November 2012 - By 'eck we can talk

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Morning everyone.

The willy talk cheered me right up. Gardenpricksies is my contribution

P trying to be more helpful after I had a go at him for his previous nights selfishness.

The girls have started babbling and it is adorable to listen to. DT1 has a squeaky high pitched babble and DT2 does this tongue sticky outy thing and makes deep squealing noises. They sit opposite each other (propped up) and "talk" to each other for ages. I love watching them! I keep thinking of all the lovely things we have in store while they grow & develop. So exciting!

PR that must have been really scary! I hope you are not so shaky now. It is one of my fears to fall with the babies I am naturally clumsy

I love talking about religion but I feel like my brain has turned to mush now My degree is in Religious Studies and I have a MA in Philosophy.

I am not religious. I am not even interested in religion. Both me and DP are the same. I have not had my children christened/baptised. They can choose their own religion, or none at all. DS1 believed when he went to a catholic school, then stopped when he was no longer in a catholic school! (He only went to a catholic school because no childminders did the pick ups at the local no faith school!!!)

Sophia Me and DP had a good giggle there - will definitely make a note of the milestone .

Oscar has slept pretty much continuously since his jabs . He was awake for about an hour yesterday evening 7-8pm. Other than his feeds. Horsey I'll send some sleep over your way! We have enough to share!

Garden the babbling is wonderful isn't it. I love it when LO shouts ohhhhh at me. Bt laughing at the same time. So cute.. I remember it well from last time round and really need to saour these moments as they are the last time we will get all these firsts.

Dtective Got any grapes?

I only sell lemonade PR

Think I've missed a lot over night! LO didn't sleep til gone 1.30 after crying most of the evening, then didnt wake til 6.30 for a feed, then we all slept til 9.30! Feel better after a rubbish day yesterday

PR you poor thing you really aren't having much luck at the moment. So glad LO is ok, hope you feel better soon

Kirrin so sorry about your mum, and your mum Sophia x

Very funny to be going from willy talk to religious debate! I'm an atheist. I believe in nature and science, Richard Dawkins is one of my heroes. The rise of fundamentalism in the world frightens me, what with creationism being taught as a science in some states in America etc. A lot of religions seem to want to send the world backwards IMO.

Sorry stated rambling a bit there! Now to try and work out what fly is?!

There is a car by my mums house. Reg. AM1 FLY.

ROFL!

Or some variation. I forget the exact number/letter combo. But it makes me laugh!

No stunt am a slippers girl. So am hoping the Fly police don't pop by!

This morning I -

• have not got makeup on
• am still in bed
• have not had breakfast
• have an unshiny sink

Little pig did a poonami, then grinned for about 30 seconds. She looked so proud of herself. I have to say, I did not share the sentiment.

Is ok, the Fly police are obviously outside detective's mums house!

www.flylady.net

Here we are kissy implement idea, but pretty good

OMG, is it April fools?! Just read in the daily fail about an insurance firm called 'drive like a girl'. Sexist bastards! Are they suggesting is only girls that can drive safely?

I'm on my soap box today! Is anyone else finding getting around with a pushchair an absolute pain in the arse? I have found 2 stores in town already in which I can't access parts of the store because there is no lift/ramp. One is DP's work ffs! The media section is up a set of about 8 steps. The other is CEX, we use it a lot, and now I can't get upstairs which is where all the DVDs and CD's are. I only realised this the other day when I went to browse for some birthday presents for DS. I asked how I could get up there, and the guy said, well aren't you with someone. Well, yes, but why? Well they can go up there instead. Erm, well actually we wanted to pick some things together... not too much to ask is it?! Apparently so. The stairs in there are a death trap, winding, small, steep... you couldn't even carry a buggy up if you wanted to - not that I would. It is one of my biggest worries, carrying a buggy up the steps. MIL told me that last week one of the staff at hers and DP's work bought her 6 week old grandchild in, and decided to carry the pram up the aforementioned steps and the baby fell out of the pram . And the woman wanted to try and keep it from her daughter!!! What a knobber!

Oh, and when me and DP stopped for some lunch on Monday, I deliberately picked an area to sit in where we could keep the pram out of the way - as I always do when out, in fact I've been known to walk out of cafes or restaurants if it is too cramped for me to walk through with the pram. One of the staff came over and told me I needed to move it as it was in the way. It wasn't in the way of anything, it was tucked in next to my chair! It isn't exactly a mammoth pram either! She said we don't normally have prams in here. Really? A cafe that doesn't have prams? Maybe they don't come because they get an attitude from you?! I asked her where I should put it, and she said outside. I wouldn't leave it outside for obvious reasons. There are always some strange people who will rob anything, and lets face it, prams aren't cheap are they?! Anyway, I said if I had to leave it outside, I wouldn't be able to eat, as where exactly was I supposed to put the baby. A highchair she said. Really? An 8 week old baby. I felt so bloody welcome after that. If it hadn't of been snowing, and the baby due a feed, I'd of walked straight back out. I was fuming inside!

Glad I am not a wheelchair user, they must receive some shocking treatment.

detective I took the pram into a cafe for the first time on Sunday. I took every chair down on my way through. Luckily only one other person in there. I was mortified. Clearly more practice at navigating obstacles needed (or cafe was over-chaired )

afternoon ladies - finally caught up - think i need a personal assistant to read the posts to me as and when they appear and to dictate/type up responses - that way id remember everything i had to say to everyone!!!!

pr hope you and LO are ok - how very scary but like someone else said babies are bloody tough cookies!!

pr & detective got any glue??? that song is a complete brain worm but i love it and it makes a change dd1 singing that than bloody gangnam style!!!

i dont come from a religious family and due to my childhood ive never believed in god - in my teens i was desperate for something to believe in so looked at many religions (buddhism, taoism, spiritulism, hinduism) and there were bits of each i related to and understood but then other bits that contrdicted what i thought life was about so in the end decided i was an atheist - i believe everyone is responsible for their own actions and id like to believe that what comes around goes around - try and live your life to the best of your ability and be as caring and as tolerant of everyone. when my dc talk about god and say stuff like omg id tell them off but now we do omd (oh my dog) we believe in our choccie lab truffle lol. each to their own no one religion faith is better than any other.

i have a hhuge dilemma - i love my dh so very much but ive realised after 8years together that i cannot change him - every 3 months we have a row about the lack of help i get around the house etc... and in march when i start uni its going to get considerably worse - this morning it dawned on me when dd1 didnt have a clean shirt for school because no one but me puts a wash on and the front room is full of stuffing from a dog toy truff has demolished that nobody will pick up!!! we have a dog that no one walks so i pay a dog walker, we have chickens that no one will clean out or feed unless i remind them, i have to ask dh to boil the kettle for dotties ff at night and then i have to remind him to go and make the bottle up - and i cant do it any longer :(

the house needs so much work doing to it and its soooo full of clutter that i havent been able to invite friends over for the 8 years since ive lived here - in fact i dont have any friends for that reason.

im serioussly considering moving out so that its mine and the kids mess and i can then get a cleaner and someone to do the ironing while at uni - i still want to be with dh but without the pile of washing he leaves or nagging to get the house decorated. i need to lose masses of weight as does he but we have no motivation and just sit in of an evening munching on crisps and chocolate

i think if im to succeed with my degree i need to streamline my life and make sacrifices and then seee where we go in 3 years time - am i being too drastic???

Sounds like you need Flylady.net as well Glenda, it's perfect for decluttering when you've got into a state and can't see a way back out. My DH is the same, creates more mess than everyone else in the house. When he's away on business trips I tidy up the house and it stays tidy until 30 seconds after he gets home. We're trying to sell our house at the moment but we can't move, there's too much crap up in the loft and in the shed, we'd never shift it.

My biggest phobia is clutter apart from fish. I can't have it. If it doesn't get used, it goes.

In your situation, I'd hire a skip, and skip everything including DP that hasn't been used in the last year.

Then I'd hire a cleaner, and make DP do extra hours at work to pay for it. Unless of course he is willing to do waaaaaaaaaay more in the house.

Even DS isn't allowed clutter. His room is always tidyish. I have to be a crazy woman about it though. And there are lots of trips to the recycling depot dump with the amount I get rid of.

Must admit, sometimes I just long to be able to ignore it and live with it, but I've never been able to get past it!

I'm excited, baby massage this afternoon! First time!

Oscar is a happy bunny today! We DP just got his first giggle. Bastard! Why no mummy giggles?!

Detective we suffer the pushchair dilemma a lot. We have to be selective on which shops we go to as we can't fit down isles and through doors of some of them. We can't even take the girls in the pushchair to the doctors as we can't fit through the doors! We have to carry them in. I am screwed when I take them on my own.

I will be taking them out on my own for the fourth time next week. DT2 has another pediatrician appointment. I am so pleased to report to you all that she has not had another stopping breathing episode since she was 10 weeks old. Such a huge relief. The first 8 weeks of their lives was a very dark time for me. I was convinced something awful was going to happen to one of them.

Does any one have DC with green eyes? Both girls were born with blue eyes then DT2 eyes went a gun metal colour and now, at almost 4 months, they seem to be going green. When did the green in your DC eyes start showing? I am surprised both her eyes are going lighter as I am very dark olive skinned and DT2 seems to have my complexion with very dark hair. DP is very blonde with blue eyes so they seem to have a real mix of us both.

Oh and DT1 head smells of fruit salad and Playdoh! Smells divine!

Glenda - most of issues are overcomable. Dh is a hoarder. I am not. If he doesn't wear it in a while I take it down. If within three months he's not asked for it. It goes. Simple. Now I'm on mat leave I do all the dog walking. He claims he can't control two. I manage but to be honest I'm beyond arguing!! We've been together 10 years, he's always been the same. In fact when I was pregnant he used to have to do the cat litter. But I had to go on about it. I swear he can't smell it!!

I only clean my chooks out two or three times a year!

When I worked I had a cleaner. When I go back I'll hire another one. They are invaluable if you're busy and hate cleaning!!

I do love my dh though. He's massively supportive and while useless, he has many good points. For one he didn't divorce me when I went out, bought a new horse and never sold the old one!! He just shook his head......

Glenda I have no advice just to tell you I am in the same sad boat. A partner with no initiative who has to be told to do anything.

It makes you feel down in the dumps. Sorry you feel shit.

Men don't see mess in the same way, I swear. There can be balls of cat hair around the edge of the room, and dh will genuinely not see it. It has taken me 3 years and a lot of nagging to realise this.

We've just had another river of vomit incident. Has anyone else had similar probs? I'm not sure if it's mucus/cold related or reflux. Weirdly it happened at the exact same time as yesterday luckily she was in her cot after the same pattern of 30 minutes of crying for no reason...

Glenda it is much better than Gangnam Style and all the spoof versions that DD1 manages to find on youtube.

Sorry your DH is useless around the house. Mne whined about the mess in ours this morning but with one thing and another I haven't been able to get on top of everything. He has loads of knick knacks that he has kept for sentimental value, so have told him to clear them out or away by the weekend and then I will be able to dust. Ironically yesterday I deep cleaned the bathroom and the floors (polishing the wooden floor might have contributed to me slipping on it) so it's actually in a better state than usual.

Sooo tired. Ddn't sleep brilliantly last night despite the children sleeping well and I am hungry. The accident happened last night before dinner and so I haven't eaten since yesterday lunch when I just had a small sandwich. Nt even motivated to get dressed today my bloody back hurts too much. Need to pull myself together really. Tomorrow.

I've just posted a photo of a recipe card DP found at work. It's frickin' hilarious! What absolute thicko thought that one up?!! And who passed it as a recipe?!

This thread has been going exactly two days and it has 401 posts already. GT you need to start enforcing your rules on posting!