November 2012 - The lurker amnesty fred for our quiche

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jims love it! I always get Carmina Burana in my head when something bad happens...

I think the MIL thing is about respecting my decisions as a parent. That generation need to back off and realise we're better informed than they were. DH had a word this morning and I think the message has got through. I also hate the way she just yammers on at DS to the exclusion of everyone else, loud grandparenting at its worst :( she also says weird stuff to him about 'unconditional love' and 'you're the reincarnation of your great gran'

You guys are all doing an amazing job, btw, I echo Luis in saying give yourselves a pat on the back :)

yw my head is spinning after that, but thank you x I will re-read your last post a bit later, but I think you are saying I am not totally fucking up my nips will be wrapped in duck tape today, and DH will be kicked into action tonight. He is off tomorrow, so I do not think that is too mean. He has taken the girls out this morning, so he is learning.

The car though, is driving like a dream, and my mum and dad paid for the repairs. I was so touched by that.

Does anyone's LO have teeth yet? My dS has 2 at the bottom and now bites when I try to bf It really bloody hurts I can tell you! Anyone got any tips on stopping it?

No teeth here. DD1 got her first at over 8months then they all came one after the other. We're just waiting for the last four now. Am hoping LO will be similarly late.

Hi limpet welcome. I found a little gentle tap on the nose and removal of boob helped, but my baby was a lot older. Perhaps your lo would not be able to associate the two things and stop biting. Would nipple shields be an idea? DD2 used to screw up her nose before she bit me. She used to do it on purpose and laugh when I yelped

pr how awful, but the way you write made me giggle.

What I do if going out vq is I make a bottle immediately before leaving with freshly boiled water. This then goes straight in the insulated bag. I am sure someone will tell me that this isn't safe but using boiling water will kill any germs and the bag will ensure the milk is still really pretty warm. In fact once or twice I have had to get cold water in a jug as it was still too hot. DH can go and make the next bottle while you feed with the pre made one.

limpit feel for you. DS is def teething - all over, inc back ones as he moves a knuckle/teether around to the sides & the front is rock hard. No teeth yet though. DD did similar to PRs DD1, got first tooth just shy of 8mths & within about 3-4wks had the front 4. The only time she bit, I yelped & made her jump. No more biting! :)

P has a slightly sharp thing coming through on her bottom gum. Must be a tiny bit of tooth. I have just been trying to feed her and she ended up chewing on the bottle teat. Made me wince!

I could dine out on MIL stories for years to come :) I do laugh about it myself when they are at a safe distance. When they were here I was sitting seething and writing everything in emails to my mum who passed them on for the whole family to have a good laugh at.

I had my section on friday, came home on monday and then on wednesday I winced when I sat down on the sofa. And MIL said 'it can't still be hurting' as if I was being a drama queen. Showed her the wound and she said I had been butchered that her friend's wound was only about 5cm across. I assume her friend gave birth to a baby rabbit then. How on earth does she think they can get a baby out by section without cutting a hole large enough to get the head through?

I worry about the genes.

Thanks VQ I tried saying No quite firmly
And then taking him off, but I seem to be confusing him as when I just tried to put him on, he was looking at me as if to say: 'is this what Im supposed to be doing?' Will persevere though, while I still have nipples left!
PR Sounds like you've been incredibly patient with your in laws so far
Im quite lucky with mine, they do live quite far though, as do my family so we tend not to get caught up in the dramas.

chick the first time he did it I yelled too and he burst into frightened tears! I felt terrible! He also smiles (and sometimes yanks ) while he's doing it! He's learned some new swear words already this weekend I think!

limpet I think he is too young to understand. My DD knew exactly what she was doing, the little sod

pass thank you. I will try that, but not until I have had the pleasure of getting DH more involved

My DH is a wonderful wonderful man, and I love him dearly. He is just very lazy at heart, cannot mind-read, and takes about 30 minutes to wake up properly. Once awake, he finds it very hard to sleep again. I whine about him frequently, but I am very happy to be sharing my life with him.

PR that's a shocker!! They're such control freaks.

Yoko I don't know about you but I find that if you are doing something differently to GPs they will dismiss the new way as a fashion or fad and claim that it will all have changed back in a few years. My tactic is to start to agree that many parenting ideas do change from generation to generation, but then say, but isn't it wonderful that medical research has reduced SIDS by 75%? And that we know so much more about gut development and how early weaning affects allergies, isn't it great? So they are kind of forced to agree that the current guidelines are an improvement.

However, when we saw the allergy specialist he told us about the EAT study which is investigating whether early weaning and inclusion of allergens would actually prevent allergies, so I guess we may see the guidelines change again. Which my mum would be delighted about. Hmm.

Sympathies to all those with interfering relatives...when DP's stepsister and cousin came to visit recently they were obsessed with trying to get me to drink (DS is ebf), literally trying to force alcohol on me at every meal. Though here in Italy a lot of people seem convinced that drinking beer increases milk supply

Mine live almost 1000km away, about as far away as it is possible to be while still remaining in France.

Is there a 'like' button somewhere round here?

JJ yes, they always give me the face when I mention anything vaguely new-fangled. My own mum even bollockses on about cooled boiled water. Unfortunately we are currently relying on FIL to get house finished, so I kinda feel beholden to them.

PR are you in Paree? We're thinking of moving to France (both French speakers).

Make sleep does seem to be completely different to female sleep. I have always slept incredibly lightly and find it very difficult to get back to sleep having woken. DH is asleep as soon as his head touches the pillow. Last night P was choking on her own snot. I saw to her a couple of times but then it got really bad. I was up and about getting the snot sucker and trying to pin down P's head. Eventually DH asked if everything was alright - my response was "no! She can't fucking breathe!" He got up and tried to help out. This morning I said something about how horrible it was listening to her and how glad I was that it had cleared - DH has only the most vague recollection of ever getting up. He was essentially still asleep.

I remember when P was about 2 weeks old and we had agreed to take turn about with night feeds I had woken up to P starting to snuffle, went down stairs to put the milk on, came back up to P really starting to wake and whimper. Shook DH and said that p needed feeding - he said "well, you're already up. You do it". He was utterly mortified the next day and did every night feed for days!

VQ I definitely think you're doing the right thing assuming its lactose intolerance from overload.

If the LI is a result of another dietary intolerance ie dairy then I'd be minded to EBF on an elimination diet assuming you had no other kids (as its gentler on the gut) - but that would either mean pumping to keep your supply going for the next few weeks until you know what exactly the issue is or relactating - neither of which are feasible with 3 DCs.

If it does turn out to be CMPI in your situation I'd switch to nutramagen (sp?) and no BM as soon as symptoms worsen. You want to avoid lactose intolerance (which can result from untreated CMPI) if at all possible as its harder for them to grow out of.

To further confuse things.... most CMPI babies have secondary mild lactose intolerance - weak enough that BM wouldn't trigger it. So its hard to tell what has caused what.

It's so hard nailing these diet issues. For our next one I'm eliminating dairy and soy from 7.5 months preggers so when they arrive my milk will be free of it and we can hopefully avoid the pain, medication and instead focus on gradual reintroduction.

Yoko I lived in Paris for about ten years but now live on the border with Luxembourg and Germany. Where would you be thinking of moving to?

fucking complicated!!! But I think I understand. If it is CMPI, boob will go back to DH for deffo.

Today he seems pretty good. Settled, and had a good nap. Slight cough, small vom. Has just done a poo

PR it's v tentative at the moment but we have friends in Paris and Bordeaux. Really liked Bordeaux when we went last summer (apart from people smoking all over a heavily pregnant me), I was gutted not to be able to eat foie gras, certain seafood, drink red wine but I bloody well did anyway. Any tips/dos/don'ts?

yw I had thought the same. I would hope to be able to BF a second so would prepare for reflux and CMPI in the same way.

On another note - as a schedule type person is there anything we can do to prepare for the clocks going forward tonight? P gets up at 7-7:30 ish and goes to bed about 6:45-7pm. I am a bit worried about her schedule . . .

I didn't get the job. Apparently they had a very strong field. Except that the way they did the interviews there could only feasibly be three candidates [hmm[