Still brooking no argument whatsoever that these babies are happy, healthy and awesome for 2013 too.

[jaggythistle]

eh. attempt at new thread. yo.

Have signed up for biscuits, hopefully they'll take pity on my 6am start + baby tale of woe.

Not you biscuits - just biscuits

Ninja, I was 'lucky' in that they weren't looking for cance, so I didn't know I was waiting for the results. Still, it was hard enough.

Stacks, I live near Gorebridge. I would love to meet you! I don't know anyone with a new baby either, not really. I met a few people at groups but never got to the point of ever going for coffee with anyone. Right now M will look enormous next to T, but they'll be in the same school year. How weird is that?

Ninja, Brooking really hard for your dad.

I had a big fat fail as a mother this morning. M woke up at 4, grizzled for a bit and then started crying. I got up, patted her, shushed her and went back to bed. She was quiet for maybe 5 mins, then started again. I was determined not to pick her up because I didn't want to wreck the sleep training effort. She was warm enough, no temperature and I couldn't smell any poo, and besides, she hardly ever fills her nappy at night. This went on until 5.40 when I finally gave in and picked her up - in that period she slept for short snatches of maybe 10-20 mins, grizzled, howled and generally expressed her discontent. As soon as I lifted her I could smell that she had a dirty nappy. She was so angry and tired and upset that she howled like a banshee and struggled while I changed it. By the time I'd finished feeding her it was time to get up for work. So I am knackered, but it's all my own fault because I didn't realise she was smelly and uncomfortable. Plus her poor little bottom was all red! [bad lazy mother emoticon]

Argh, not a temperature below 38 even after Calpol and two babies with croup. Luckily steroids are on board now so fingers crossed. Not sure what's causing dds high temperature.

Brooking for your dad ninja stressful waiting, I hope its not long, as stacks says maybe it'll be quicker than you think.

Dream croup sounds horrid. In 'Anne of Green Gables' it was a serious illness - presumably not with modern medicine? Hope the temps drop all round.

Gen I'm new - joined the thread when DS was a few weeks (or days? Can't remember) old. He's 9 months now. :)

Ninja my mum was diagnosed with breast cancer just after DS was born. She'd finished her treatment within 2 months, I think, and is hopefully clear now. No brooking that your dad is fine, or any illness is quickly and successfully dealt with.

It's mostly not now but dh says for a minority it'll still be severe enough to need to be intubated and ventilated!! I loved Anne of Green Gables pet :)

Was the shortest diagnosis ever (though i did know what it was when I took him to the doctor's) - the doctor called his name, and as soon as we got near him he said "croup then?" . His breathing was pretty crap, poor little tike. And he said his larynx is very swollen. I've got the night dread now. dh has even said he'd consider ringing in sick if he had had too little sleep to make important decisions. That's major. He's not had a day off sick in 7 years!!!

Dream, sorry to hear of continued illness, but glad you have the good drugs now.

Pet, it's lovely to meet you!

Too, I have done the same when DD was little and I was doing sleep training. Don't feel bad, you didn't mean to leave her like that.

Ninja, I am brooking like mad for your dad. I'm no expert but I think the prognosis for prostate cancer is usually pretty good, although I hope it is not that of course.

Stacks, I'm glad you are getting some BF support and that's brilliant re T's weight gain! E was slightly shy of his birthweight at 10 days and will be weighed tomorrow, so I'm hoping he will be over it. He's still a bit jaundiced though, so I hope that clears up soon too.

kind of good news from my dad. doc thinks the antibiotics may have given a skewed blood test and enlarged his prostate so back for a wee test in a month and blood test in 7 weeks. bless him, he sounded so relieved. fingers crossed for the next couple of months to be ok.
dream hope you all manage some sleep and everyone is better soon
has anyone else seen an American series called fringe? we've been watching it and I'm totally getting addicted to it! total sci-fi nonsense but very watchable

Really hope that's all it's been ninja

Sci fi nonsense sounds right up our street...

Aaaagggh Dream poor you! Yes your DH definitely needs to take the day off sick if necessary. You cannot be doing the night shift for 3 poorly DC on your own and he cannot possibly do his job in the right frame of mind if he's been up all night. His absent record is pretty amazing considering his line of work. Our GP is off sick with viruses a lot.

What a relief Ninja. Have some to de-stress. Cancer has had a huge impact on us in our house and although it's not at the forefront anymore it's always in our minds. So pleased all looks to be ok.

The BFing sounds positive Stacks. Apart from the pain obviously. I meant to say the other day there's absolutely no way you've failed if there's a poor latch at 2 weeks old. Your DS is doing so well having out weight on already and a latch can take a while to perfect. I don't think my DD ever perfected it at all and she was still having BFs until she was 7 months. He'll learn if you're able to persevere and keep patience with it.

Scream I'm missing your regular posts I know you're busy but I hope you're ok and are getting plenty of RL support. Good to hear A is settling in well at nursery.

Jaggy how did DS1 get on today?

I'm No Brooking my very hardest for Ninja's Dad. I hope the wait is brief and it's not what you fear.

Thanks for all the kind words about my current stresses. Sometimes it all feels a bit surreal to be honest, like it must be someone else's marriage falling apart, it can't be mine. So deluded I know. I was particularly comforted by Stacks though, and how happy you are now after coming through a difficult first marriage. Thank you for mentioning it, it reminds me that leaving DH doesn't automatically mean I'll be single forever!

Also no brooking for the croupy members of the Dream household. You poor thing!! (((hugs))) When oh when will the universe give you a break?!?! I think you're owed a jackpot lottery win at this point! You're such an amazing Mum, don't forget that. You know what's best for your DC, so trust your instincts. Don't lose sight of your own needs at the same time though. Trying DD out at nursery should only happen if/when you think it's right, but your own sanity should be factored into the decision. It's not selfish to think of your own needs when deciding what's best for your family as a whole, I genuinely believe a happy Mum creates a happy home.

My next comment isn't meant for Dream specifically, I just want to say to the thread in general that I spent months avoiding cc because I wanted DD to feel safe and secure knowing that I would always come when she called. All that happened is she woke every hour and cried out to check I was around, she wasn't feeling safe and secure at all even though I would always come within seconds. After 3 weeks of cc I've now found that even if DD isn't tired when I put her to bed she doesn't cry. She will sit happily playing in her cot until I come to check on her 5 minutes later. She finally feels safe and secure, knowing that I will always be back shortly, and she'll be fine in the mean time. Although I say she now sleeps through, because she doesn't cry or fuss in the night anymore, it's obvious she must wake up occasionally because in the morning she'll be in a totally different part of the cot. Yesterday morning I found her lying on top of her open bedtime story book (a board book which I'd left at the opposite end of the cot). It looks as though she woke in the night, crawled over to her book, opened it up and fell asleep on it! All without crying or fussing, which I think shows confidence and being comfortable on her own. (It's also soooo cute that she tried to put herself back to sleep ). So I'm just saying that sometimes things can help in a way you never expected!

Can't remember anything else I wanted to respond to right now. Will hopefully come back on later.

Gah, I spent so long picking up and putting down that last post that I've x-posted with loads of people! Hurray for initial good news from Ninja's dad, I'm keeping up the no brooking for the just-in-case tests coming up though.

Also I meant to say that Too shouldn't feel guilty about M! It can be really hard to tell when a nappy needs changing. I keep waking DD up by starting to change her nappy only to discover it's just wind and I've pissed her off for no reason! (She shares her Mother's lack of patience with avoidable errors )

Can I add an extra pat on the back for Jaggy, Too and all other working No Brookers. Little A has had 10am appointments everyday this week, and I always seem to get us there late! I cannot imagine if she was still not sleeping, plus I had to be somewhere earlier than ten, PLUS I had to do actual work on arrival Sounds mind-boggling. I'm in trouble in May...

Oh yes! Just remembered - yay for Anne of Green Gables! That was my first thought on reading croup as well!

Stacks hurray for excellent weight gain!

Jaggy that pic of your gorgeous boys is INSANELY cute! So incredibly sweet!!

Oh yeah, forgot to update about DS1. No tears today! He is so tired with the nursery at exactly his usual sleeping time though.

scream I do love that photo. DS1 doesn't sit still very often but was so excited about the new pyjamas that he did!

God dream I do not envy you croup x 2. Dd1 had several croup attacks between 8 months and 2 years and they were so scary. I'd sleep on the floor by her bed to listen to her breath and then wake her up when it was bad. One time she had a heart rate of 170 with it and retraction but steroids were magic and worked within the hour.

Here all ok. Manic and we are all shattered but girls and I off today and we have survived! I will try and update more later!

I get to finish early on a Friday scream I'd like to think I might get a nap when I get in as DS1 will be at nursery, but Ipredict I will be either feeding and playing with DS2 while DH does stuff, or tidying up myself.

Hoping DS1 is ok at nursery again today, also hoping we don't need the spare trousers! DH spotted he'd had an accident as he dropped him off and when we picked him up he'd had another, so had on spare jeans from nursery. He is a lot worse for accidents when he's tired so I thought he might struggle. :(

I was on time for work today for the first time this week!

I have to stay awake for a 1 hour training session in a meeting room later though....

Where'd you all go? I'm doing my catch up while expressing and it's all gone quiet! :)

morning all, just back from the school run and having a .
pomme lovely to see you, hope all is well?
scream life sounds hectic for you too lovey. Glad to hear about A's sleeping but sorry re you and dh. You sound like a strong and together lady so if it does come to separation, you'll be an absolute catch for someone when you're ready.
How are things in the dream house today?
And biscuits if you're lurking we miss you, hope you are well.
Off into town in a bit to buy all the things i forgot yesterday then ds has a pizza express party tonight after school. I should really tidy and vacuum but can't be arsed.

B much better after the steroids. We slept with a baby each last night. DD seems much perkier this morning so fx all improving.

Off to look at jaggys photo

Right, I've chosen a childminder. Was close between 2. Hope I've made the right decision! One was Ofsted 'good' and had impressive paperwork. She was clearly educated and I liked her. But in the end I went for the Ofsed 'satisfactory', who I really liked, as DS will be with two 2 year olds (her daughter and a boy) during the day and hopefully enjoy their company. I fear there may be more TV and fewer books than I'd like, but I decided I could accept that. I think it will be good for DS to be part of a 'family' rather than the sole focus all day.

Dream glad your 3 are on the mend. Did DH call in sick?

Scream I appreciate your comments about A feeling more secure now she can self-settle. I am seriously considering CC. I'd like to wait until DS produces some teeth, just in case that's causing the disrupted sleep, but tbh if things aren't better by half term I'm going to have to try some sleep training cos I'll be back to work after that. And I think pu/pd might take forever and make DS cross and confused. Either way, his desire to be attached to my nipple all night is not good for either of us!

Jaggy how did DS1 get on today?

was just coming on with an update pet :)

DS1's key worker says he had a good day today. he played outside a lot (came home filthy! ) and spare trousers not required today, yay! he won't sit down for story time, but she's going to work on that and thinks he'll get the hang of it. today's snack was cereal so he was v happy. he is shattered so going to try and get him in bed by 6.30.

DS2 will no doubt try to stay up till 10 as usual. need to get him reprogrammed!

pet, well done on choosing a cm. Hard choices at the best of times. I saw the dreaded hv today. She says you can do any method of sleep training and it will work if you are consistent. She recommends the 'disappearing chair' and is sending me info. Basically you aim to not pick up and just reassure in the cot. She says croup will take at least 10 days to go fully, but after that I will try. Eek! I still can't face cc, and tbh after talking to her my skim reading of the baby whisperer was too skimmed I think , think we did too much comforting and you're not supposed to jig at all. I thought you could jig them to calm them down so long as you didn't jig them to sleep... Anyway, I will actually properly read up on a method and try it first, before turning to cc because I still can't bear the thought of them crying themselves to sleep :( . Plus it might just be him, I was (am) a poor sleeper and only slept through when i went to school, even 29 years ago my parents never made the decision to let me cry and I was up 2-3 times every night, so I know they'll sleep eventually, i just need to be patient. Though I will try to stop feeding.my mum claims she didn't feed me in the night from about this age... I think little A was a bit different too scream as she drinks in the day so not hungry and could and did self settle for others like when you dh and mum had her. S can at bedtime,sometimes, but that's it, and never been better.

DD sounding really hoarse tonight, please don't let her get croup... Nervous now you said your DD1 had had it older pomme, its so traumatic!!

Yay for him settling in so well at nursery jaggy! And he did well to have no accidents. So only cried that first day then?

2 weeks til my mum is on holiday and the nanny finishes. Double whammy. Oh joy.