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Brooking no argument for babies who sleep, eat, smile and behave perfectly at all times. Yeah right!

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scarletfingernail · 14/11/2012 13:56

New thread, here we go...

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Biscuitsandtinsel · 19/12/2012 17:47

Sorry DS and dd still pOorly though Sad

scarletfestivefingernail · 19/12/2012 17:59

Larry Lamb as Captain Hook. DS said he wasn't scary, but he has seen the Disney version a number of times so knew what to expect.
George Sampson as Peter Pan (previous BGT winner Confused street/break dancer type). DS thought he was pretty cool and was trying to break dance when we got home. Obviously he's on the mend! No we didn't take DD, she stayed with my Mum. It was on just about 2.5 hours in total including a 20 minute interval.

Biscuitsandtinsel · 19/12/2012 19:39

Sounds fab - so glad DS enjoyed it - the poor boy deserves something to make him feel better after all this illness SadThanks

And yay to no side effects from the ABs Smile

TooImmatureMincePies · 19/12/2012 19:40

I'm doing it. I feel horrible. I'm doing 2 minutes, then 4, and we're now on 6. She's actually gone silent. I'm scared she's dead.

TooImmatureMincePies · 19/12/2012 19:44

Oh my God. She's asleep. That took 7 minutes. Shock I still feel like a murderer.

Biscuitsandtinsel · 19/12/2012 19:44
Biscuitsandtinsel · 19/12/2012 19:47

Fingers crossed she stays asleep (until the morning - optimistic? Me?)

TooImmatureMincePies · 19/12/2012 19:53

I'm still so tense I'm vibrating. I do have chocolate.

DreamingOfAWhiteChristmas · 19/12/2012 20:09

I'm feeling dispirited. Is this pu/pd thing really going to work?! I'm so knackered that if it doesn't I'll maybe try cc, as at least I'll feel i haven't gone from full on anything-to-help-you-sleep to cc. Please let tonight be better!!

And hurrah for 7 minutes too!! Let us know a blow by blow account of the rest of the night please.

I'm so encouraged by your story scream, honestly sounds better than our cranky baby. It's a shame I know for a fact he can scream for 40 minutes without going to sleep :( . He self settles in the evening but never in the night, so what's going on there? How many nights should I persevere with my softly softly approach before thinking about cc?

I think the cerezette progesterone-only pill jobby is making me feel worse. I got so down with the combined pill, and surely I wouldn't feel this bad, like I can't cope, at this stage just with sleep deprivation?! Wondering whether to try stopping it.

Yay for panto scarlet, lucky DD :)

hohohohawthers · 19/12/2012 20:13

At least its good to have a plan too hope I didn't sound unsympathetic earlier. For us there is always something that makes it hard to keep consistency but I think that if your approach is consistent no matter where you are then m should respond to that.

We did a bit of cc with DS1 when he used to wake at 5 ish when he was around 14m. We figured out that we were waking him up fully when we went in so we paused and waited to see what would happen if we didn't immediately go in. 5 mins was our limit but he never cried for more than 2! And then eventually stopped waking at that time.

Good luck and strength to all trying new techniques tonight. If you can have the same approach each time they wake up I reckon it should work fairly quickly.

TooImmatureMincePies · 19/12/2012 20:25

M just woke up again. 3 minutes this time - DH went in when she first woke up, then again after 2 minutes, and then she fell asleep again. She's lying on her side facing the bars of the cot. Sad Oh no, there she goes again.

TooImmatureMincePies · 19/12/2012 20:26

Silence again.

TooImmatureMincePies · 19/12/2012 21:31

She was just up again, but cried for no more than 2 minutes. I was quite glad because I got to go in and pat her and show her I was there.

TooImmatureMincePies · 19/12/2012 22:13

All quiet on the Too front atm. Scream, how are you getting on?

Biscuitsandtinsel · 19/12/2012 22:23

Good luck Too and Scream Smile

jaggythistle · 19/12/2012 23:06

another early night fail here. R taking a bit longer to settle when poorly. both wee guys coughing tonight!

just got the expressing dishes done and time to collapse.

DH is probably going to enquire about SFF, but apart from the fact i still can't be bothered at all Blush i think I'm getting the boys bug. got a scratchy throat and sore head.

i may have to see about contraception in the new year. i was happy to go with condoms but I'm finding it causes abrasion where the episiotomy was and also the less spontaneous things are, the more stressed i get.

i really didn't want to go back to hormonal stuff as the pill made me mental, frankly. i like the idea of the implant as i could get it out if i didn't like it. have heard good and bad stories about it though. not keen on coil and you can't undo the injection.

right. away for a wee sleep...

ScreamIfYouStillBelieveInSanta · 20/12/2012 00:07

Argh! I feel like I'm infecting the thread with cc! Even though I know, rationally, that Too you would never have tried it if you hadn't looked into it and made your own mind up. I still feel guilty however, when none of the No Brookers were doing cc before.

On saying that though, it's made a huge and I think positive difference to little A's sleeping so far. So I sincerely hope it works out for Too as well! Sounds like you've made a fantastic start! I know what you mean about wanting to go in just so they know you're nearby, but I've also found Hawthers' point to be true, that sometimes you disturb them more by going in. It's such a hard line to tread!

Here I've been very naughty Blush I'm just hopeless at routines! My life will never fit neatly into any sort of daily routine. When I said earlier that I wanted to do bedtime for DD at 7pm I'd forgotten that we had guests coming round for dinner, with their 16 month old DD. I know the two babies are fascinated with each other and I really wanted little A to be able to stay up and have dinner with us all. So I let her have a 20 min nap at half 6, and then decided to let her stay up until she showed the first hint of tiredness.

Little A LOVES visitors, so she was up and smiley and chirpy for hours. She had lots of dinner, and was still bright and alert afterwards (not in an overtired way.) She wasn't even flagging by 10pm when I decided that I really was pushing it too far. I did a speedy bedtime routine, and put her down at 10.30. She protested (a.k.a yelled at me) as I left the room, and by the time I'd walked to the sitting room and switched on the monitor she was asleep Shock No crying whatsoever! She's still asleep now.

Too do let me know how you get on tonight! Sending lots of hope and positive thoughts your way! It's so stressful to listen to your baby cry and not go straight to them, even for a minute, but hopefully in the end we'll be reducing the amount of time they spend crying compared to before!

Dream you'll know when to stop the PU/PD, if indeed there is ever a time when you should. You've fought so hard to keep the boys ebf, and you've achieved so much that no other mother could do, that it would be impossible for anyone else to judge how much PU/PD you can handle before it's not worth continuing. I do believe that it will work at some point, but I don't know when that point is, so it's your judgement that will tell you if you can get there. I think PU/PD vs cc is a bit like having a really long slow gradual labour vs a viciously super fast labour. Ultimately both labours hurt, but the slow one is more of an endurance test whilst the fast one is more about whether you can cope with incredibly strong pain. Hopes everyone will ignore the fact that I know nothing about any kind of labour. Hang in there Dream! Don't go for cc unless you're really sure, because it's gut-wrenching and you need to have no other options to run to when the going gets tough!

The panto sounds amazing Scarlet! I do hope your LOs feel better soon though!

Jaggy so sorry to hear you're catching the boys' cold! No brooking for good health to return to the entire Jaggy household asap!

I hope the contraception problems for Jaggy and Dream can be resolved asap. Particularly hoping that Dream won't feel down for long :(

JenFrankincenseAndMyrrh · 20/12/2012 01:23

It seems I cursed myself the other night. For the last 2 nights she has managed a maximum of 2 hours sleep at a time. Tonight she had porridge and rice for tea at half 8. She has had 3 lots of boob since then, nothing else stops her screaming. Why am I constantly having to feed? We tried dh trying to settle her but that failed miserably so I end up feeding.

JenFrankincenseAndMyrrh · 20/12/2012 03:01

Just done feed number 4 after failing to stop her cry after 20 mins. Where the hell is she putting it all?

jaggythistle · 20/12/2012 04:21

how old is she now Jen? is it some age related growth spurt/wakey uppy thing maybe? one that will pass v quickly of course...

sitting trying to feed poor coughing R. this is his second time up, with big brother up with a temp in between. DS1 was very good and stayed quiet while i got a drink of water and some Nurofen. he also shouted me through when his baby brother woke up a while later. i sent DH for baby retrieval though.

meh. DS2 now all cute and awake chatting to me and DH and coughing on us and scratching us with his jaggy nails. i still need to get up in just over an hour though.

jaggythistle · 20/12/2012 04:25

another reason why i normally don't ask DH to help - he's left both DS2's comforter and the cosy sheet that i use to transfer him on in the cot. Angry

jaggythistle · 20/12/2012 04:46

also he closed the door of the boy's room so i had to fight with the door handle while trying to sneak in.

DS1 sound asleep now though.

trying to get 45mins sleep...

TooImmatureMincePies · 20/12/2012 08:17

Poor Jaggy, sounds like a rough night!

Right. Night 1 in the Too household and... M slept from 1.25 right through to 7.20am! Shock Grin And when she woke up just before 1, she didn't howl with the same frenetic urgency as she did at the beginning of the night. She started to cry, I hopped out of bed and shush-patted her, then left for 2 minutes, then 4, then 6 and finally 8, but she didn't cry much during the 8 minutes and when I went in at the end of them she was actually dozing, so she didn't see me. She didn't scream, just normal cries, and not continually, either. DH sneaked in to check on her at 7.15 and she was asleep on her front, which is a first. Maybe she's finally worked out that she can roll over and get comfy on her own.

So, advice, please ladies! What do I do at nap time? Feed her as usual, but what if she falls asleep while feeding? Do I just put her down and then do the cc if she wakes early? Or do I try not to let her fall asleep feeding - ie, feed her in the living room and then carry her through to her cot?

JenFrankincenseAndMyrrh · 20/12/2012 08:51

She is 29 weeks now. I've just done the 4th feed since I last posted.

DreamingOfAWhiteChristmas · 20/12/2012 09:11

No time but scream and too, loved the updates and info

Mine is 2 wakings for S- first at the time I've decided I am happy to feed at for a few more weeks, one more at 5:45am- completely bunged up, but went down once, then woke, I fed him as I'd just fed B and felt mean as he was so so snotty, he's just woken now! Pu/pd is working I think.

Jen, well over an hour of pu/pd with near violent bouncing/ jigging to calm a super pissed off baby at first, definitely still cross after 20 minutes here!! Though when he initially went back down at 5:45 for 5 min he did it within a few minutes. Think its more perseverance though, not quite as quick as the cc.