Brooking no argument for babies who sleep, eat, smile and behave perfectly at all times. Yeah right!

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New thread, here we go...

Mat not may

at the ferret on acid comment, Dream .

Also at your DS's timely moralistic microwave comment, Biscuits .

I think Jaggy's example of doing night feeds and working puts our DHs to shame, really. If she can get up in the night and still go to work the next day, so can they, surely? Not that mine does.

Sorry that people are still struggling with poorly LOs. No brooking that they wake up feeling miraculously better today.

I was up between 2.30-3.30am with DS, who was happy to sleep on me but not in the cot. Finally got him settled, then he woke again at 4. Ffs. At that point he joined us in bed.

Musical well done to Iz! Exciting!

Oh yes I keep forgetting to say huge well done to Iz . Can she come and teach E? Although actually I quite like him staying where I put him

Yyy, Pet has it right. If Jaggy can get up in the night and go and do what sounds like a v difficult job during the day, then our DHs should stop moaning at having to do it every once in a while. Particularly mine, as a council worker. I know perfectly well what his day is like and it's a piece of piss not exactly strenuous, most of the time.

Scarlet, poor DS. I hope he feels better soon.

Biscuits, don't fret at DH having to do one night! As Scarlet says, it's great that DS2 will settle on him, and they both need to practice that or DS2 will forget and go back to only settling on you.

Speaking of which, last night was a bit of a shambles bedtime-wise. M was ready for bed by 8.30ish (later than usual due to a late nap in the car), and DH took her from me and said he would try to put her down. This following a long discussion about how tired I was and how badly M had slept on Monday night. She hadn't had her last feed, but he went off before I could say anything. After a few minutes I could hear M roaring with rage at this new innovation, so I went and stuck my head round the door and suggested that I feed her. M spotted me and went 'oh good, here's the food'. DH handed her to me and flounced out, saying 'well, you've ruined that one'. I fed M and calmed her down, but she was far too wound up to go to sleep, so I took her back to the living room and let her play for a bit. Second attempt at bed failed. And third attempt. By this time we were in our bedroom reading to her in the bed, and she was biting her fingers and had scarlet cheeks, which I always associate with teething (my little siblings always went really rosy when they were teething), so I decided she must be and gave her some Calpol. This was at about 10pm. DH said he'd look after her while I had a bath, so he sang to her quietly and when I came out of the bath half an hour later they were both asleep on the bed. I managed to get her into her cot without waking her and she slept for 4 and a half hours! So partial success in that DH got her to sleep eventually, but it also could have been the Calpol. No teeth have appeared, but she's got a bit of a nasty cough today, so it could have been that. She was up at 3, then 5 and I spent the best part of an hour putting her back down then. Then she was up again at 7, so I brought her into bed with me and we both slept until 8.40, which felt great!

Also at ferret on acid.

Poor poorly M Too - all these illnesses going round / it's awful isn't it. DS2 is really snotty today so I suspect that was part of the problem last night . He's currently have a full on argument with a firefly toy on his car seat

Lucky ds1 has gone to pre school today - lucky for him because I'm a horrible shouty tired person today .

I'm a bit too at the idea of my job being super difficult.

it's the nicest lab job I've had, i think getting up and out for any job would be effort!

I'm trying to think if i can tell you what i do without outing myself if anyone searched my username.

i know that sounds a bit like a made up occupation for alcoholics.

Yo yo brookers

Sorry I've been AWOL. Have been reading and lurking but not found the time to post without whining a lot!

Quick catch up from over here - ds1 started preschool and he is there every morning and two afternoons so by the time I've dropped him off and put some washing on or gone to the store I've got to go back and pick him up so been rather rushed recently. Ds2 has started crawling and has an obsession with the stairs which is a total pain in the arse as we've got about a bajillion stairs in our house and we can't put stair gates on every single little set of stairs.

Other big news is that our nanny starts on Monday and I go back to work on 3 dec. I'm terrified about going back. My job is heavily brain orientated and stuff changes every year so even if I could remember everything it has all shifted anyway (think George Osborne related).

too well done m on clapping - f still isn't doing this but is quite happy to bash two bricks together

dream f still yacks everywhere frequently am not sure what will help now walking perhaps.

biscuits you are not rubbish and we all have our screechy days especially me this morning when ds1 spilled his milk everywhere this morning again

jaggy you are doing amazingly being at work and dealing with the wake ups

pet dh gets up with ds1 whenever he wakes but only because he is very particular and if I go in he kicks off massively and musts wants his daddy ha ha ha!

scarlet hope your ds gets better soon

Right f awake and I need to leg it to school to get ds1

Massive brooking to all the ill and non sleeping babies out there, poor them and poor mummies. Brooking for immediate improvements all round.

Hope you get some answers from the tests scarlet.

biscuits - you always sound like such a patient mummy, dh helping one night and you getting stressed is really normal! You're always very understanding about his work, pretty sure one night won't hurt him!

Yay for crawling muscial now the trouble starts

dream - gammon was really good! Unfortunately I managed to undercook the rice so the whole meal wasn't brilliant but hey ho! Very yummy and so easy!!

I hate to say it but yes, formula still working here and we have sleep throughs - occasional moany whinging at 4am but only lasts 2-3 mins so I dont bother going in and she goes off again. Sure it will all change now I've said/written that! If you do go onto to specialised formula I have a tin of neocate unopened in my cupboard I could send you if you wanted??? Smells grim, A was never anti it but was anti bottles so could only ever manage two sips out of a beaker rendering it pointless so I stopped it.

How's DS1 getting on at pre-school Hawthers? Are you going back full time or part time? Have you had a nanny before? It hardly seems possible your DS2 is coming up for his first birthday.

Jaggy now I know the real reason you spend your breaks at work expressing. It's because of all that alcohol you must get to taste. Doesn't sound like work to me! Of course I know it's much more scientific than that really.

I'm procrastinating big time. I've so much tidying and ironing etc to do but I just cannot be arsed. DS is all snuggly on the sofa watching CBeebies, DD is asleep and I'm online trying to write their Christmas lists.

Hawthers I was wondering where you were! Your job sounds like mine - quite taxing?

More later but have to pay for my shopping in Sainsburys......

DS1 getting on ok but doesn't seem to have made friends but he is only 3 so hopefully he will in time?

I'm going back part time but not feeling inspired except the thought if going to the loo with the door closed sounds like heaven

Indeed biscuits very taxing indeed cta hnwi type taxing (is that too cryptic?) for the biggest of the firms.

Ah I worked for the smallest of big firms but did training in my latter days. Can't say I miss it much though

Arf at going to the loo with the door closed

Don't panic about making friends yet hawthers he's still young and there's plenty of time . At about 3 and a half to 4 (I think) they start to think about playing with others rather than just near them iyswim and I think they mix more then.

How are you getting on with your school year deferral?

Yes don't worry about the making friends part of it yet Hawthers. I'm told it's completely normal that they just play alongside each other rather than with each other until nearer 4. DS is only just starting to come home and tell me about his friends and what they've been playing and he's 4 next month. He's been there for 2 years already.

Yep, ds1 has only really started talking about his friends since he went back in September and that's when he turned 4. Loads of the children were there last year too so it's like he's only noticing them this year?

I know it's worrying though especially when you are already worried about him starting school etc but I can honestly say in August, when ds1 was about 3.11 I thought 'thank goodness he's not off to school next month, he's not ready'. But he was like a different boy since he went back in September and I actually think if he were at school now, it might be a little challenging but he'd probably be fine. His writing, reading etc all just seems to be coming together since he turned 4 (not that he can read or write yet but you know what I mean, there is some vague progress). Also he has suddenly started to draw actual 'things' rather than just scribbles iyswim. Things that I can (sometimes) tell what they are too, and have a vague stab at colouring a picture in rather than scribbling over the whole page. I know some of his friends (mainly girls) could do some of these things already but apparently boys wrists develop later so they are naturally later starting to write and draw etc.

I'm ruling. I'm going to sit down with a cuppa instead and try to find some patience and inner zen before I go to fetch my pfb

biscuits - dd1 often tells me her scribbles are specific things (normally me, her sister or a rabbit) but they really are just scribbles! However if I was a certain type of mum I might omit the last bit if relating it to others...

I just want to make a f*cking doctor's appointment! I tried to make an appt for M (to get her scabby nipples looked at) after my smear test on Tues and was told that they had no free appointments, but if I called on Thurs morning between 8.30 and 9.30 I could make one then. Naturally, I forgot. So I tried calling just now on the off-chance, and was told to call on Monday or Thursday to make appts for the following week. So the earliest I can get an appointment is not next week but the week after, and I have to phone within an hour's window on Monday. Alternatively I can phone up every morning to see if they have a cancellation, but given that I don't have transport unless I specifically take DH to work, that's no fucking good. DH is leaving at 7ish and the earliest I can call the surgery is 8.30, so I can't call before he leaves for work.

That's bad Too. So there's basically only 2 windows per week where you are allowed to ring and make an appointment . Have you got a walk in centre you could go to? I try and avoid them as they're usually full of people with horrible germs, but at least you know you'll get seen when it's convenient to you. Last time I was there someone sat down next to me wearing pyjamas and absolutely stank of shit. Needless to say I moved very quickly. Sorry that's not helpful I know...

Have you tried posting in children's health on here?

That's awful Too! Surely they must have appointments for more urgent things that are available more quickly? Our doctors can make routine appts in advance but then has appointments available every day and you can ring up each morning at 8 to get an appt that day. And they will always try to see a baby / under 5 on the same day. I've never had a problem getting an appt for either of the boys. That sounds really poor

And yes, 2 x 1 hour windows for making appts is awful! What if you had a job where you can't make calls and you worked at those times?

If the doctors really can't make you an appt I would complain and go to a walk in centre (being careful not to sit by smelly people - that sounds hideous scarlet )

I was too annoyed at the time, and M was howling very loudly so I could hardly hear a word the woman was saying, but I think the only option is to say that yes, a minor rash is an emergency and I want an appt NOW. It really irks me, this stuff, because it isn't an emergency and I don't want to use up emergency appt times, but at the same time I don't want to wait 2 weeks. I'm not sure about walk-in centres near us - probably the nearest is Edinburgh. I've asked DH to phone and say it's an emergency. M has a highly irritating habit of seeming quite happy until I'm halfway through a phone call and then starting to howl like a banshee. I am going to complain.

too - Say emergency. I had to basically say a teething baby was an emergency the other week as I couldn't be sure it was only teething. I normally say 'Well she's x months old so very little and very distressed'. I would have thought the howling would have helped.