Brooking no argument for babies who sleep, eat, smile and behave perfectly at all times. Yeah right!

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New thread, here we go...

Sounds most unfair that I appear to have had af already despite bf am def of those that haven't. (DD is 11weeks)

As for SFF its down below in an internal sense that is uncomfy. Its either not helping the desire for sff or I just have no desire for it anyway, much to dh's confusion.

Interesting thread Biscuits. I've just started one over there myself but stupid iPad is not letting me link. Problems getting rid of potty.

Also an interesting thread scarlet although I don't know the answer!

I read your thread with interest, Biscuits, but don't know anything about potty training, I'm afraid. Hope if it's a UTI the docs give him some ABs soon, and if it's just one of those things, then I hope it stops as mysteriously as it started!

After only 11 weeks, I'm not surprised you have no desire for SFF, Cakes. But it shouldn't be uncomfy, I don't think. Maybe go to your GP? Or perhaps with bf it's just a bit drier down there, so to speak, and some sort of lubricant would be helpful?

So, put M down tonight and she cried for...90 seconds! Not sure how long she'll stay down, mind, but she's doing so well!

biscuits no idea about the wees but poss fi back to basics and offer rewards for dry pants at the end of the day. The other thing I thought was make sure he is getting enough fluid as this will really help with the constipation.

cakes i had a cs with DS1 and found it very uncomfortable afterwards. er, internally as you say. i can't remember how long it lasted, sorry. but we first tried SFF at around 10wks. it did get better! my libido was awol anyway, i think it's worse this time - i so can't be bothered you can tell your DH it's fairly normal to have less desire for some people, between sleep deprivation and various hormones. i haven't found it quite as sore this time after a vbac, but it's a bit uncomfortable round me episiotomy. joy!

i am at 8 months with no AF, despite being back at work expressing for 6 weeks. i reckon it came back around this time last time so am waiting nervously!

I'll have to go and read the potty training threads. DS1 was v keen on his potty, i only got him to give it up with a new toilet seat! also we just left it tucked out of the way under the sink as the book i read suggested it would help his confidence or summat.

can only see a few posts back on phone...grr. need a new one from Santa!

Smegs I hope everything is getting sorted out asap. So relieved you and your family are safe.

Too woohoo for little M! Well done for getting the nursery to stay consistent with your strategy as well. Musical I think your approach sounds like such a sensible one, I think I got so caught up in the mindset that anything remotely like cc is bad, that I didn't realise that actually taking little bits of it could be useful and beneficial to the baby as well as the parents. I wish I'd done a little of what you do, from the start, and I don't think I'd have to go the whole hog with little A now.

I'm another one who got caught by AF early. She came back just after DD's 16 week check, even though I was still ebf at that point!

I'm out now, little A is home with her GPs. It's drinking time!

Thanks Jaggy it's er nice to know im not unusual. I'm not always very good at explaining myself and my DH has taken my lack of desire personally probably not helped by the bad use of its not you its me!

Hello ladies!

Am waaay behind - was only busy for a day but the thread has charged onwards apace! The sleep updates are very interesting. I'm now of those of you who are seeing results. Well done Scream , Too and Dream for your efforts, and well done to the LOs who are getting the hang of sleep at last!

I'm now feeling :( about the sleep situation here. DS will nap in the car or buggy but if we're at home I have to feed him then hold him for the whole nap (usually), like Musical . He used to be able to self settle at night but I don't think he does any more. So we co-sleep and I plug his mouth with a boob many, many times every night. It's better than being up and down all night but I would prefer him to just stay asleep in his own bed. So... what to do? I'm scared of sleep training because (like the rest of you) I can't bear to hear him cry and not comfort him. I try picking him up at night but usually he won't go back to sleep without the boob, so not sure pu/pd will work. I guess I was hoping he'd just sort out the sleeping by himself, but it isn't going to happen, is it? :(

Anyway, Scarlet glad the panto was fun. Hope both DC are better before Christmas.

Biscuits I'm afraid I'm clueless about potty training but I hope DS1 is back to normal soon.

Jaggy hope the cold's a mild one and you enjoy your well-deserved holiday!

Can't remember anything else - am too overwhelmed by the brilliant sleeping of A, M and S!

i probably have to grab DS2 when he wakes a bit too quickly as he is sharing with DS1 and it's not fair to wake him too much. i never let DS1 cry, but would lie in my bed to see if he was just having a wee squeak/shout to myself before falling back to sleep.

actually DS2 did that this morning during my last 45 mins sleep. i heard him making noises but was so shattered i fell back to sleep. i guess he did too as i had to wake him at 7.15 for a feed again.

place your bets now for what time the boys are up and bouncing when I'm off work? :) DS1 slept till after 8 today the monkey.

he had a temp again at bedtime though so both boys are Calpoled up.

Oh gosh, that was it - Smegs hope the thing with your neighbour gets resolved quickly - sounds scary. :(

FFS. DS up again 5 mins after I got him down. Patting did nothing, rocking pissed him off more: all he wanted was boob. Meanwhile DH being grumpy about Christmas with my family. :( :( :(

pet I didn't cosleep but def plugged in the boob to f until I gave up bf. Then I did pu/pd without naming it and just gave him a cuddle until he was calm and that seemed to work. So whether it was change in strategy or giving up bf I don't know. I def found having some sort of game plan helped to make me feel less rubbish.

But I do think a bit of waiting to see what kind of crying it is can be good. It's not like you are leaving them upset indefinitely but I often thought I was jumping in too soon.

i think the choice in my head is:

a. boob
b. some kind of actual effort

we are still doing co sleeping only when i really can't be bothered staying awake to put DS2 back.

he's been in the cot for about 20 minutes now. i should really be rushing around doing stuff rather than posting on here! my bed is covered in clean washing as usual...

i think the choice in my head is:

a. boob
b. some kind of actual effort

we are still doing co sleeping only when i really can't be bothered staying awake to put DS2 back.

he's been in the cot for about 20 minutes now. i should really be rushing around doing stuff rather than posting on here! my bed is covered in clean washing as usual...

oops double post. one more day of work, yay. hoping to only do 6 hours if i can get everything done quick enough...

can't wait. I'm missing DS1 cuddles actually. baby DS2 dives out of DH's arms and pounces on me when i get in. he hangs on really tight in case i escape without giving up the milk.

hi all, just attempted to catch up on the thread. had a mental couple of weeks here, DS2 ended up in hospital with bronchiolitis, couldn't feed and wasn't breathing properly so ended up being tube fed and on oxygen. Since we got home i've been desperately trying to play catch up with our lives and trying to get everything sorted for Christmas. Feel like we are almost sorted...as long as DP does a good food shop this weekend. We are not seeing any family as none of them live near us and we are not wanting to travel and risk breaking down (we broke down 2 years ago just after having DS1 when it was -15 and so not chancing deja vu!)

re AF's, mine only came back after DS1 when i dropped his feeds down to just a bedtime one, he had been feeding 4 times per 24 hours, but it took dropping the other 3 before cycles started again - i wanted AF back as wanted another baby!

Re sleep, sorry to hear so many of you are having problems. We have never had much issue at night. DS1 sleeps from 7pm through to somewhere around 6-6.30am, and DS2 was sleeping 9 1/2-10 1/2 hours solid overnight before he ended up in hospital. He has a horrid cough which is tending to cause a major coughing fit once per night, so at the moment he is sleeping from around 8.30-9pm through to 3.30 ish, and then the cough wakes him, we change his nappy, feed him and he then goes down until around 8.30-9.30am, he then wakes for another feed and has another sleep. He self settles for all of these sleeps, and we use merino sleeping bags which keep him toasty but are lightweight on his legs, and he can kick away without getting cold. When he wakes, we keep conversation to a minimum, avoid as much stimulation as possible and keep the room as dark as we can. Feed him, wind him and put him straight back into his crib. Did the same with his brother and he always self settled at night. Daytimes aren't as straightforward, if i am lucky DS2 might have 3 15-30 min naps, but as long as he sleeps well at night i don't mind. I just can't wait till his cough stops waking him at 3.30am ish, although i feel bad saying that compared to the sleep patterns some of you are having to deal with!

going off topic slightly but anyone got any opinions on the 4th generation ipad, or the samsung tab 2? DP offering to buy one, not that he is rolling in money, and wondering if the ipad is worth the £140 extra it costs over the samsung one? or alternatively the ipad 2 is about £70 more than the samsung but it doesn't have the retina screen that the 4th generation one has.......

eek loopy sounds like a nightmare. :( hope the cough finally clears up soon.

pet, same for S in the night. 2 solid hours of cross baby wanting boob... I have to say I never thought it'd work for him but felt I had to try before cc. But he was so so cross!! And tired the next day as he'd not just been in with me on the boob. You have to be determined, because the temptation is to go back to bed and go back to sleep together, especially about 40 minutes in, when tour throat is dry from shushing and there's no end in sight. But, Fx, he's improving. Good luck whatever you do, or don't do! Co sleeping isn't terrible, I just don't sleep well and it doesn't work well night feeding two babies.

loopy, sounds so tough. Poor Ds2, hope his cough improves quickly. How on earth did you manage with no family nearby and Ds1 too?!

smegs, she sounds quite la-la, I hope she gets some help soon. I like the diary idea too, and would be interested to know what MIND said and how it turns out. I hope she, and you and your family, are all ok.

Forgotten the rest, but hope A and M have good nights again.

And Jen you pick up (if you can't soothe in cot with shush-pat, mine never do with that) as soon as they're calm, you put down- awake. They wail, of course, you repeat, ad infinitum, until they go to sleep. In their cot. Really hard at first, I'm still finding it hard but hugely encouraged by initial results.

Oh no Loopy how awful. Has DS2 fully recovered now?
I have the 4th generation ipad, I have nothing to compare it to but I like it a lot -apart from me not being able to figure out how to do links

Pet. Do you spend Christmas with your family every year or do you alternate with DH's? We used to alternate but now we spend every Christmas Day with mine and NY day with DH's. My DC are my folks only DGC and DH's folks like to spend the day with their other DGC so it works out ok so far

Brooking for all poorly DC, sleep all round and also for Smegs.

Loopy poor DS2! Glad he's better, and that yours sleep well. I've always done the dark room, no interaction at night thing. It may have helped in that DS definitely wants to sleep at night (rather than play) but it hasn't stopped him wanting to sleep on me! Don't know about the iPad, I'm afraid.

Jaggy I'm with you on the the zero effort thing. That's how come I've ended up co-sleeping every night. Seems easier than getting up... Also at DS2 leaping for his milk and clinging on till he gets it!

Hawthers I usually wait until the whimpers turn into wails before going in. I wish I knew how long he'd cry for if I left him. Hours? Minutes? I know it wouldn't hurt him in the long run (he's cried for 45 mins in the car on the way to a wedding when we couldn't stop and I knew he wasn't hungry) but it would distress me .

No AF here yet, but I'm not bloody surprised given that I'm feeding all night! DS is 8.5 months.

Dream thank you for your words of support. I think I need a wet fish slap. Or a bit of your determination.

Scarlet we always go to my family in London, but we do host DH's mum and aunts (the only relatives he's close to) for a pre-Christmas celebration. I love Christmas, whereas DH isn't bothered, so I don't want to miss celebrating the day with lots of people I love, and enjoying all my family's traditions. I couldn't believe the first year we hosted DH's family and they politely declined pudding - not even a taste - because they were full! I mean, that's just not Christmas, is it?!

No news = good news from the cc brave ones?

DS2 is better apart from the cough and the hospital said it could take at least a couple of months to shake that off, sometimes a lot longer. But another improvement last night, he didn't wake up at all :) he slept from 8.45-6.15, quick change and feed, then slept till 8.25 then another feed and slept till 9.45. He is currently lay in his crib happily farting, yawning and doing lots of cute gurgles/baby talk. DS1 slept from 7pm-6am and DP went out and got pissed at his xmas do, got home at 1.30am and DIDN'T wake me so i had a brilliant nights sleep for the first time in a very long time (i'm such a light sleeper that i usually wake in the night, even if children sleep through i rarely do!) so i feel amazing today :) and just managed to drink a hot cup of tea and go to the toilet on my own, small things in life that cheer me up thesedays lol!!!

Today is a red letter day!

First of all, we finally, finally got paid my first non-mat-pay pay and it is brilliant and wonderful. I don't have some amazing huge salary, either, it's just a lot better than mat pay.

Second...M went to bed at 7.10pm, cried for 90 secs. Woke up at 10.30, cried intermittently for 2 mins. Started coughing at 3.40 and didn't seem able to stop, poor baby, although she didn't cry, so I went in and fed her. Put her down sleepy but awake, she gave one little protesting cry, then took her giraffe and fell asleep. Woke up at 6.15 when DH's alarm went off really loudly; I went in, patted her and said 'go back to sleep' and she did! Then she slept until my sister phoned at 9am and woke us both up.

Loopy, so sorry to hear about DS2 and the bronchiolitis! Hope his cough clears up quickly.

Pet, sorry that DH is being a pig about Christmas. Mine spent a long time moaning because I wanted to go to my dad's for the first time in 6 years (not DH's fault - we'd go to Mum's, or PIL, and when it was Dad's turn they would have made plans to go to stepmother's sister's and say 'oh you're welcome to come too', but we would rather spend Christmas naked in the Arctic so would hastily make an excuse) but has finally given in on the proviso that next year we do Christmas in our own house and invite people to come to us. But I love my family and it's really horrible when DH moans about going there - my little brother and sisters are adorable and he agrees, so why does he not want to spend Christmas with them completely over-excited and running in circles screaming loudly and shrilly?