November 2012 - Forget 50 books in 2013, we'll have 50 threads

[StuntNun]

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1683927-November-2012-Guess-what-we-were-doing-this-time-last-year

You are doing nothing wrong pp neither is R.

I think anyone who suggests feeding a baby in a public toilet should be made to eat their own dinner in one. Utterly disgraceful to suggest such a thing.

Awake an hour, which seems to be his new pattern. Good feed so fingers crossed for another decent block.

3.5 hours for her long stint - her only stint so far actually. I thought we were getting somewhere - we are not :(

Hope you're asleep now pp

Cross posts VQ - got my fingers crossed for you

Hour and twenty. It's been like this off and on since his jabs and the next set are tomorrow i have too much to do during the day, and he only naps in the sling so i can't even rest then

I express at work in the disabled loo, but that's because it's the only truly private place. The pump touches nothing, i put it on a green paper towel. Not ideal but better than nothing.

Another 2 hours. Was hoping he would self settle but the girls were stirring so I needed him quiet.

Thank you kirrin sorry you are having a bad time. Is 3.5 the lomgest so far? Up until about 10 days ago that was all J was doing.

pp (((hugs)))

BP well done!

So 1 til 4.30, then 5 til now :( rubbish.

VQ she was doing 4 - 4.5 hours at one point, but it's been a few weeks since she's done that. She did do a random 7 hours last night though, and I got all excited thinking we were getting somewhere

pp I don't know what to say / suggest / Fingers crossed he'll sort his sleep out soon, especially with you being at work :(

We had a marginally better night but only because he got boob I think. Bed at 9pm, boob at 12, stirs 30mins later for dummy a couple of times (we'd just gone to bed), 3.30 feed & back in bed within 15mins, 5am ish I think needs dummy, 7am feed. So not fantastic at all but def quicker than resisting feeding him although he did actually cry last night & seem to want boob (so fed well, no pulling off & on etc). Going to forget previous good nights & just hope this passes sooner rather than later...

VQ glad he did a longer stretch

kirrin pp don't feel bad, you're not doing anything wrong. All children will eventually sleep... :)

DH took James away! I fed him at 8 for over an hour then he wanted to be fed again at midnight. But then he woke again at 1:30 so I tried to settle him with the dummy but he just started crying louder and louder so I ended up feeding him again. But when I put him back in his cot he woke up and started crying again. By this point I couldn't do anything for him I was so exhausted. So DH took him downstairs and J is presumably in the Moses basket. I've been dozing since about six but too tired to get up. I've missed one maybe two feeds. It feels awful not having him here for so long. I don't understand why he would take him away for the whole night rather than settling him back to sleep.

I feel dreadful. Actually got delirious during the night with the fever. Hope I'm better tomorrow it's no fun looking after children when you feel like this. :(

vq J gets better every day, lets hope it continues.

BP good for you, well done. Why should you feed in the toilet, really is beyond me.

Olly has now achieved the sleep regression part of the "growth spurt and sleep regression"! This involves waking at 2 and chatting. ( mummy puts pillow over ear). A waking at 5 and chatting (mummy puts pillow over ear but eventually gives in and gets up to provide early morning snack.)

Now he snoozes. And we are all up watching episode after episode of Thomas the Tank.

detecive I checked out your Matilda song as we have lots of Violet Songs for Violet but Matilda gets stuck with Waltzing Matilda! This is a fab substitution. She will love it. ( sorry mm bit of gate crash there )

Right breakfast. coffee. (I bought some nice Starbucks coffee for our road trip later but keep breaking into it. )

Today is a batiste day. Our ferry to Ireland is at 02:00am tomorrow so we will be leaving tis evening for Holyhead. I have out myself together for church and will bold shower at lunch time I think. Operation keep toddler wide awake all day so he defo sleep in the car, whilst I try to pack up and leave the house in an acceptable fashion.

stunt don't read into it. He took him and has allowed you some rest. As a man it is possible this is what he thinks is the best thing, I think it's what DH would do. So rest. You silly billy.

Bug hugs pr that is rotten I know. Try to get list of rest today whilst your DH is home. Xxx

Thanks Sophia. That is the longest I've been away from J even if he was only downstairs. I hate feeling so tired that I can't look after him, it's not as if I'm even ill. What's the Holyhead ferry like? I loved the Belfast-Liverpool ferry but it's too expensive compared to the cost of Larne-Troon or even flying over.

Hope you're feeling better today poor PR. Hopefully spring will cure all ills.

stunt in the winter we do the slow boat and book a cabin. Costs about £285. Takes about five hours. In the Sumer we do the vomit comet takes about two hours and costs similar. I prefer travelling overnight with a toddler as they mainly sleep. And so do we.

Is about 2 hours then up to the Mournes, we arrive in time for nanny to cook us breakfast! Happy days.

Kirrin, it's one evening a week youth work. If i were surrounded by adults I'd just go in the office!

BP Good on you for not hiding away. If it bothers anyone to see a mother breastfeeding her baby then they are the one with the problem.

DS slept from 10-4. This is an improvement but we are still some way from the 7-8 hours he was doing a few weeks ago. Woke at 7.20 and he wouldn't go back to sleep so I got up and came downstairs. Now he's asleep on my chest

stunt Don't worry about it. He's just giving you a break which is what dads should do sometimes. Sounds like you needed it too.

I've got so much housework to do today that I've been putting off all week. Going to my parents for a roast though and I want a lazy morning so will have to wait until I get back. The biggest job is sorting out DS's clothes. He's outgrown all his 0-3 now so got loads of new things. I need to box up everything that's too small and put it away. So sad.

Yet another bollocks night's sleep. Would not mind if they slept in the day, but they don't. At all. Feel like this is my life now. And no one really sympathises anymore because they are used to me only sleeping four-ish hours a night and coping, at least superficially. I honestly feel like I have lost 40 IQ points. I cannot think logically or retain information. It really is a good job they are cute cos I have never suffered with sleep deprivation like this with any of the others. The latest to sleep through was the 4 yo, and she was 12 weeks old. Here we are at almost 19 weeks and it is still me feeding them 3 or 4 times a night until about 4am, and then constantly from 4am til I get up around 6am. Bah. Sorry for the whinge.

Detective my best friend actually sent me that song just the other night! He apparently played it on his uni radio station "for the beautiful wee Matilda back home" - bless him! I love it! Sophia we too can't think of any other Matilda songs except the waltzing one.

BPLP I giggled at your comment about me shouting in your head. I am RARELY a shouty person (until I have to be, like clubcard points I save it all up and use it at once ). My little rant the other day has made me more determined to feed her everywhere. I already do but i am damned if I am going to shy away into the corner again. Heaven help the next person who crosses me! The only place I will give her a bottle of EBM is work, but only because I dont want the 11yr old boy I tutor to feel awkward. Go for it and let rip at anyone who tells you you can't - it's very empowering

Hugs to anyone who had a crap night

Arrrrghhhhhh!! I HATE the DM. I'm so cross my skin itches... [Angry] It's so bloody typical - they turn a good news story (more Mums are breastfeeding) into a horror story (unplanned pregnancies are on the rise because mums are relying on breastfeeding as contraception apparently). It's so like the Mitchell and Webb sketch "Everything is fine, fear it, fear it!!". I won't link to the story so the DM doesn't get more hits/advertising revenue but essentially the BPA say that 'anecdotally' there are more closer-than planned or unplanned pg due to incorrect advice, and given that MORE mums are breastfeeding means that there are more pregnancies... Forget that its possibly evidence of the NHS push to promote breastfeeding as the 'usual' way to feed is working. (Obviously not trying to attend any resident ffers on this thread, but I hate the way bfing isn't seen as 'usual' & ok, so mums have to go to the loo to feed etc. IMO if bfing was more 'normalised' we would never have a debate about how you feed a baby - it'd be up to their parents to decide, as its just food after all!!) Apparently though the NHS direct does say you don't need contraception for the first 6mths if you're breastfeeding

Ahhhh cat its hard, your mental acuity will be affected through lack of sleep, so its not just you (I just struggled to spell acuity!! )!! My dd didn't sleep through until about 19wks so I didn't notice this was late, but I feel a bit short-changed when I have a bigger baby now and he's still not going all night!! This will pass... ((Hugs))

apple my DS has grown out of his 0-3 so much earlier than dd ever did, and I felt really :( that the clothes they both had will not be worn by my DC again!! However, I suspect DH won't go for that as a good reason to have another, especially as we'd have to have another 2, DD and DS, to get all the clothes worn again, and then I'd be sad if they didn't wear them all again, so want another 2.... Ad nauseous infinitum.

Am now that my symbol above didn't work

cat sorry to hear you are feeling down. Whinge away, you are allowed to.

Twins are hard enough, I can't imagine how difficult it is having three other children too! Well done on getting this far!

I maintain the worst one I read was the DM journo whinging about his breast fed baby stealing his wife's body.

Morning all. Hugs to those with shit nights. I've been struggling to get back to sleep after the night feed - god knows why. But the last two nights I've lain in bed from five til eight listening to my boys sleep, hearing the boiler kick in, the cat whinge for food, watching the sun rise. So infuriating!

Anyway I feel a bit more human after MM inspired me to get my hair done. First time to the hairdressers since our wedding in 2011 - there was no point on the island as it was always so windy bobble hats were compulsory. I no longer look like a silver fox! DS had been inconsolable for the last half hour I was out but stopped screeching the second I heard my voice! Awwww it made me feel appreciated as did DH confiding he couldn't do what I do everyday

Big cheers to:

PR for daily fail bashing;
Valium Prince for sleeping a big chunk;
MM for perve raging. LEGEND!

On the antibiotics debate - I totally agree MM that you need to be on the same page as a couple re medicine, not least because giving anti-bs half heartedly / not completing the course increases resistant bacteria. We do as a society use them too often but you don't really want a baby to tough it out! As its staphylococcus - which is the normal skin flora gone a bit mad - it might just be worth ditching anti bacterial cleaning and washing products to allow the natural flora to rebalance? Him indoors might agree with that enough for you to have your way re the anti-bs? I would def keep giving the meds but if he's worried about resistance that's a compromise?