November 2012 - Forget 50 books in 2013, we'll have 50 threads

[StuntNun]

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1683927-November-2012-Guess-what-we-were-doing-this-time-last-year

Shit night. On 5th feed since 11pm . She's 12 weeks on Monday - growth spurt?

There is no rhyme, reason, or logic behind these little gits monkeys is there? After 3 weeks of wakenings getting closer and closer, we have got 9.15 til 5.55 out of him. I don't get it. Really don't get it. He had a shit day for feeds yesterday taking around 17oz so was obviously expecting shit night to follow.

Me no understandddd!

Stunt I'm with you on the 4am. Can deal with anything after 4am. Before... Makes me want to cry like a baby.

Now O. Please could you see fit to do this regularly again!!!

1.5 hours sleep stunt it had taken an hour to settle him. This time got 2 hours out of him.my girls were fab at sleep. So many folk have said it is because he is a boy. It is shit. I am so fucking tired.

mm growth spourt. Be grateful she has been a good sleeper and this too will pass for you.

But there are boys on this thread that are good sleepers. Waaah!

kissy & mm* at your experience of twunts whilst out bf'ing - mm had I have been in the drs waiting room with you - you'd have got a standing ovation from me!!! So far I've had nothing but knowing smiles but I try not to make eye contact with anyone whilst doing it - I still can only feed in the rugby ball hold and have cushion tied round my waist so don't think it's always obvious I'm feeding my darlin little bro didn't realise and thought we were just having a cuddle while she slept until Tallulah said no she's having mummy's boob milk - poor sod didn't know where to look

detective sending lottery win/inheritance from long lost great aunt/stumble across a hoard of money from a bank job in the 80's vibes your way - you deserve some luck x

Well sniffles and drippy noses have reached me n Dottie - my nose is like a tap and requires tissues close to hand where the fuck has the umpteen packs of tissues bought from quid shop gone??

Had a lovely day out with the girls yesterday catching up with a couple of friends - one of them a hv who isn't 22 and has 3 kids, ex gynae nurse who has experience of all sorts from depression, miscarriage to hemiplagia who I respect greatly told me about a website called purple crying - which seems to explain those evening of crying when you can't do right for doing wrong - not had a chance to have a proper look so sorry if its crap but the page she showed me which described the crying - fits Dottie to a T so will be looking further into it today.

Dottie went it to melt down whilst at dd1's riding lesson, she had been fed, was dry but nothing would appease her so the drive home consisted of her getting absolutely hysterical, me driving like a maniac and having the radio up v loud - 2 streets from home it goes all quiet - yup she's crashed!!! Why do they go nuts when you can't do anything to help???

She crashed out after her bottle at 8pm last night totally overtired an not had much if a nap and slept until 4 am - had a quick feed and back down until 5.30 but then up with sniffles so a chance to catch up on the thread.

And what is it with dh trying it on at 4.30 am when I put her back down?? Hello?? Precious sleep time!!!

All this talk of more babies makes me so sure that the shop is shut and I'm done - knew after dd1 I needed one more - funny how we know when to stop !!!

VQ and stunt I too got told boys were poorer sleepers. Wish mine would drop a feed somewhere, but no he drank 7oz at each night feed :(

VQ and stunt I too got told boys were poorer sleepers. Wish mine would drop a feed somewhere, but no he drank 7oz at each night feed :(

It's day 3 in the no poo house household...

God I hope dh is holding him when he finally goes

Morning all. Couldn't sleep. You know why? I had the Dexter theme music running round my head. Wouldn't stop. Every tome I watch that show in the evening that happens. That and Desperate Housewives.

I have also heard that boys are more difficult as babies with everything from sleeping to talking to toilet training, but are far easier once they reach 10, whereas with girls it's the other way round. So they say. But I'm whispering that as there are some MNers who would offer me up as human sacrifice to the Gods of gender equality if I say it out loud :o

I have no idea if it is true, and certainly wasn't as far as me and my siblings are concerned, but anyway. There's an anecdote to prove or disprove pretty mich anything.

detective hope the beds's in one piece!

vq great job on the 4 hours Hoping things continued smoothly.

Going from 1 DC to 2 I found really hard I suddenly would lurch from one thing to the next, having 3 meant that suddenly having 2 was easy! Having 4 meant that now when I have just 3 of them with me for some reason In any combination it's a piece of piss! Not moving on to 5, that might mean spontaneous combustion!

QQ

I am really struggling with the tea time feed. He normally has a bit of his feed at 5 and the rest at 6. He is just screaming and screaming and going rigid fighting with the bottle. Then when I give up and calm him down he is chomping his hand like he is really hungry. Eventually with a bit of perseverance he gobbles most of his feed. But not as much as usual. DH thinks it is because we stopped using Infacol. It i stopped using that at the 8 week madness as it didn't seem to work. Anyway we are now 15 weeks is there a 16 week something as O seems to do everything a week early.

Trying Weleda granules tbh they don't seem to make a diff.

Glenda that Purple Crying website is really interesting, thanks for sharing it. Must get these sleep problems sorted now as I think J is ready to start self-settling. He sleeps alright in the night time, it's just daytime naps and bedtime that he can be difficult to settle.

Must face the day now I have to pack and then attempt return plane journey with the three boys.

sophia 4 month growth spurt and sleep regression. Sorry.

I can almost disprove your theory PR if DS2 would stay in his bed. all three boys slept through by 10th weeks, first two were early talkers and toilet trained easy too. really easy babies, all ebf. good readers too which I was worrying about as I had heard academically boys are hard work. little horrors now though!

DH has man flu ad I have now caught the sniffle but as the house would blow up if I went to bed with a cold I am on my feet and dreading today

DS2 was a.June baby and that was wonderful. five am didn't feel like the middle of the night and the occasional sun was lovely. one day DS1 didn't want to have his hair washed in the bath so we did it in his new paddling pool with DS2 snoozing in his pram. brilliant

going from 1 to 2 was difficult. DS1 was 2 and a half and learning to balance the two was the hardest thing but it got easier and easier each day. 2 to 3 has been easier, prob cos they are older. although the jealousy manifests itself in different ways.

Oh vq and stunt big hugs. As you both know its nothing you are doing. I'm so sorry there is so much unsettledness. I've got nothing to suggest just huge hugs for both if you.

mm yes 12 week growth spurt!!

sorry, mammoth post but that will be the last one in this thread probably

Worst. Night. Ever. Or at least since newborn when you actually expect them not to sleep He kept crying & grumping almost to the dot of 1.5hrs sleep. Thankfully DH was helping with the dummy replacing/nappy changing etc. Didn't feed him until 5.30ish, so he went about 9hrs feed-wise, which is good. Not sure if it was a wind issue (had a can of diet coke for the first time since he was born) or just the so-called 4mth sleep regression, as that seems to be hitting the Nov babies at 14wks... Anyway, he's now asleep in bed next to me but DD is up early because she was hungry after not eating much when out & about yesterday. Not sure whether to leave him or transfer him to the cot...

Eliza glad you got some help yesterday & it does sound more positive. Fingers crossed getting more milk into her helps - perhaps she just doesn't have a strong enough suck to get as much milk as she needs? If she was on a bottle, that wouldn't matter as much obviously. Who knows! At least you've got an option now.

Not sure whether DS is worse than DD regarding sleep. I suppose with her I didn't worry too much - I went with the flow and assumed that, as a small baby, she would take longer to sleep through. However, I didn't realise how well she slept between feeds & how good she was at doing nights & naps until these threads! I do feel a bit short-changed that DS is a much bigger baby & not sleeping through. I mean, clearly he's getting enough milk!! Plus, his night feeds are just snacks really. But generally (the last 2 nights excluded) he does sleep v well, barely stirs & likes to nap. I just hope this 'regression' is a minor blip. Would like a few more hrs sleep!!

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh vq please let it be over by the time we go to NI or MIL, with all best intentions, will put it down to my mothering techniques.

Had a sneaky suspicion last night wouldn't be so good...only one waking but what a waking - 2-4 we were up. Feed, grizzle, poonami, grizzle. Then would only settle in our bed so consequently we're both knackered. And to top things off the effing cat has pissed on the armchair again as if I don't have enough washing to do already

eliza really glad to hear you've found some good support, fc the feeding thingy helps!

Brilliant news about the Sns and support group Eliza - hopefully the start of a turning point.

Sorry to hear about mre crap nights stunt and vq. G wasn't too bad - half 2 then 5 if I forget the fact that he was sleeping through a month ago. Had to get up and change dd at 3.30 though after a nappy leak because nitwit dh didn't put it on well after bathtime.

On having 2 - I felt just like you horsey when dd was small. Couldn't believe there were all these people around with 2 kids who I had previously thought were quite normal but must in fact be superheroes. The reality for me now it has happened is spot on in line with vq's description. Now things have settled I love it. Nothing beats snuggling or playing with my 2 gorgeous darlings in a good moment. I do still get the guilts a bit sometimes - especially as with dd's extra needs basically I think she would always benefit from more time - so some compromises for both kids are sadly a bit inevitable. But equally I already think they benefit from being around eachother - and that that will only increase - so it's swings and roundabouts on the guilt front. Much as I'd love more I think that will be it for us now though. I'm getting old and haggard, not sure my body could take another birth and pregnancy, and think these kids now need all the time and money we have and more.

I was expecting to take ages to conceive g, but in the end it was the first month and I think we only dtd once! Dd took much longer and I had an ectopic before her so I was expecting a long haul... So don't assume a slow start for number 1 will repeat (though of course the crap thing about ttc is that it is all so unknown and almost certain to confound expectations...)

brockle - mug of hot ribena to you, hope you feel better soon and that your dh can carve out at least a little bit of slack for you at some point.

Happy Friday all. I'm quite excited today. My laptop broke irrepteably last week (boooooo) but after much searching i found a great one with a huge discount because it was previously returned (but has since been checked over) in sony's outlet (discount) store. It arrives today - hurrah! Now all I have to do is reinstall everything and get all my data off the old hard drive when I get the chance...

Blimey that was long and rambly - I'll get back in my box now!

I don't have any boys to compare to but my girls have both been a bit rubbish when it comes to sleep - N particular so. Th exception that proves the rule?!

Just realised there were loads of crap nights - coffee and matchsticks for all of you - here is to more sleep in nights to come!

Eliza fab news that you've got some good support with bf'ing - hope LO puts on weight soon x

PR you're famous!!! :o

I know PP you can all start the queue for autographs. I promise I won't let it change me :o

Woah .... dd slept 10.30-10am ... I had to wake her! am in shock!