November 2012 - When are they going to sleep through again?

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Ah. Quite probably. Awful, awful, awful.

Ah yes, the HV eyed me on a home visit in the early days, and said "of course, you don't sleep with her on the sofa do you? Or in your bed?" to which I said, "oh nooo, noooooo of course not" whilst crossing my fingers behind my back. How the fuck else is one supposed to sleep with a baby who will not be put down? Hmm? I hate the way you are made to feel so guilty for doing what is the best thing (only option) for you and your baby at a particular time. I never ever set out to co-sleep but it has been the only way any of us have had sleep on some nights.

Bloody media, rattling my cage.

Yep sorry, meant the Oklahoma news. Watching the co-sleeping thing now. Found O practicing rolling over in his cot last night so not too worried about him getting squished by me. May need to lower the cot soon I think.

I slept too thanks pig

I meant to share something I found funny last night, but was too tired. I was reading F a bedtime story, called Mr Wolfs pancakes - all about how he can't read, or do the maths, or cook, and nobody will help him - but he manages to get the stuff together and makes these pancakes. The smell of cooking wafts across his mean neighbours and they come knocking, asking if they can have some. Now, I was fully expecting the story to end something like, "and Mr Wolf shared all his pancakes and here's the moral of the story" etc etc. So imagine my surprise when I read "so Mr Wolf invited them all in", turned the page, read on... "and ate them all up. And then he was still hungry so he ate his pancakes"!

Ha pig. Sorry you had such a crap sleep

Really hope det had a decent night.

BPLP love that bedtime story!

We had a bad night after a clingy totes emosh (as they'd say on TOWIE) day - up wanting cuddles at 11, 2 and 5 before waking for the day at 7.30. Am wondering teeth or if the fecking organix baby porridge contains dairy traces... It wasn't dreadful by regression standards but I missed my 5 hour chunks of sleep.

Can someone invent the acme Star trek baby bad night scanner already....

Off to docs - described symptoms and was urged to hurry in straight away

Good luck YW. Hope it is nothing too exciting.

pig that is a fab story. Off to Amazon.

The US have had a horrible year, with the Boston bombs, the superstorm and now this. :(

I agree PR so very sad.

pass thank you for the info about Lipil 2. Very reassuring.

PP I really do not think you need to worry about topping up at this stage, with bm or formula. R is on solids, and you can use cows milk for cooking. Expressing a bit can help increase supply, and you can put it back in him when necessary, but do not drive yourself into the ground with it.

horsey the cold will make reflux worse as will solids possibly, and teeth. Is he only on Gaviscon? If so, he may need something else.

And horsey the thickener Carobel might be an option as it does not clog up the bowels.

I am thinking of giving J Gaviscon today to clog him up as we are praying for lumps.

BP that sounds like a fab story!

detective really don't know what to say. Hugs.

I didn't co-sleep with DD, followed the rules with my PFB. With DS, it was the only option for some sleep. It was planned, and we did it carefully. Still do it now when it is the only option. DS's rivers of snot, conjunctivitis, cough and general pitiful state have meant he will only sleep in the crook of my arm. I only dose when he is in that position.

Off to see the GP later - I want to DS's chest listened to, and preferably some drugs, for either him or me. He's had this sodding cough/cold for coming up to 3 weeks and clearly cant shift it on his own. I'm not one for needless antibiotics, but feel DS needs something this is obviously based on my own extensive medical training

Colds, coughs, snot, conjunctivitis, and lack of sleep in the Gazelle household can FUCK OFF.

And I know we're having a much easier time than some of you, so hugs, etc all round.

Have we heard from detective this morning?

I hope J turns a corner soon. I want to sleep in my bed.

We co-slept from 5-12 weeks as he was so unwell with the bronchiolitis. Not something I ever did with the girls, but it was the only way either of us could get any sleep. And then, when he was a bit better health-wise, he went in his cot as it was the only way either of us could sleep. This week he has been on his changing mat, on the floor in the lounge, and I have been on the sofa, again as the only way to get sleep. You make the best decision you can and so long as thought is given, and are aware of the potential risks, then you do what you feel is right. If we avoided every risk we would never leave the house, and we would still be at risk!

I co slept with ds1 and i wanted to again with H but dh didn't want to so we didn't.

He's been asleep on me for about 2 hours. I'm hungry and I need to pee. If I knew he was going to sleep this long I would have put him down and got stuff done. I'm still in bed, haven't even showered.

TMI alert:

The brown sugar has worked its magic. Many times over. Each nappy's like an archeological dig - you can date the poo based on the contents.

The skin on her bottom is terrible though, am slathering on bottom butter as it is very close to bleeding

Humph. In the park with a sleeping baby and 5p short of a coffee. Might just go a walk and get one in town. Does anyone else have no idea how to dress their LO for the sunshine? P is in a short sleeves romper suit with a vest underneath and a hat on. For Sleeping I have put a little crochet blanket over her. I feel the cold so I have no idea what is appropriate!

Think I need to get out the brown sugar. P has been a bundle of misery today crying almost constantly. Most unlike her actually. It seems to coincide with her making pushing and straining noises.

Yy pass about dressing babies for the sun - it's between 20-25 degrees here in the day now (not trying to make you jealous I promise because soon it'll be a 40+ sauna of hellishness) and J is basically still wearing what he was in the winter minus jumper and blankets. So vest, long sleeved t shirt, trousers and socks. But all the Italian babies are still in full on winter coats and wooly hats...

Ha! See it is the opposite here. I would hazard a guess that it was about 20 - 23oC here (cloudy now so a lot cooler) and there are children in the park with strappy vests and shorts. I was looking at then thinking it's not ^that* warm surely.

at archeological dig nappies.

Yes to summer dressing. I also have the same problem making the transition from winter to summer with my own clothes.

Had a lovely morning with next door. No tears at all from O and both babies were really happy to see each other. His first friend . She also gave me a BLW book so will have a read and post any good nuggets of advice/recipes.

Quite keen to hear from Det to know everything is ok.

That's what I feel like telling all the Italian mamme who look at me like I'm exposing J to hypothermia....in England people would be shivering stoically on the beach in this weather!

The general guide is one more layer than you. But it depends on the baby. Feel down their back and assess from there.

The other day for the school run I was wearing a thin coat and J was in his buggy snuggle, but there was a mum there in shorts and vest top with a baby in the same. I did not know who was dressed appropriately tbh as I had a temperature, but I know it was appropriate for J to be like that.

Is the advice still no direct sun for first year?

When it is full on hot sunny that is. The direct sun guidance.

Oo no idea vq. I'm not a sun worshiper anyway so would naturally seek shade. P has her factor 50 slapped on