kitty that's amazing! What's your secret???

I got 9:30 - 2:30 and then 3-6

12.30 - 4.00
hey I'm happy enough with that.
He was asleep in his cot until 12.00 and I felt very lonely and sad without him snuffling into to me. not like I could t touch him by sticking my arm out so he wasn't far away

I've just had to wake her now aswell! She went straight back to sleep, dh is jeleous now as he opted for dd1 and she woke at 6:30 he he I did have that 5 feed though!
I havnt done anything different pear it's just age and routine I think, it was longer last night because she didn't have wind etc and was tired so we started getting ready at 6 and when I put her down at 7 she went straight to sleep, as shed woken at 5 the 2 nights before its obviously what her body is used to, when dh is back at work Monday I'm going to try to stretch that last hour to 6 and that to me is officially sleeping through dh said she had allready with 10hrs as dd1 will be up around then anyway I don't feel like I'm missing out on these lovely extra few hours as I wouldn't have them anyway
Frus I never miss her in the night lol
I do get lovely smiles when I go to wake her though

How is his mouth today frus?

9-4 here. Twas 10-7 the night before! That would've been lovely if I hadn't been awake thinking I was going to be sick at any moment! No idea what that was about!

Ow, ow, OW! 6 days. It's only 6 more days... Unless of course they decide it's not causing a problem! I'm torn at the moment. On the one hand I want to exclusively breastfeed him so that I'll be horribly bruised, his poos will be green & his weight gain is tailing off as evidence of the problem. Then again, I want him to be healthy & me not to hurt! I don't want them to be able to use his good weight gain & my minimal bruising as a reason not to do it.

Yes, I'm expressing to keep up the supply but I'm also making myself breastfeed so he doesn't get used to only being bottlefed. Maybe it would be better to bottlefeed at the moment so he breaks his breastfeeding habits before having to relearn how to do it properly! I have no idea what's best to do! I'm beginning to think I should stop feeding him from the left for a while. It's worse than the right & I'm struggling to express even a tiny amount due to the damage he's caused. No idea where I'll find time for all this expressing though! At the moment I'm giving him his 7/8am feed from 1 side & expressing 1.5oz from the other & then expressing just before bed so we end up putting about 5oz in the freezer every day!

I had to give him some calpol last night. But he seems happy enough. And I definately opening his mouth wider to latch on. Unfortunately it is a work in progress and I have pammy boobs as a result of taking him off whenever he gets sloppy.

Agnu if it was me I'd keep trying to stick with giving him the boob and maybe 1/2 bottles aday as I'd be worried he'd loose interest and for the sake of 6 days it would be such a shame, however I would ring them and request if they have any cancellations to let you know as your desperate and in pain!
Don't worry about having no bruises or whatever to show them, they don't need that to take it seriously, just your testimony and the fact your at the point of giving up for his health says it all!

Remember baby frus wasn't loosing weight etc and they still saw the problem

agnu I'm not in pain like you, and have great weight gain, and they did baby frus. There is no way that that won't do baby Agnu. You don't need to be in complete agony for them to see its a problem.

If you feel the roof of baby As mouth with your clean finger you can feel on his palet where your nipple has been to feed. (It will feel vaguey nipple shaped) What we have to do with baby f (to try and break his bad habit) is to put a clean finger on the bit just behind (where the nipple hasn't been but should be) and get him used to knowing its okay to have something there.

You could start working on that, so that when he does get snipped, it should be easier for him to accept a bigger mouthful of boob.

All this talk of tongue ties really makes me wonder if N doesn't have a subtle one. I think however that the cranial osteopathy has really helped. She's fed noticeably better - less fussing, less clamping and she's been happier all round too.

I'm going to take her for another appointment next week as I think, if nothing else, it's helped me feel less hopeless. I hadn't thought of it as a treat for her Lor, I'm glad people think it could be!

Kitty. We have a bednest which is a sidecar crib and lovely and cosy however our best nights sleep are when I kick DH out and I co sleep with her. I don't worry about squashing her as something weird in my brain means I always know where she is, and quite often she helps herself to boob in the night which is just lovely for both of us. We've also coslept all 3 of us which is also nice but I don't sleep as well as I get annoyed with DH breathing when I'm trying to get back to sleep.

I'm really jealous of all of yours long sleeps. I thought we were doing ok and I tell everyone that EBF babies don't sleep through, but yours do. I don't know how to encourage N to not wake up!

lib I like to think sleeping through is entirely down to genetics.

Yy, it's genetics - DH & DBIL were both sleeping through from 5 weeks! DS1 was 8 weeks so hopefully we've just got another week or 2 before DS2 is! Or perhaps it's simply that my kids don't get enough hindmilk due to their tongue ties so they don't have the energy to stay awake...! Or maybe they do wake up but I don't!

Thanks for the support & encouragement. It's so frustrating when you know there's a problem but are powerless to resolve it until the-powers-that-be say you can! Urgh. He's calling for food & making me let-down again. It's really painful because of the damage he's done to me! I just want us to be normal!

I'm increasingly aware of how the pain is affecting our bonding so I tried to have a nice cuddle with him on the sofa earlier. Of course that was the exact moment that DH decided to bring DS1 down from his nap & release him into the room & leave us to it! Poor DS2 was rudely woken by DS1 shrieking, throwing things & getting told off before being sat in his highchair & moaning his awful monotoned hum because he was bored & DH wasn't interacting with him while making dinner. DS2 hasn't quite settled since & was sleeping so peacefully before! Sometimes I worry that I'm not bonding with either of them the way I should but I think I'm just not a mushy sort of person but feel like I 'should' be staring at them adoringly 24-7!

Agnu when you have two under two you just don't have the time to gaze at them adoringly! Honestly!
Me and dh take a few minutes most nights when they are both asleep in bed to go in and look at them and say how much we love them and when I give dd2 her last feed I always do it in a quiet darkish room and just take those 15/20 mins to look at her and apreciate her little face and hands etc but the rest of the day is a manic blur

I agree. Its manic when theyre both so little. I take ds on the dogs walks with me, and we look into each others eyes between lobbing the ball for the dog.

I absolutely love the morning feeds when she wakes up and is all happy and smily and takes little breaks from suckling to gaze up. Pure magic.

Visited my Db yesterday (who lives in the middle-of-nowhere WI and was a 2hr drive to get there). M was great on the way up there but we had to stop 4 (!!!) times on the way home to console her and nurse her. It took us 3 hrs to get back home. M had projectile vomited all over herself and her carseat so pulled into our drive with a mostly naked, screaming baby. Oy, the stress of hearing her screams. At least the visit was good....

bring that sounds like a trip you won't be repeating in a while.
I love the mid-feed gazing. All the better when I get grins for telling ds to drink his milk.
Ds is always grumpy with me in the morning, I'm sure he thinks I'm trying to get him to go back to sleep.

Ds is definately going longer between feeds now, and I'm often to be found leaking like a tap that's been left on