October 2012 babies - over here nobbers!

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This really will be the thread where all our babies start sleeping through the night... right?!

Hahahahha oh god, not exactly a good example of my tech skills - I can't even link properly!

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I just did 100 sit-ups.
And then rewarded myself with a chocolate croissant.
Hashtag what a nobber.

Gah blasted child napping for an hour and a half now and still going strong! Is this where I am going wrong? Can't bear to wake him up.

huffle my SIL started her DD on solids at 4 months. Apparently her health visitor said it was fine if the baby was hungry enough? Here they say you can introduce pureed fruit, vegetables, potatoes, meat/fish and infant cereals (without gluten) from 5 months, yoghurt from 6 months.

Was the croissant worth the sit ups London?!
I've just ordered 30 day Shred...that's got to be worth a pizza.

DS has been an angel today, even though I think he has a sore throat - his voice is a bit hoarse.
In fact, we had our first chuckles! 'twas the oinking like a pig what done it!

londonmrss at your chocolate crossiant eating!! that sounds like the kind of thing i would do too.
sympathies to those who did not get alot of sleep last night. we didnt get a fantastic amounr either.. but still managed to get a four hour block so i cant moan too much.
i have no routine in the day whatsoever is this a bad thing? she still sleeps alot to be perfectly honest but its never clockwork.. hmmm.
got a friend coming at 11 today. im currently half naked feeding DD, with no signs of stopping for a while. Joy.

oh and can anyone tell me the rest of this nursery rhyme!?
pattacake pattacake
bakers man
bake me a cake
as fast as you can....

Pat it and prick it
And mark it with B
And put it in the oven for baby and me!

Makes more sense than most of them........

Can I ask anyone's experience of expressing for slightly older babies?? Ive looked at various calculators to work out how much baby needs based on number of feeds or weight. Some variation but for sake if argument, 3.5-4.5 oz. with breast milk this apparently doesn't change much with age.

So why do I see babies with massive 7-8 oz bottles?? Is it totally different with formula?

Don't want to over feed him for comfort when I'm back at work and also, so much expressing would be needed to make 7 oz bottles......!!!

Me, me me........

huffle - don't work in ounces, sorry but it all depends how many feeds a day the baby is having. With bottle feeding it's easier to give them more spread over less feeds if they want that. Baby Fjord takes a litre or so spread over 4.5-5 feeds per day. 240ml per feed isn't rare. I think it works out as 7.5-8 oz per feed. Usually part breast then bottle to top up but if we're out it's all from a bottle. I take whatever I've expressed in a bottle & a carton of formula to top up after (you're not supposed to mix apparently).

Also huffle, I posted a day or 2 ago about the official guidelines in Norway now being 4.5 months for solids introduction. My doctor yesterday explained that this is just the odd 'taste' of different foods with the full wean still recommended at 6 months. There has been some major study apparently that shows babies who don't 'taste' different foods before 6 months end up being much fussier eaters and introducing foods at 4.5 months usually made for a baby more laid back about trying & eating different things.

Hi everyone else! Check in later. In mad hurry post feed...

huffle check out Kellymom - there's a handy calculator on the website. I have the ameda pump too and love it - used it with ds1until we stopped bfing when I got pg.

ds2's having a weird day where he's refusing to feed. he does this every now and then and it's not exactly going to help our cause on Friday when we go to see the doctor for his check and I have a defend my decision not to get his tongue tie cut. gah contrary child. I was so expecting to have another massive baby who fed constantly - ds1 was enormous and fed 2hourly round the clock until he was over 7 months old. where did this scrawny milk refuser come from? he was bigger than ds1 at birth too, which makes it more confusing.

on that note, livvy I wanted to say I don't think your nights are abnormal in any way. it may just be something you have to grit your teeth and ride out.

we're flying away on hols on Saturday. kind of excited, kind of stressing about unsettling both boys. going to stay with my dad on the continent who lives in quite a noisy flat. ho hum.

and definitely planning on waiting til 6m for solids! I'm a big fan of baby led weaning so we'll be doing that again - not really possible before 6m!

Thankyou Huffle!!! I've been trying to work out the rest of it all week

x-posted with fjord hmm that's interesting about tastes. I wonder what the evidence is like. I'm dubious cos ds1 ate everything with gusto until he hit one, then got a bit fussy, them improved until recently he's become fussy again. honestly I can't see how giving him a few bits and bobs before 6m could've changed that pattern? I think his issue now is about control, and the blip at a year was something to do with the developing sense of taste. or something. all sciencey, me

I'm with crazypaving - no need to start solids before 6mo. In fact their digestion isn't really set up for anything except milk until then. Solids don't fill them up at that stage, so there's really nothing to be gained from the oh-so-tedious pureeing and squirting fruit purée into their mouths. Never understood why people are so keen to do it early.

I would, though, recommend to all you ladies that you start giving them vitamin D drops from 6mo onwards. The link between vit D deficiency and MS is now pretty strong, and other diseases are implicated too. (Removes stern hat)

yomping I am using m&s and shock absorber bras for running.

Trying to find some sort of mummy and baby yoga classes, what do you do at them, are babies doing any moves(with assistance obv!) or ate they just 'there'?

Thanks peeps for responses on weaning age. I'm hoping for the baby led weaning route, give them the food and see what they do with it! And in no hurry either. Will see how it goes. Don't want a fussy eater, who knows if age influences this?!

Thanks fjord for your bottle info. I guess my confusion is that DS still has 7-9 feeds per day. Makes sense to have 7oz plus if 4-5.

DS is asleep in pram on front path........ I live in v quiet cul de sac with lots of oldies but I hav been hovering by front door for over an hour! Back of house has no sun and bloody freezing!

Cannot relax, going to bring him in. Bet he wakes instantly or bloody phone goes!

To be pefectly honest I was just going to start weaning when it seems that boobies arent enough. Is that what baby led weaning is? God i have no knowledge. I might give her chunks of cold cucumber after 6 months for her to chow down on for teething... Or is that bad?

would someone cleverer than me please explain what baby led weaning is? is it where you just plonk food in front of them and let them play and smell and taste rather than pureeing so it's a bit more sensory? or have I totally got the wrong end of the stick? can you combine both types of weaning? am I a complete idiot for not knowing anything?

London am on phone so can't link, but there's a whole website dedicated to baby led weaning. there's also a book, but if you're interested get the cookbook cos it gives you all the info you need.

it basically is the idea that you don't need to feed babies yourself or puree food - if you start when they're ready, ie able to sit unsupported and bring things to their mouths - they can do all the hard work. it means they eat at their own pace and take as much as they need rather than eating too much too soon. they can gag a lot, which can be nerve-wracking, so I'd go on an infant resus course if you're interested so you know the difference between gagging and choking. actually, I'd go on an infant resus course regardless cos it's really important!!

it's messy (I had no idea how much mess a baby can make with a single piece of broccoli!) but not pureeing food is a total result! just cook what you're having so it's soft and with no salt.

hope that made sense. on phone typing left handed...

So, had my physio appointment today. She said that I shouldn't be running for at least 6 more weeks, even though my PELVIC FLOOR is in very good shape.

Don't know what to do. I'm sick of contradictory advice all the time!

Londonmrss I'd never heard of either until this lot were discussing on antenatal thread. And your description is how I understand it too!! Makes sense to me! I did buy said book at time and have no idea where I put it.......

Bora, did she say why?

october I went to a baby yoga class, it was mainly songs with movements for baby, like grand old duke of York while moving her legs like shes marching (laid down obv). Also some stretches for us while baby watched... It was really good actually and gave me some ideas of things to do with her at home which is always good.

Interesting about the baby led weaning, I always thought that just meant waiting until they seem interested in food. Think I read somewhere if waiting till after 6 months you should also give iron suppliments as well as vit d. Don't know if anyone else heard this? A lady at one of me mum and baby groups was ref to hospital for something else entirely with her 4mo and was told she should wean then so there is a lot of confusing info out there. Our children's centre does a weaning thing once a month so will try and get to that at some point I think, 6 months is gonna come round awful quick...

crazy, my non-cut tongue tie buddy, DS has been having exactly the same kind of day. It started last night with 3-5 mins each side, kicking, fussing, screaming that silent, ragey scream. I was so upset - he hasn't put any weight on in a week and I'll inadvertently having him weighed three weeks running: clinic last week, check up this week and there the GP virtually insisted i get him weighed next week :(

And just now, during another difficult, fussy five minute feed, he did the biggest poo. It just kept coming out like some kind of yellow frothy Slush Puppie. Four nappies, and every time i cleaned him up he did more. So i dunno, maybe your DS has a similar thing - needs to make room?

yomping she said because your pelvic floor needs at least that time to be able to withstand the extra force. This is particularly so if you're breastfeeding. If you're breastfeeding (which I am) she said ideally you shouldn't start up again until you finish, as low oestrogen levels mean that things are still loose. After she heard my derisive snort, she said she understood that I would find it hard to wait until after I'd finished BF (running really is 'my thing') and so said I should hold off as long as I can.

I cannot hold off and I am going I continue, as long as I'm asymptomatic.

Additionally, she said that we should only be doing specific antenatal Pilates, as certain exercises in regular could put undue pressure on your PELVIC FLOOR.