November 2012 - BFPs? Already? You girls are going to have some fun!

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Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1693077-November-2012-They-WERE-sleeping-what-happened

kyz and horsey I am often in leicestershire (well, rutland) as parents live there. Would be keen to join you guys if you did a meet up.

evil and bigpig, did you mention another meet up? Any other SW ladies out there?

I'd like a badge too, blonder. I present as very confident and extroverted, and I am, but am also terribly shy sometimes underneath it all, especially with new people.

Might get DS weighed today.

Contra yes but i take no credit, saw it on here first

Glenda R sometimes brings up clear stuff with lumps and is bf so doubt it's off milk unless there's something seriously amiss with my boobs

Am an unhappy pig this morning. I went up to bed earlyish last night, dh decided he was going to as well, then proceeded to snore for an hour, when F woke up to feed. At 11.30 I suggested he go downstairs for a bit so I could nod off. F woke to feed at 2, came into our bed, and has been up for the day since 5. When dhs alarm went off at 7, he said "I can't wait for my lie in tomorrow" which was like a red rag to a very tired bull. I suggested that, given the fact I've had about 8 hours sleep in 3 days, that perhaps he would like to take both girls to the park, library and shop tomorrow morning so that I could get a lie in. We shall see.

detective re. mouldy marmite
horsey and pp and hope you're feeling better soon
madam you read correctly - what days are good for you?

Get well soon horsey.

Don't we all get lie ins this weekend as its Mother's Day?

FUCKING RIGHT WE DO pikz

DH can stick that in his pipe and smoke it.

Fucking app lost my post. Again.

Trying to catch up, but few things to say first.

VQ yay for good sleeping. Well done J

Stunt sorry you are having such a hard time of it. I am hoping O's crap sleep is 4 month regression come early as I fail to see how it can get worse than this.

Glenda I'm ok thanks . OH did last night's feeds so I got some decent sleep. Not enough to make a dent into this chronic tiredness, but a start. Going to monitor my mood and see how I get on.

horsey yes to a midlands meet, but I have no transport so would need to brave the train with O to Birmingham or somewhere.

Off to catch up properly now...

Pikz, barefoot Apparently if BF at the point that your wee one regularly goes 4-5 hour + stretches between night feeds the body starts to reduce the 'send you back to sleep' hormones released during BFing. Have really noticed the difference. It sucks big style. Yesterday I couldn't get back to sleep at 5.30 despite LO being flat out. FFers have you struggled to get back to sleep since day one? - I used to just sniff my pillow and I'd be unconscious

Just put the wee man in his jumperoo (which takes up the whole lounge.!!) and had to put a box under his feet. Shortarse

Thanks again for all replies. I have decided not to worry about it ok I will worry a bit and just see how they go.

My c-section scar has split open a bit, right in the middle and is ozzing! I can't quite believe it, it has been 5 months now! It also stings. Lucky me.

YW at the start I fell asleep so easily as I was completely shattered. No sleep for the three days after labour did me in. From about 6 weeks ish though I have really found it a struggle. Has coincided with my skin and hair going back to its pre-pregnancy state so maybe its pregnancy hormones leaving the body?

YW I would be the same, pass out in seconds. I fell asleep on a chair in the hospital waiting to get my bloods taken before my gall bladder surgery. The girls were 6 weeks old. A lovely 70 year old woman woke me! I could sleep anywhere and everywhere. However, the past 2 weeks I have woken at 5am to go to the loo and I am now struggling to go back to sleep, I often lay awake until the girls wake at 7am. Very frustrating!

I can't sleep. Always feel like am expecting LO to wake, even though she generally doesn't.

Garden that sounds horrible how strange.

YW. O's first week was fine, I'd fall asleep no problem, but by the second week my sleep was all over the place, and I couldn't fall asleep. I would go to bed, do the last feed at 11ish, and be awake til 6am, even when he would do 3-4 hour stretches. I think it improved after I was FF, but I can't pinpoint the time, I'm not sure. I don't think it was FF that did that btw, just that my body adjusted eventually!

I have the odd not being able to get back to sleep moment now, but it's rare. It can take me up to an hour though, which is crap.

SHIT NIGHT in chez detective. DP was on night duty. Well I really don't know why the fuck he bothers because he woke me up about 26 times with being unable to deal with O properly.

It's so fucking annoying. Have to sit on my hands. And gaffa tape my gob.

Swimming today. And I'm fucking shattered. Must. Stay. Awake. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

I sometimes struggle to get back to sleep now too. Usually if it's after 4am. Managed it this morning tho thank goodness. Still feel tired. Had a horrible dream last night, so vivid. Not nice!

Garden my scar did that, a little hole appeared in the scar, was a few weeks ago now tho. I got some antibiotics and it closed up again. Still wonder why it did that tho?!

Not only is it Mother's Day on Sunday it's also my birthday, I doubt I'll get anything for either

J fed at 8, 10, 11:30, 2, 4, 6 and 8. His nappies are green, mucousy and very smelly. Definitely something not right there. So it looks like the previous weeks of poor sleep were just that, poor sleep, and the 4-month sleep regression started last night at exactly 16 weeks.

The feeding plan is:
1: Block feed.
2: Make sure he is latching on as well as possible, and unlatch him if he's not on right.
3: Consider cutting down on dairy.
4: Start him on formula in the run up to weaning with the intention of mixed feeding.
The sleep plan is:
1: Ditch the dummies as they have to be put back in throughout the night.
2: Establish a bedtime routine of bath (optional), pyjamas, story, sleeping bag, feed, bed.
3: Manage daytime naps by any means possible (carseat / pram / sling) to get good quality sleep during the day.
4: Once bedtime routine is established start putting him down awake.
5: If he starts managing to get to sleep at bedtime, start putting him down awake for naps.
Are these good plans?

Lilliana anything with a lit screen will reduce your production of melatonin which is the sleepy hormone. By using the tv / laptop / phone at night you'll be making it harder to get to sleep, especially if you're already having trouble sleeping. If you need to do something to stay awake for feeds, you'd be better with a book or a Kindle that has an e-ink screen since these aren't lit.

Not sure about the Infacol, Kissy. I always suspected it was a placebo.

Thanks for the gin Pikz but I'd rather have a mojito funny how limes and soda water just happened to fall into my trolley at the supermarket and, oh look, there's mint growing in the garden! And best of all, DH won a litre bottle of Bacardi in the work Christmas raffle. Just have to wait until this growth spurt is over as I had a couple of glasses of wine the other day then J demanded a feed. He wasn't impressed at being given a bottle of expressed milk when he really wanted boob!

Glenda the curdled milk means it was partially digested and apparently babies still get some calories from milk even when they throw it up straight after a feed.

Ouch Garden I didn't know that could happen so late. I bet they just leave it to heal on its own as well. Have you been doing anything strenuous apart from having twins of course?

Pennie what an absolutely shit thing to happen. Thieves are scumbags, especially those who take something that's such a necessity. Have you been able to talk the insurance company round? That deserves a complaint, 16 week delivery time is outrageous!

Garden crikey! Are you ok? Get it checked out pronto although I'm not sure what they can do, maybe at least dress it to keep it clean?

I've been feeling dizzy since 9.45 last night when I was standing at the change table with babylaughalot. I had to grab it to stop falling over. Getting to sleep was hard as lying down is making me feel sick. At least she slept for 3 hrs at a time. Its eased a bit this morning but I still feel a bit weird behind my eyes and in my head. Anyone got any tips to relieve dizziness?

On another note its been 5 years today since I met my DP. Hoping to go out for dinner tonight if I feel better

Stunt sounds like a good plan. Could be worth trying nuk dummies. LO never loses that unless she actually takes it out. She actually wakes up with a red ring round her mouth. DD1 was the same back in the day.

I am starting to try and work out a better go to bed in your own fucking room routine for DD1. As she still insists on sleeping with us. Step one will be buying brand new duvet and pillows and covers. Step two will be moving the furniture around. Step three will be a bedside lamp that I'm going to add to her birthday presents. Step four will be persuading her she has to sleep there, with no bloody youtube. Step five will be moving LO in there too. Step six will be getting them into a routine so that DH and I can shag in peace can have our evenings back. And so that I don't spend the night right on the edge of the bed trying not to fall out, with a little foot in the small of my back and a little fist clinging on to my hair.

At the moment I am mentioning to her regularly that she's going to start sleeping in her own bed like a big girl soon, but she walks away or points at something.

Funny how much noise they manage to make when doing the night shifts isn't it Detective

God knows PR! All I know is, he doesn't wake once when I'm doing his feeds/settling him!

I've give O an extra 1ml of Omeperazole this morning. He seemed unsettled and acidy. Of course this could be due to shit night but he was more settled after the dose. Will see if he maybe needs it twice a day.

That sounds worrying MissLaugh. Have you had any ear problems or very blocked sinuses? Was it feeling a bit unsteady or full on room spinning round? Do you feel funny if you tilt your head to one side or forward or if you turn your head from side to side quickly?

I'm lucky in the respect that DP is very good with J in the night, if he's been feeding all night I have been known to get ratty and grumpy whe I'm sore and he's screaming at silly o'clock in the morning, DP will happily rock him to sleep on his chest for an hour or 2.

J is only just stirring after feeding ALL NIGHT, bless him this lot of jabs have really caused him grief.

Hi all, I iz returned from self imposed exile. Wanted to say loads of stuff but have predictably forgotten it all. Except this-

OMFG PR, VQ and Detective - BLS is on the other side if the Yorkshire Dales from me and therefore very reachable, AND YOU ARE GOING TO BE THERE THE SAME WEEKEND I AM GOING TO CORNWALL!

Noooooo that sucks!!!! Where are you in the Dales? I'll be in the area part of the week before and after so we could have a mini meet up?

Nooooooooooo!!!!!!!! Get it sorted Cat!!!

Whatever you are doing is simply not as important as us!!!!!

I just remembered that this time 11 years ago, I was in early labour. This is the first year I haven't been thinking about it since the moment I woke! We have progress!!!