November 2012 - come on stragglers, we're waiting for you

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P can take over an hour to feed as well. Some of that time is spent settling her back to sleep though.

Telly is appealing when she is being a moaning minny

vq Stirling was a lovely bright place today. No apologies for swearing either. I am very much more polite on t'internet than in real life. I live a wee swear

Good luck pikz I found it less uncomfortable straight away but frustrating trying to get him to latch "properly" every time, as he wasn't used to it.

I feed A in bed - sitting up & reading my kindle or MNing at the mo, so I get his latch right, but before, laying down.

kirrin I'd be fuming!!!

Apple & other 4wk-ers - I don't really do crying, but I keep getting really pissed off with DH as I feel like I'm doing it all re childcare etc. Shouldn't really get so cross but it drives me potty!!!

Feeding is improving. Taking slightly longer & still every 2hrs or so, but at least its not a 7min feed followed by falling asleep as such hard work, then waking up for more 15mins later etc for hours! He's satisfied after a 15-30min feed all in one go :)

We survived the visit!! Although absolutely knackered now. M had a trip out for brekkie this morning and was brilliant. Slept the whole time. We went for a walk afterwards and I thought I'd bust my stitches. bad MM1 must stop trying to do too much

Will try and catch up later. I'm on the first shift for night feeds tonight

Mm - I thought I'd bust mine. I just popped one stitch. Never mind it looks ok.

Yw and pass - I use grow bags. I'd wake up and fine e with no blankets over him. Little wriggly baby,

Chunky - glad feeding seems better

Vq - glad your day is better

Apple - wondered where you were. It'll get better.

Kirrin - I'd have killed him!!

Evil - no idea about teeth sorry. I know they can get them from 3 months and can show signs weeks before.

Hugs to others having weepy days.

MN has gone weird on the mobile site. It's listing all my threads in a random order...

Hope all the poorly babies are getting better.

Well done mm1 im impressed you survived!

chunky thank you. He's sticking his tongue out all the time which is making us laugh. He's still not fully breast feeding but he managed a latch at the clinic today which is ace as he couldn't even do that before. It's going to take lots of patience for him to learn so express feeding him will need to continue for a while

To kirrin and all others feeling blue, I go through swings and roundabouts with it. I wonder how I ever held down my job and managed a team as I feel in constant chaos. I dream of 8 hours sleep. I cried the last two days a lot but seem a lot better today. Am just going to take each day as it comes. Hugs to you all xx

Go Pikz! am glad it went well. Jonas had his tongue tie cut and you'd never know now - he's a consummate piggy when it comes to both boob and bottle. You'll be surprised how quick he picks it up.

apple I've not given J anything except copious amounts of breast milk when he demands it (always) It's one of those things where I don't think it's bad enough to see a GP (of course if anything worsens I will) there is no fever opened he's feeding, weeing, pooing and he's not breathless just sounds very mucousy and the cough sounds chesty. Anyway as I was saying not something if see a GP about but if he were old enough I wouldn't think twice about a low dose of paracetamol to make him feel a bit more comfortable.

I think it shall be a long night, and I have to do food shopping tomorrow

Yw - thanks for your post. I'm Honestly ok. I love ds to pieces, and I'm ok pottering about. I just need to make sure when I feel myself wobbling I actively sort it!!

Today I have stuff in top of our normal stuff and I feel better for it!

I've found myself very teary and irritable the past few days. I think it's just exhaustion. I'm sooo tired but totally loved up with my little family! Today I cried because I don't want her to grow up...

kirrin grr to him! I'd be fuming too. Hope he makes it upto you.

Dd is fussing on and off the boob again, think she's tired really. In bed now think she's slowly dropping off. Really hope ds has a better night otherwise he'll have to sleep on the sofa with dh.

chunky my mobile app is not working at all again. Stupid app upgrade! Been messed up since then.

Teething! At 2 months. Wow

Got out for brunch and a bitch session with my bestie. Lots of fun. But got home n locked out. Not good!

LO has been asleep all day apart from half hour in tesco n half our when I was trying to cook.

Still wondering how long to leave him before waking for a feed. I assure u wen u wake in morning and look at watch to realise LO has been sleeping for quite some time , first thing u do is PANIC check he is breathing , warm to touch and moves when u poke him. And then b thankful for the sleep u got while trying to push back the panic.
Could it b a growth spurt at 8 weeks?

kirrin sorry that sounds like a rubbish day.

I had a bit of rubbish day too an have ended up very deflated and teary

the midwife came and freaked me out today, not her fault but it's upset me.
When oran was born he had a funny shaped head which is quite normal and common. We were told the lump on his head was a 'Caput Succedaneum' and due to pressure while being born. We were told repeatedly by midwives and the doctors it would be between a few days and 2 weeks to go away and nothing to worry about.
However today he had his day 5 check and the midwife and she said it was a 'Cephalo hematoma' not a 'Caput Succedaneum'. That it will take months to go away. This is a different thing and seems potentially a slightly more serious birth injury with more risk of complication or so Dr google says. I'm now pretty upset and freaked out as this is very different from what we were told in the hospital.

detective do you know anything about the difference between 'Cephalo hematoma' and 'Caput Succedaneum' and if we should ask the hospital to check which he has?

Sorry to hear that some peeps are feeling a bit low. It's like a roller coaster ride! Today in terms of mood I'm on a high. Managed to even go for a walk with the pram albeit I couldn't be bothered to change so just out a coat over my night shirt and some leggings!

Well breastfeeding is a bit strange... My left boob is now pain free and works like a dream after a bout of mastitis . However LO for some reason doesn't latch into right boob properly which I think has led to nipple blanching. I get severe stabbing shooting pains after a feed for like an hour :( Today I have been expressing my right breast to feed. So every other feed has been with a bottle. She takes both well but am a little worried that the increase in bottle will confuse her or she might become lazy... Hmmm.... Well will try back in right breast with the 4am feed... Lets see how it goes !

Here's to a good night everyone !

mrswee I'm no expert on cephalohaematoma, however my own DS had one after birth - no complications other than initial jaundice, which can be due to the instrumental (failed) birth anyway.

His went down after about 10 days IIRC. He has made it despite attempts to 10 okay!

It is basically a ruptured vessel, and a collection of blood. As far as I am aware, it shouldn't give any long term problems.

I'd check with your GP though. As I say, we see them at birth, but don't follow up long term, so I can't be sure on specifics.

What made her say it was a cephaolhaematoma? They usually don't cover a suture line, this differentiates them.

I'm not feeling the best today. We did eventually make it out the house. Not exactly on time .

I can't sustain breastfeeding. I can't function with hour long feeds, plus time to settle after.

I'm wracked with guilt - but I swore I wouldn't do this to myself. I said before he was born that I would give it a go, and if it didn't work, or I wasn't happy, that I wasn't going to get worked up over it.

But I am! He feeds well, yeah he is a little fussy at the boob, can be on and off during feeds frequently, but generally speaking, we've had an easy ride. But I just can't do the mammoth feeds. Not when I can get ebm in 10 minutes or less, and give it in a bottle in 10-20 minutes. He fed at the breast at 8 this morning, for an hour. Then I tried to get showered and ready etc. He was awake and not entirely settled while I was getting ready. By 11 we were still not ready to go out, and DP hadn't managed a shower as he was trying to keep him settled. Ended up having to leave him crying for 20 minutes, which broke my heart. Then DP had to give him formula as there was no way we were getting out anywhere otherwise. He was due a feed by then anyway. So I did 10 mins on the pump, and got just 40mls, when I usually get 90-100mls. Then we went out, registered him, and drove to Trafford Centre after.

As soon as we got there at 2.30 I woke him and put him on the boob while I sat, near in tears on a fucking uncomfortable chair (just a regular chair, but my back was breaking sitting there feeding in it). I eat my lunch without enjoying it as I was so uncomfy. 40 minutes I managed before I took him off and gave him EBM. He took 100mls on top of the 40 minute feed.

Woke him as soon as we got home at 6.30 and fed him on the boob again, he fed for 30 minutes before he started fussing and crying at the breast, tried him on both, but they just felt 'empty' like he wasn't getting anything from them. Gave him more EBM, and he took 90mls.

I've pumped again since, and got nearly nothing. He has been back to the breast too. He is finally asleep now.

And I'm totally fed up. I want to breastfeed him, but it is supposed to be convenient and easy! It feels anything but! I feel like I can't do it all!

Sat in tears now :( Feel like shit. So many people would kill to be able to feed 'easily' and here I am whinging about how it doesn't fit in to my life.

I'm going to bed to wallow in my own guilt. I really don't know what to do for the best - thinking what is best for all of us.

But I want to breastfeed!!!! But I want it to work better for us!

Dh has a 2nd job on fri & sat nights which means he doesn't get in til 4.30am these nights I don't mind cos when D wakes up I can put the lights on get comfy and put tv on low which means I'm awake more where as when he's home and snoring I feel sooooo sleepy as there's nothing keeping me awake, and then I get stressed if D won't go down wants to play and end up going downstairs!!!

I love my dh v v v much but finding the usual lack of help around the house when I'm sleep deprived, chained to the sofa feeding, still doing kids uniforms and packed lunches and then evening meals really really annoying!! Have asked him a few times to help out with washing up etc... But I'm just banging head against a brick wall - its only going to get worse in March when I'm at uni but hey ho I might just move in halls with Dottie lol

detective how's the sore patch? Has it cleared up?

kirrin omg why are dh's completely clueless at times - annoying that youve got to go back to have him put on BC

Awwwwww detective it is bloody hard work - I hope you manage a half decent night and have a better day tomorrow!!

TheDetective You need to do what's best for all of your family and formula is completely fine but if you do want to continue I'm sure things will get better. Your baby is only a couple of weeks, is that right? The formula top ups could be the thing that's causing your supply to lessen. I'm sure you know that its all about supply and demand, but I do appreciate that that doesn't always work. Babies do get more efficient at getting the milk out as they get older, meaning that the time on the boob will be less, and the feeling that your boobs are empty could be because your body has regulated how much milk is needed and isn't producing extra. But I'm sure you know all this stuff, as you are a midwife (hope I'm not mixing you up with someone else) Babies will take a bottle after a feed from the boob because its easy to take, not particularly because they are still hungry. If you do want to continue, you should call LLL, I found them very helpful, but you really need to do what's best for you and your family and if that's stopping bf then so be it.

Hey det big hugs. U have done so well for going this long. U have given him a great start. It's tough. I don't know what to suggest. I feel I gave up to soon, n wish I'd done more. So I don't want u to regret it like me. However it's not worth it if ur unhappy.

This may b a silly suggestion, can other half give u a night off n give ebm/ff all night. U might be ready to try again after a good sleep. Sry if that's a silly idea. Trying to b helpful.

Detective, the best thing to do if you want to keep feeding is surrender to it ( ha, so easy to say). The hour long feeds will stop. My LO was the same but at 4 weeks he is now on for 10, maybe 15 mins max....literally overnight he stopped the hour ( or more) long feedathons.

It may be that he is adjusting your supply, or comfort feeding, either way, remember this too shall pass....

Good luck, don't beat yourself up, enjoy your LO!

yaay clarella:)

detective - everything thechick said. I had a night last week where it felt like my boobs were empty and ds was fussing and not happy, but i just fed through it and my supply is better at night now. If you do give him formula remember to express at the same time to keep supply up. And if you want to stop bf, do, and dont feel guilty about it. I do think that if ou're going to bf you need to just accept that your day will revolve around it and not to make plans. Like today it wads sunny out, i fed ds for two feckin hours, dropped ds1 to creche and dh to work and decided to go to the beach for a lovely walk, got there, put ds in sling and he started to look for a feed. So i sat in the car and fed him for an hour, then it rained, so went home without setting foot on the beach! Oh well, maybe tomorrow:)

Mrswee - ds has ceph haematoma too. I had a failed forceps and a ventouse. HV said it should go down and she is monitoring it, he's almost 3 weeks now and it doesnt seem any smaller though, although hv did not seem overly concerned. Trying not to google it now!!!