March 2013 - gurgles, giggles and going on holiday (for some of us at least!)

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Hey worse! Lovely to here from you and i did miss you and your messages that make me laugh! Agree holidays are the best. any we are thinking of giving centre parcs a go too.

We are on day 6 of the shits. I don't like to moan and feel one coming on so Please feel free to ignore while I rant. I know babies have nigges but we just seem to be constantly ill!! I also know some people really suffer with huge issues and we are having lots of little trials but Baby connect tells me we are on an average of 8 poos a day for the vast 6 days having been on an average of one poo every three days! Doc doing a poo sample on Monday. Not much i can do other than keep feeding her! My decision on bf is now made. It's made no bloody difference to dd on illness contracted or duration (cold at 2 weeks giving way to thrush at 4 weeks just finishing and we have bronciliotiuos at 11 weeks and when that goes viral gastroenteritis at 13 weeks and still going) so as soon as we can get rid of this poo saga we are bottles all the way. I have given it more than a fair go ( i did it exclusively for 12 weeks of her life and with a bottle occasionally for day when she would take it) and with all this sickness feeding every2 to 3 hours is killing me and oh or others can't share the pain when she won't have one consistently. If we lived 500 years ago the whole village would nurse her. We don't, so onto the bottle she goes ( and no I'm not pumping in the 20 mins she isn't feeding). Fed up does not go far enough. Ok rant over... Trying to have some perspective but refuse to be miserable anymore.

Breast may be best for some but it sent working here.

I am sorry for the rant. I know the rest of you are over all that and happy with your choices. Time for me to move on. While I type mini eig is doing 6th poo of the day, joy.

Happy thoughts, Eig - you'll be able to put your feet up with a well deserved glass of wine very soon! And do feel free to moan, it's what we're here for.

Eig well done. You've put up with a lot of shit (literally) and it's time to move on. I think it's a good decision, I don't know how you've kept bf up for so long

Stormy what are you doing posting on here? GET TO BED!

Hey Eig, don't sweat it. I've just done the full transition, and you know what... the tiddler is as happy as larry and to be honest far more comfortable gut wise. Her nappies may be full on disgusting these days, but at least they arrive with some regularity rather than every 7-10 days. Much better for everyone that way.

Oh exciting.... we're going out now. To a second hand furniture place. Let it never be said I don't have an exciting life

Thanks ladies! Much appreciated. stormy, i have a bottle of champayne in rhe fridge and i am going to drink it all once fully transitioned!! Time to stop stressing and start enjoying little one!

Eig you've done brilliantly. You've made a decision so now you can get on with living! I still can't make one either way so doing both, bit pointless really. Respect to anyone who can manage 12 weeks ebf

Hate to butt in but i'm on week 17 of ebf . I found it hard going during the growth spurts and when she refused to take a bottle of ebm but we're back on track now and i'll hopefully keep going until DD's well onto solids

But repect to anyone who gives it a good go - if it doesn't work for you, you have to change

plonko I would love to go to bed, but I can't - got to feed those cats at 11pm! Which should be entertaining as one of them's on medicated food so they have to be fed in different rooms, the door to one of which jams and traps people in the kitchen for all eternity, and they're both going to be lurking by the front door waiting to make a break for it when I go in. Poor little buggers, one of them has cat AIDS so they're not allowed out.

Well, the mother in law has been and gone for another month. The foundations of DD's mountain of plastic tat have been laid. We may have to invest in a toy box.

worse the nappies are something else, aren't they? I swear there was sweetcorn in one here the other day. And it's been two days since the last one so we're expecting some sort of super-eruption tonight. Fun times.

That's an hour and a half til feeding time, I think that's feet up time Stormy. Poor cats though, dps aunties cat had AIDS and needed a lot of care. Give em a snuggle from me.

Oh yes formula nappies. They were a surprise, and will only become worse with weaning. On the other hand a bit more predictable.

We've had a rather interesting day on the bottle front today. Tiddler has recently decided that he doesn't like big bottles anymore and is giving up halfway through in order to sleep. Sometimes he carries on in his sleep so one feed can take a whole friggin hour, and sometimes he just chokes. On days like this I'd rather dp was at work, he just gets so stressed by it and gets in my way. He's also prevented DS napping alllllll day due to over-parenting.

A girl I went to school with took her 8 week old for his first round of jabs last week. She told the dr her baby seemed a bit under the weather but jabs were administered anyway. They've spent the past 5 days in hospital with what appears to be a dose of baby pneumonia :( so sad for them. These events certainly bring everything sharply into focus.

Spent four hours playing Warcraft then fed 'em and went to bed, plonko. Wasn't a bad evening. Still had trouble getting to sleep, but at least Fartypants had a better night. Two semi-wakes and put herself back to sleep before I went to bed. Woke around 2.30 for milk, which I slept right through, amazingly - the man must've been on the ball and got up there at the first squeak. Which meant when she woke at 4.15 I had no idea she wasn't due a feed, and so was a bit surprised when she only drank two ounces. The amount she was thrashing about, I think her bowels had woken her. Up for the day at 6.30 with an exploding bottom. She is now watching cartoons while I pray she'll manage a decent nap in a bit.

Anyone else a bit alarmed by the horrifically sexist adverts on kids' TV?

Ugh I'm very annoyed. Yet another weekend where we stay in the house and do sod all because dp owns a ps3 and its raining. Why would I want to go out, to converse with actual adults? Why isn't my baby enough?

Grrrr!

Also I just read this article about breast feeding interesting as it is, the comments make me want to put my fist through a wall. Ladies, would i be right in suggesting that comments such as this are why many of us turned to formula in the first place?

I'm quite amused by the suggestion they're not promoting breastfeeding enough - did anyone here manage to miss the message that formula is powdered poison and babies will spontaneously combust if they're not plugged into a boob at all times? And I don't know why they're saying young mothers will be seeing ads for formula - they're not allowed to advertise first milk (and do older mothers not have televisions, or what?). Also, I'm voting we don't let miniEig see that article, because I don't know what necrotising enterocolitis is, but it doesn't sound fun and we don't want to give her ideas.

Some pretty ignorant comments eh Stormy? Maybe they should focus on people who've actually had babies a d tried to breastfeed! I love the idea that breast feeding is natural therefore easy and instinctive. Just like childbirth then

clearly I had bleeding nipples because I saw one too many glamorous cow and gate ads.

One of the biggest problems and would be quite easy to fix is that MWs/HV have virtually no bf training and if they do its not always up to date. I've had so much crap advice and corrected loads.
One of the MWs post birth this time brought a student to meet me as I was tandem feeding and the MW hadn't seen that for years. Student then asked loads of basic questions like 'how much milk are they taking?' ...

Hmmm. Very frustrating for those of us who have really struggled. All the professionals I see say they can't believe I've stuck with it at all given the issues we've had, even though we've had to combination feed from the get go. Yes, that's right. Adding poison to the mix (rolls eyes).

On a totally different note, anyone other than SoYo been following this thread gift list for mother of the baby ? You do need to read the whole thing (though highlighting op's posts might be helpful if you don't have a spare few hours) as it really has kept me entertained for the past few days... And I do like a happy ending.

Yes I saw that one. The parking one was pretty good too

stormy I am not let mini eig read it!! We are still poo central here and I have a lovely litte mini poo scoop to take the sample to the docs tomorrow. But what a load of tosh. It's like we are idiots.

We are aware it's better ( although if people could remind mini eig I would be most obliged). Only plus is my diet is exceptional now so I am healthy and the hand washing hygiene of my husband and three year old s now at epic proportions we all have flaky skin!

It is true that there are in my mind two big issues (1) getting started. Here the help is woeful. through my own trial and error I failed, through the paid help of a maternity nurse for the day I got it working, but not everyone has a spare 200 pounds to throw at getting decent help. (2) sticking the course with public feeding etc. it's difficult. I managed quite well today in ikea croydon but if mini eig gets wind it's all thrashing about and difficult and there aren't many easy places to feed comfortably so you end up either not feeding well at that feed, then having a snacking and puking baby all day or being tied to the sofa. How you manage that ood with two or more kids is impressive. as that is fine if you have one baby but much more difficult when you have two. ( perhaps I will do my own study on how bf 'ing number 2 leads to obesity and tv addiction in number 1 toddler who is bribed to watch tv all day with chocolate biscuits) I really think the formula ad thing is a red herring. We get that it's a second choice ( or at least the scientific evidence there is to date suggests it is) we struggle because of 1 and 2. Also I think because we put so much pressure on it might actually have the wrong effect. Desperately trying to bf being worried about nipple confusion and formula supplementation adding to the pressure and then eventually thinking ( as I did first time around) I have failed by giving them the bottle I am knackered and my nipples are in shreds? Give up.

If only mini eig weren't such a big fan ... She certainly didn't get her enthusiasm for it from me.

I await the lurkers to tell me off but feel so much better for getting that little rant off my weary chest. I want my a cup boobs back. These c cup ones are annoying!!

I'm with Stormy - the hospital I was at did nothing but promote breast feeding. I was quite happy to play ball, but if I hadn't been I can't imagine the recovery period would have been very pleasant. To say they put mothers under pressure would be a massive understatement.

Eig - if anyone tells you off send them my way. You've been to the ends of the earth and back, and put way more effort into bf-ing than anyone else I can think off. I don't care if someone else has ebf their tiny tot for 3 years whilst wearing a hessian moby wrap and lentil hat. I really don't. We all do our best, and you've done gold star good.

Absolutely exhausting day today, for no reason other than having a house full is stressful! The tiddler has been lovely.... no unnecessary screaminess, nice civilised dinners, and a most unfussy final settle. In fact her last feed was a dream feed.... or so DH tells me. I was chatting to my parents and came in to find her fed, changed and fast asleep for the night. Can someone please tell me where my husband is, and as I frankly don't recognise this version. What is even weirder is her also cooked the dinner and baked some bread

worse how lovely! Glad mini worse is doing so well! My baby app tells me 5 poos today .... So that is one less than yesterday, please let the week of shit be ending! The husbands must have got the memo to up their game. Mine has got Wimbledon tickets for us and a nanny for tiddlers! What if she is still sick I say and won't have a bottle, nanny will bring her over for me to feed her (we live nearby!) so can't complain .... A couple of poo free hours is just what I need!

Fx that the poo fairy has finally moved on Eig. Agree with Worse (nice to have you back btw!) that you've been fab. Knowing how hard I've found the need to constantly push a 3 hr schedule and how hard it is to get to even 4 hrs overnight, I have no idea how you've coped with 1.5-2hr feeding for the stretches you have or any stretches at all after the first week and that's without a 3yo. Gold stars all round.

Thanks pundat , well poonami had us up so poo sample collected. Then a big vomit so I've woken the man to help as I've been up over an hour what with everything. Grrrr

pundat do you think we are the only two left with these awful wee am night feeds?

Dunno. Depressing if we are although at least poor minieig has an excuse what with being poorly. MiniPud just seems to need to eat around 4 hrs after his dream feed and then 2.5-3 hrs after that. Not habitual waking as times change depending on when dream feed was etc. Given the ongoing issues with his weight I just cannot try to wean him off any time he will eat well.

Still struggling slightly as he's dead fussy about his bottles, and mostly insists on boob. All very well but I do worry that it simply isn't enough for him . Means I bin formula for a pastime which seems so wasteful, but I just never know when he will suddenly polish off a 3oz bottle? Only has about 6-7oz in the whole day, which given I do 3.5 in his dream feed gives you some idea of how random it is.

However, otherwise he's lovely. Head control really coming on. He tries to do too much, so remained wobbly as he wouldn't stop looking round, up down etc before he could hold it steady meaning it just kept going out of control. His pull to sit is impressive as he's using his arms and tummy to pull himself up a bit now too, and he finally likes toys and reading books together. It's getting rather fun!

Hi Ood? How's LO getting on? And you? Hope all good and calming down. which parking thread?