Still brooking no argument whatsoever that these babies are happy, healthy and awesome for 2013 too.

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eh. attempt at new thread. yo.

dream I have used you as an experiment and added your name change version. Looks like I can have more than one version if a posters name on my mates list at thevsame time.

Sorry my typing is shit - the layout on my new phone is totally different!

Yes as far as I know just the first day. I explained to the nursery teacher after 2 accidents on thurs that we sometimes have to just take him for a wee, even if he claims not to need. Was nice that he managed ok today.

It is strange not knowing what he's been doing all afternoon, usually I can just find out from DH!

Yay jaggy I can see them now!! Totally gorgeous, I love those pj's :)

My boys were weighed today too- 19lb4 for s and 20lb2 for b, so he has overtaken his brother!

Right if I can stay awake I'll add some more. I'm in bed in my pjs hoping to catch up on some sleep if DS 2 ever does.

Wow Dream - great weights! And DD will not get croup. We are definitely brooking no argument with that.

Glad to know there's other Green Gables fans here! I re-read the entire series recently (on my phone - 50p download) while holding a napping DS. :)

I really don't know what to think about different sleep training methods. Need to read up on cc a bit anyway. But I don't think I'll have the patience or stamina for pu/pd all night, and I can't help thinking that if I'm there, DS won't understand why I'm not feeding him, and will cry harder to try to get me to do so. At least if I'm just popping in he won't think I'm somehow tantalising him! (Not that I was planning to hang over the cot with my boobs out, obviously - you know what I mean. )

Jaggy yay for no accidents or tears! Gorgeous pyjama pic too!

Hello still here lurking. Have had a terrible lurgy which has just gone on and on. Think I've slept for 30 hours out of the last 48 due to DH taking night shifts then my m and d doing an emergency dash over yesterday plus we had the nanny today. Finally feeling a little better today ignoring the fact I felt fine on Monday and had a massive relapse later in the week Think it was fly closely followed by norovirus. Nice.

dream I think all sleep training works but the more hardcore approaches work quicker. Good luck with whatever you choose. Croup sounds hideous. One of the lo on the Dec 11 thread has just come down with it and another mum has been diagnosed with whooping cough. Frightening.

jaggy I can't see your photos. Add me please! Glad your DS1 has settled in ok. They adjust so quickly and even if they cry at drop off they are usually fine as soon as you've left.

scream oh my dear. I'm thinking of you lots and hope you are ok throughout all the upheaval of going home.

ninja brooking for your dad. It's amazing how the prognosis has improved from not too long ago.

Right got to dash dinner ready bit back later as I'm sure I've forgotten loads

Just had a nose at the pictures Jaggy, they're gorgeous! Love the PJs too :)

Ninja, brooking for your dad - glad you had kind of good news - and glad he's feeing better about it!

Scream, thinking about you lots lovely.

Pet, congratulations on choosing a childminder! How many days a week will you be working? I like the idea of a family setting too - if Iz ends up with a childminder I think I'd pick the same. I like the idea of learning social skills etc while there - so at least she'd be benefitting in some way when I couldn't be looking after her iykwim!

Dream, fabulous weights! Brooking lots for your DD not to get it - you deserve some good luck. Please let us know more about the disappearing chair method!

In terms of sleep training: Iz was doing much much better for a few days in between cold and teething, but has now gone downhill because of the teething. I often leave her to cry a little bit before going in (can tell if it's really distressed crying as apposed to just-trying-to-resettle crying), and sometimes she goes back to sleep - but it's happening less now she's teething again. Sigh. I'm going to cut back the feeds again, but the last two nights have been so bad I've had her in with us a lot of the night, as it's been the only way to keep her calmer and happier. That said, in between cold and teething, and before she got the cold, she was sleeping a lot better... so I'm hoping it is all teeth related, and once the next one's popped through she'll be happier again.

Also a huge Anne of Green Gables fan. I have the whole set at my parents' somewhere, but I bet it's hidden in the loft... may have to look it up on Kindle with the vouchers I got for Christmas .

Right, time to get arranging some music.... must stop avoiding it :(

Great weights Dream. B is the same weight as N :)

N had her 7-9 month review yesterday. All fine apart from her sleeping, I've been advised to do cc and nearly said that some of my brooking ladies have had great success with it. As there is a tooth just starting to come through I'm going to wait until after it comes through properly to start and then fingers crossed I'll get more than the current 3-4 hours sleep a night.

Raaboonah brooking that your illness goes away completely overnight

Hey all. Things starting to settle here. Ds2 bronchiolitis came back but we avoided hospital this time. His cough is finally easing and he slept from 7.35 pm to 5.40 am, fed then slept till 9.22am so hoping his sleep will soon be back to normal.

Hv weighed him last weds and although he is big I didn't realise just how big till I read the weights some of you mentioned above. He was exactly 17 weeks when she weighed him and he was 18lb 2oz! That was 9 days ago, so probably close to 19lb now! Is big all over, big head, big body, very long, and is just about ready to move into 9-12 month clothes as his legs and neck to crotch length are so long!

Re brokers ttc again, I'd like to next jan as an oct birthday would slot in nicely (although must be v slim odds of falling pregnant first month of trying 3 times and would be happy with a nov/dec b' day just as much :) )

Re cc never done it myself. Ds1 has v bad reflux and would empty his stomach within 30 seconds of crying if we ever tried to leave him. Had to either put him down asleep or sit and hold his hand or have a hand on his chest or rock him on his mattress to get him to settle. As he got older we used a Winnie the Pooh projector. Eventually he started to self settle again (used to do it when v small) and he has used teddy rags for a long time to help him get to sleep. Hoping ds2 doesn't lose his ability to self settle as he is so good at the moment!

Rubber - there's a 7-9 month review?! Haven't had that - haven't heard anything from the HVs! Then again, I've been avoiding the HVs like the plague after hearing so many bad things about them here. I know Iz is growing and putting on weight, so haven't bothered...

Also, I've heard that a lot of HVs are told to recommend CC. I'm not holding that against them, but apparently ALL the ones my mum friends here have seen were told it - as if on script. One was told that if they Calpoled up their unhappy teething baby they should still do CC... which my friend was outraged at! I think there are lots of options and lots can work, and it's all down to the right one for the right family and the right baby - but pushy HVs annoy me. Which is why I haven't been to see one for ages. I expect to get told off when I do eventually go!

Loopy, I was thinking Dec/Jan time for ttc . Would probably take us some time again though. Also need to convince DH - he wants another, but isn't sure about a 2/2.5yr age gap, although I think that would be nice. Probably because I have that with my brother, but him and his sister have nearer a 3.5 gap. Anyway, as I keep pointing out to him, it might take us some time again...

Also glad to hear DS is a bit better, though sorry the bronchitus returned :(

Done raa only one new one added since months ago though. :)

Am still catching up on the thread but I also love Anne of Green Gables! Wanted to say that you can get them free from www.gutenberg.org and www.gutenberg.net.au. For some reason Anne of Windy Poplars and Anne's House of Dreams are only available from the Australian site, but that site also has all the other LM Montgomery books such as the Emily of New Moon series and Pat of Silver Bush plus lots of stand-alone titles that I'd never heard of before I found that site.

I have all my Anne and Emily books (think I nearly had the series) in a safe place at my parents house too. Compulsory reading for my girls, along with Little Women!

I also loved the chalet school books and had lots but I leant them to someone and never got them back. They're now out of print!!

The Chalet School! Little Women! Pomme we are literary soul mates! I have a super old (early 20th century) copy of Heidi, that I still read every couple of years. Love it.

There's a 7 - 9 month review?!?! I hadn't heard anything about that!?! That could be because we only went to the hv twice, the last visit Autumn was less than 16 weeks old I believe.

Pomme, I am a massive Chalet School geek and have electronic transcripts of some of them if you want. Also, Girls Gone By are republishing them slowly and you can find them on Amazon. They cost around £10-12 each, mind, but they are unabridged, unlike the Armada editions I had as a kid.

The hv can advise whatever they want but they're just a nurse with scales, it doesn't mean its the right thing!! Mine did specifically say it doesn't have to be cc, any 'behaviour modification' method is fine. Yes, there's meant to be a 9 ish month review and a 2 year ish review. Hv has done the boys 9 month one but didn't even ask about DD, though DD wanted to be weighed too as she'd watched the boys so she did her weight. Think DD was disappointed not to lie in it just like her brothers, she had to stand on it with the baby bit off of course!!

Had an afternoon off today, been bollywood dancing in Manchester for a friends hen do. Was so good to have a break!! Good fun too.

I've seen about the 7-9month review in the red book. I see HV at a baby group but don't have to have anything to do with her if I don't want to. Apart from that haven't seen my HV at home since DD 10 days old cause they kept sending the bank one who I decided I didn't like and she had a definite sense of humour failure!
The bollywood dancing always looks good fun

Ooooo Too pretty please can I have a copy of the transcripts please?! I'll pm you my email address if you don't mind?

Thanks for the HV info ladies! I'll call my HV on Monday, seeing as DD is 9 months old at the end of the month. I'm curious about her weight and height anyway, mainly because she eats soooooo much but still seems pretty skinny for a baby. She's 18.5lbs according to my home scales, but those aren't particularly reliable.

So glad Dream had a lovely afternoon off!

Omg we should have a private lending library just for us! Too I was looking for electronic versions of the Emily books - thanks! And I love Heidi! And what about The Little Princess and Eight Cousins? So many happy memories. :)

Raa you poor thing. Hope you're truly on the mend now.

Dream glad you had a good time. Clearly a few hours off duty was just what the doctor ordered. Though possibly your own doctor might not have enjoyed it so much, since presumably he was on duty?

Musical I'll be working 3 days. :( Hope Iz's sleeping improves again pronto.

I've never read or heard of Anne of Green Gables. I'm intrigued now though and will look it up.

T is having his first proper night if misbehaving, and I'm not coping well :(

Aw Stacks , hope you're both asleep now. If need be, hand T to DH for a bit and walk away. You'll get through this, and hopefully catch up on some sleep tomorrow. 'Anne' is a famous children's book. Enjoy!

DS slept in his own bed until 2am! With one resettle after bed at 7.30! But he is now very unsettled so calpol has been administered. Am feeding for the third time since 2 and hoping to get him back into his own bed shortly.

Transfer fail. And the cat has just been sick on my best rug and again by my feet. Yuck.

T slept from 3:15-5:30, then 6-7:30. Now refusing to sleep again after feeding. He's not crying, and wasn't last night, just huffing and puffing and kicking his wee legs around. I would have liked a morning nap, but DH is sleeping. He got a bit more sleep than me last night, but not much I guess.

Hope others had a good night. Did you get DS back into his bed in the end Pet?

Of course, Scream, PM me your email address and I'll whack them over.

Pet, yay for DS sleeping in his own bed until 2, but oh no to transfer fail and cat sick. Eight Cousins and A Little Princess are also on the Project Gutenberg website - enjoy! Have you read Rose In Bloom, the sequel to Eight Cousins?

Stacks, I'm sure you coped beautifully! What was T doing?

Dream, Bollywood dancing sounds like fun!

M has a really bad cough. She coughed and coughed and coughed last night - didn't cry, but I got up to feed her anyway because she sounded so bad. DH is going to take her to the doctor tomorrow morning just to be sure she's ok.

T just won't sleep. He's obviously exhausted, but since about 5pm yesterday he'll not sleep more than a minute or two really (he did have a longer nap on me last night, maybe 9-11, but with lots of waking up through it, so I couldn't take him off my chest). He'll feed when put to the breast, but isn't really giving many feeding cues, he may feed to 'sleep' or just feed till he pulls off and stares into space.
I can cuddle or jiggle him to sleep, but then he just wakes up again. No jumping or crying or windy looking behaviour - he just gently opens his eyes and yawns and is awake again. He's been laying between us now in bed sleeping for the last 30 minutes, however in that time he's woken up 4 times, stated into space, then closed his eyes again.

It's not really bad behaviour (especially just now as he's not needing any jiggling) but I just don't get what's wrong. He and I are both so tired, what's so bad about sleeping? He did sleep properly a little last night, but not his usual 3.5hr blocks (I realise I've been spoilt by his previous good sleeping behaviour). I just don't think he's had enough to be happy himself.