November 2012 - Don't forget the tummy time

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As I found whilst studying psychology, and indeed whilst carrying out my own research projects during my education degree, most research can be easily manipulated to suit the researcher. particularly if you're a lazy slattern and leave assignments to the day before they're due

katie I had not even seen your post :-)

BLW makes me shudder :-0

I still feel like crap. What os the point of having flu vaccine if you still get flu? I guess it is milder. I pity the poor buggers who get the real deal.

I have today slept when J slept. Or tried to. For the first time since his birth. DH is not impressed. Not looking forward to tonight.

Okay, I would like to add an opinion. I did not sleep train DS1. He sleeps like a fucking dream however. I can't remember exact time frames, but I know he was a lazy bugger sleeping 8pm-9am before 6 months. Self settling.

I know it was before then because I was back at college. And I used to have to wake him 2 days a week to go to the childminder.

I didn't read any books telling me how to sleep train, and I didn't have the internet. I just went with the flow. Yeah I got stuff wrong probably, but I didn't have any stress over what I was doing, and so far, he isn't a crack addict, I reckon I've done okay!

Just another opinion! I do like hearing about the various methods though! And if I had a particularly bad sleeper, I'd damn well try anything going.

I'm not good with strict routine. I like lazy routine.

I don't want that to sound all sanctimonious or anything, what I'm saying is, you don't necessarily have to do anything for them to develop 'good' sleeping habits.

I on the other hand can't wait to BLW as I hated the whole puree thing. Horses for courses innit VQ .

This is why I feckin' love this thread!!

Afternoon

I' not sure what ccis about - is it going into them after 1 min, then 2, then 3 etc and are you meant to talk to them or not?? Forgive my ignorance

I also have no idea about no cry - what is the jist of that??

I would never judge anyone's parenting style in these fraught early days - what ever works or whatever you believe go with - as long as the child is warm, fed, clean and loved it can sleep in a drawer!!! Though I do start wearing judges pants when I see a 3 yr old with a bottle of juice or trying to talk with a dummy in

With my other 2 dc they both 11-7 from 6 weeks, ds was ff, dd1 was bf for 3 weeks I think then gradually introduced ff for ease of going out etc...

I'm not sure what age they started self settling but it wasn't an issue as I was a sahm for both so they just fell into my routine as and when

With dots she does have a basic routine around school runs etc.. And maybe I'm making a big deal over something that will fall into place when I start uni and she goes to the child minder.

I should shut the fuck up and realise that 8/10 nights she sleeps through and feeding has got so much easier and just enjoy my time cuddling her to sleep as I might not get many chances come march!!!

I heart the kiddie are store in lakeside - could've spent a fortune but as its not payday until weds I spent £7 on a flasky bottle warmer!!!

Vq - blw makes you shudder? What's blw? Weaning?

I wholeheartedly agree with mm. You can pretty much take anything out if research. You need to look at the numbers, the control group the method and the actual stats. I've just decided to follow my instincts.

He's fast asleep on my bad shoulder. But looks so comfy!!!

Ride was fab. I suggest everyone finds a horse and has a bloody good blast!!!

Have any of your babies shown absolute terror in anything --apart from your friend passme lol! yet?!

I was winding sellotape round my hand to defluff the playmat earlier, and each of the 3 times I wound it round, Oscar let out proper terrified screaming, the same scream he let out when DP shouted after dropping a full bottle of lemonade on his ingrown toenail foot. So I knew it was a scared scream!

Is it wrong that I laughed?! I told him not to be scared, and it's just sellotape and showed him it. He wasn't convinced though!

I think it's great to hear about all the different techniques. As adults we all have different preferences for sleep. I for one can't sleep in at the weekend, I wake up at the same time every day, so as a baby I would probably have been ideal for the Gina Ford-style routines. The key is to find what works best for you and your child and if what you're currently doing isn't working then there are all these other methods you can try. My SIL co-slept with her DS until he was four but she didn't have any trouble getting him into his own room when he started school, despite what the 'rod for your own back' brigade claim. I have firm ideas for how I plan to sleep-train and wean J but I'll be on here like a shot for advice when if things don't work out as planned.

Det, it's the only song i can remember all the words to!!

I've worked for years with teens with SN and have seen first hand the repercussions of poor attachment, so can't bring myself to do any kind of CIO at all until he's older. It doesn't seem to work anyway, just makes him hysterical. I firmly believe that behaviour is communication, therefore if a baby is crying then they're trying to tell you something. As a mum, it's up to me what that is - in VQ's case its "leave me alone because I'm overstimulated", in my and R's case it's "i need a cuddle, where are you mummy?". Neither would work for the other person because we are individuals responding to our families' needs.

Swimming was ace, he managed 25 minutes and probably would've gone longer but his hands were blue! I'm on the hunt for a cheap secondhand wetsuit now, going to go weekly with my friend who's a swimming teacher :o

PS by older i mean 6 months, not in a few years

horsey I would love to go horse riding again. Damn back. You know how I broke my back? Trotting round an indoor school on a pony. Skittish pony but had ridden him before. I wasn't concentrating as I was chatting to my instructor. We were warming up before my lesson. A tractor started up outside, and the pony started playing up. I lost my balance and actually chose to let myself fall rather than trying to pull myself back up into the saddle - the floor wascloser. And I bloody broke my back. The stupidest riding accident I ever had, and I had lots in the almost 20 years I rode. Maybe I'll ride again but it would be a big risk for the back.

DD1 is an excellent sleeper and has slept through since just under three months. The problem is getting her to sleep, and it is proving impossible to get her to sleep in her own bed. There is no way I woukd co-sleep again. Last night I was woken up by her kicking me several times. When I was pregnant she actually headbutted me twice in her sleep. The first time she broke my nose and the second time she gave me a black eye. That was just after we moved and the neighbours all assumed that DH hit me.

Detective LO screamed when I dropped her, and I think it was part pain but more fear. It was different to the pain scream she does when she has jabs or blood taken. Though it could be because it was just more painful. She has a scared face when I jiggle her too much. DD1 loved being bounced on my knee and lifted into the air, but LO doesn't seem to like it as much.

PR You are extremely accident prone!! I think you need some cotton wool, for wrapping oneself in!!

Can it be bubble wrap? Much more fun to pop when I get bored.

Slummy mummy is now in her pyjamas. I've been vommed on and outfit changed 4 times today! Miraculously she's missed herself each time

Go for it!

I'm always amazed by how different each baby is from one another, even when they're newborn.

pr the head-butting/black eye is the exact slightly extreme reason why I don't want to co-sleep. My dsd is a right wriggler and we made a point of not letting her in our bed at night else she would have been the only one who slept. And that's why I got really pissed off a bit annoyed when the lady at boob group told me not to wish my childs life away and just accept co-sleeping.

PILs weren't too bad at playing pass-the-baby today, but LO had just settled for a nap and they insisted on lifting and therefore waking, her for a cuddle. So I now have one fractious overstimulated baby who isn't quite sure what she wants

DD2 and DS have jumped out of their skin when daddy burps. Big tears, and mummy did laugh.

horsey blw is baby led weaning I.e giving them proper food instead of going down the purée line. Food is fun until age 1. I always have images of babies chewing on a steak or dialling dominoes. Puréed food worked for my girls, and I love doing it. I cannot abide mess, even though to look at my house you would disagree. I have to be careful not to wipe my babies mouths so much they get sore. Agree, horses for courses! There is no right or wrong way.

DH looks as me like I am a fraudster, an inconvenience not pulling my weight. I am sure this is not what he really thinks, but this is how I feel he sees me

Bloody Nora BigPig that woman at boob group was a but much eh?

Well after refusing to nap LO gave in & we both just woke up. Feck. This could be interesting tonight.....

Clearly my routine is in place and I'm super mum. Ahem.

Serious face:
I need hand holding for tomorrow's trip to see DP's father and step mother. Delights I can look forward to are him trying to grab the baby the second I take her out the sling- even sometimes when I'm trying to breast feed (cue mother bear moment), bad mouthing my DP to the baby, telling me he NEVER sees her and making me feel like shit for her lack of weight gain/ even considering giving her a bottle.

I am dreading it. I hate him but am going for my DPs sake.

I'n hold your hand Katie. It's when I hear things like that I am glad that all our living relatives are at least 900km away ! Good luck.

All dead relatives too actually.

Does anyone listen to the Archers?

Do you want to tell Vicky to join our quiche?

The bits I heard it's a good portrayal of a mother struggling with breast feeding, wanting to do the best for her baby and feeling the guilt.

I'll hold your other hand katie. Relatives/friends/do-gooders like that are all idiots pricks - just smile and nod as appropriate, whilst swearing and cursing like a trooper inside. I do this frequently at work there's some right nobbers at times And we'll all make a tomorrow and sit down and read your rant

horsey haven't ridden since before DS1 so since 2009. Loved it. Went for a walk in Windsor Great Park yesterday and there was a group have a blast down the long walk towards Windsor Castle. Was so . Will take it back up again when we move to NI. Really miss it.