November 2012 - In denial about the six-month sleep regression

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Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1740697-November-2012-Starting-weaning-what-does-your-baby-eat

You know when you leave two-year-old and baby together quietly watching TV while you quickly pop to the loo, only to hear blood curdling screams a minute later? That.

Urgh. I really thought ds1 had launched himself off the sofa, landed on Teddy and crushed him or something. But no, ds1 had just slipped off the arm of sofa and got himself wedged between it and the wall . It was him screaming, not Ted, who was happily oblivious. My heart can't take that sort of fright!

Evenin.

Oh, I meant to say to roo we all do what we can to get through. Noone lives anyone else's existence so noone can say what you should or should not be able to cope with. If you feel a day or two off a week would benefit you then sounds like that might be a plan. Babies need mums not martyrs.

P has taken a liking to sleeping on her side. Is this alright? She woke from a long nap earlier only because she had pretty much rolled into her front and was a bit stuck. I noticed just now when putting her down that she dozed briefly flat on her back but with her legs to the side. I had wondered if her tummy might actually be sore. She has been happy as larry all day though so if she is actually unwell she is bein very brave. The only other indicator is that she has slept really well. One 45 minute, one 1.5 hour and one just one an hour. That's a whole two hours more than she had yesterday.

We are going to visit my parents tomorrow as my sister and her baby are there. I will not allow shared nomming and be scrupulous about hygiene - that should be ok you think?

Fucking bedtime. Self settling, unlikely to happen any fucking time soon. Why the fuck is it so hard to get tired children to go the fuck to sleep. DH thinks he is hard done by, having to work evenings. I'd fucking love to waltz out of here at 5pm, and come back to sleeping babies. The next child who squeaks in this house doesn't get to go to university. Sigh.

LO sleeps on her tummy. Has done for a month. Screams blue murder if I try to roll her back. Once they're mobile you can't really do much but put them down on their backs and leave them to it. Guidelines say don't for another 6 months but short of nailing her to the bed not sure how I'm meant to achieve it!

Pass F has slept on her side since day 1. God forbid she should slip onto her back - the whole neighbourhood hears about it. Lying on their right is supposed to be good for reflux. If F lies on her left, sick just comes out poor soul.

dixie worse than screaming is silence in this house

mamapo good luck

roo you do what works for you. Everyone should just make the best decision for their own family and circumstances, what anyone else thinks is really irrelevant. But I do think you need to remember to factor in what you need to, within that decision making. We mummies (and daddies too) can be neglectful of ourselves because we are too busy looking after every other bugger. But that doesn't help. My family doesn't function well if I am not happy, healthy and ok. So I have to remember that it really is in everyone's best interests for me to be ok. Do what you need to do, give yourself permission to get past whatever it is that makes you think twice.

pass I think once they can manoeuvre themselves and seem happy, they are fine. I still put DS down on his back, but he is just as likely to sleep on his side or front now. I always put him on his back and then let him find a position he likes.

How is LO's reflux katie?

I hear ya madam

dixie the closest we have had to that was when we left p sleeping in her Moses basket momentarily. There was a sudden scream and the cat bolted up the stairs. She might just have been running away from te noise I suppose . . .

Still took 1 1/2 hours of solid feeding to get him down

For tea he had a cube each of parsnip and sweet potato, 1/4 of an avocado and 1/2 a rusk leftover from breakfast and i thought I'd filled him up. Where does all the food go?! 2 weeks ago he was ebf, he's 12lb2 at 24 weeks so teeny tiny... What am i doing wrong???

Tummy sleeper from early on here, won't go more than 3 minutes any other way.

Omg pass I was just coming on to say LO asleep on side do I need to go roll him! Spooky!

Finger foods here are toast, breadsticks, cucumber and strawberries in one of those mesh handle things.

He loves all purée so I'm getting a bit more adventurous. Just made some mango and banana and papaya and strawberry. Lets see. Also broccoli cauliflower and sweet pot plus spinach and butternut.

He is a gannet and still eating 45oz + of milk!!!

I suppose of he's going to grow to 6ft7!!

I came on here to whinge the same madam.

I. Am. Done. In.

Me and DP are in sleep training.

We need to get O to self settle. I can't (and DP is close to the edge) rock and pat and all that fucking jazz to sleep every sodding night. Days are okay now, with the use of the pram. I am loathe to use that for night though, as where will that get us? Using another tool to get him to sleep.

It actually feels like we have gone spectacularly wrong somewhere, now I look back at how we get him to sleep, and he has seen through everything eventually, and the schemes are becoming more and more elaborate!

I was screaming in pain when I bent over to pick him up this morning. I know it is him taking his toll on my back.

I'd get a sling, except it is another tool yet again to get him asleep.

So, given he has self settled in the past, and can sometimes self settle on waking in the night, why can't he go off for a nap or bed time any more by himself?

BTW. O has been fabulous again today. Happy boy, had a melt down in the bath, but DP decided it was because he needed to go to bed - given the lengths gone to to actually get him asleep - I deduce DP was wrong, and that we should have just kept him up til 7.30. Once out the bath he was happy. I did say to DP if I struggled to get him down, he was taking over....!

In other news in chez detective, yesterday we figured we should offer a bigger bedtime feed. He has been draining the 8oz bottles.

So I made up 2 8oz bottles, then I could just top one bottle up with some more when he was nearing the end of the first.

He took 11 fucking ounces. 11!!!

He has also graduated to 3 x 70ml pots of food today. He has definitely improved in the feeding department since introducing solids. I can't actually remember a time he took less than 6oz.

I'm fooking shattered after bed time! Though I am grateful for my happy wee boy who slept for a massive 3 hour nap and had to be woken from this afternoon. Beginning to believe the CMPI is an issue. We agreed (me and DP) to review the feeding after 2 weeks. So will see how he does between now and then.

Pidj see what O has had today! I suspect that volume from the boobies would take quite some time. I also don't know where he puts it but my back could give you a damn good idea!.

Still, I am so grateful he does sleep. Eventually.

I would just like to make it easier on us all!

Dh has been asleep on the sofa since 7. Apparently he is still tired from his one bad night of sleep at the weekend

I always know there's trouble at mill when, during bath time I hear DH utter in an exasperated but affectionate tone 'you little bugger'

Bath poo alert!

And I've had the pleasure of a really grumpy reflux boy today. Back to the usual guessing game - reflux from teeth, from a virus, from solids that don't agree with him or from something I've eaten that doesn't agree with him . Being in my arms, with his fingers playing with my hair or stroking my cheek has been the only place he's been happy. My back is killing me! Whatever is causing it - reflux please fook off and give me my bear back.

Aw pidj that must be so draining. Wee thing must have hollow legs.

det I was fretting about self-settling last week. P used to then stopped when I stopped swaddling her at night. It was weird because I could have understood the impact on night time but it messed up the whole thing. Well, weirdly, just two days ago she just did it herself and has done since. I am not saying it is magic or that she just closes her eyes and that is it but it is like she now gets again what she is supposed to do. Tonight for example I put her down at 6:45 and she was fully asleep by 7:20. That sounds worse than it actually was. She did doze then woke again the had a wee sing to Ewan so she is happy and contented. I can tell when she is ready to actually sleep because she now has an "I need my dummy back" noise.

The only thing that changed was the morning she 'got it' I decided to chill the fuck out. I decided I was asking to much of her and to just go with it. I did, however, pop her down unshooshed just to see what she would do. Previous attempts had led to an age of singing then overtired screaming. This time she sang a bit then called out. Dummy returned she turned her head and fell asleep.

Bizarre. No solution. At all. It just seemed to click again. I think if they hav done it before they will learn it again. My only thought was that P might have been feeling a bit confused as a result of the lack of swaddling and she just needed more reassurance.

Fuck the fuck off reflux. Fucking fuck

Oh and great minds obviously think alike pikz!

Det that's the thing - I'll be up all night with him too. I just don't seem able to fill him and can't afford formula even if i thought it would help

YW at bath poo! I shall tell DP. He can feel less short changed at his bath efforts tonight!

He owes me big time. I let him sleep til 2pm today. Wonder what he will pay me back with?

I'm sellotaping the baby monitor to his head tonight.

pass did you ask about cheese? I can't remember who it was or what was asked but cheesley (according to DP) is fine for CMPI babies. It is dairy and soy free.

From experience pidj formula made no difference to O in terms of sleep. He did feed quicker, but that is it. He fed quicker when I expressed. It was quicker to express and bottle feed EBM than it was for him to actually feed at the boob.

No, we are training ourselves pennie to stop being slaves to elaborate sleep inducing techniques!

We are going to try and go back to basics.

pennie Is this what you need?!

YW fucking reflux can fuck the fuck off

LO will self settle at night but not during day. I need to build up energy to give the days a good shot. Any nap longer than 30 minutes would be lovely!

Thank the fucking lord that my boy after horrendous mucous vomit that required a bath this morning suddenly returned after two days of grizzlies hell. I am hoping that was what it was as he's been giggly and lovely all day since. I was actually beginning to doubt I could stay home with him for another 6 months