Brooking no argument for babies who sleep, eat, smile and behave perfectly at all times. Yeah right!

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New thread, here we go...

Well, when I exhaust myself learning new stuff, I need a good sleep to recover. Why don't babies play by grown-ups' rules?

Owchie!

Ds2 currently chomping on my finger while trying to drop off to sleep. Teething is evil. I'm considering buying one of those falconry gloves - that would be fine for him to chomp on if I stuck it in the steriliser first right?

Straw poll: how many naps does your DC have and does s/he sleep through the night? I've been reading about how day sleep begets night-time sleep and I'm willing to try anything. I'll start.

M: 1 nap, usually 11am-1pm, sleeps terribly. Gets up about 8am, goes to bed between 7 and 8pm most nights.

Ds2: usually has half an hour late morning and anything from 1-4 hours in the afternoon (1-2hr if we're out, up to 4 if we're at home in the afternoon and we don't have to go and get ds1 from pre school). Sleeps through usually . Goes down 7-8pm ish, up about 7am ish. Recently seems to wake and murmer at night maybe once. but normally can resettle himself. Sometimes I have to go in.

DS2 is a bit fluid at the mo, possibly stopping his morning nap. Up between 6 and 7 first nap at 9-10 for an hour to 2 hours then second one 2 or 3 ish for an hour or 2 depending on the length of the morning one. Total naps 3 hours.

Feel that sitting F's naps def helped night sleeping although might have been coincidental.

F is still rather hot but has been happier at times overall. no temp thus am but then Temp did spike to 39 at 5 ish. Back down now and we are alternating paracetamol and ibuprofrn. But have to go to work tom. Argh. Any idea when to officially worry?

Sorting not sitting

No idea about naps, I don't keep track but it is multiple times during the day.

We've recently had a bit of a breakthrough with nights. DD was waking every 2 hours for a feed, I mentioned this to the HV on Weds at weigh in and she suggested giving her carbs before bedtime. We'd tried baby rice and porridge with her previously but she doesn't like them. I got a baby rice pouch and she wolfed that down. The first night she woke once, the second she didn't wake at all. The third night we didn't give her a pouch and she woke multiple times.

DD sleeps through currently approximately from 8pm through til about 9am. Has an hour nap late morning 11-12ish then has a long afternoon nap 2.30 til about 5.30. Hmmm maybe my baby spends too much time asleep hence no talking, walking, signing or crawling. DS followed pretty much the same routine. I put her in bed awake a leave her to her own devices and only go in to her if she cries which she doesn't really. Maybe there is some truth in that theory Too

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DS has given us a fright today. His lips went blue, he started shaking, said he was cold and his head was hurting. His temp was sky high still. I didn't make DH do his usual dash to A&E, I calmly called OOH docs and took him on my own. Chest infection diagnosed, anti-biotics prescribed. Poor baby, can't believe how many illnesses he's had this year. So I suspect we'll have another awful night with him. I just cannot believe how calm I feel!

Ds1 was similar nap wise here too Scarlet and not the quickest on talking / walking etc etc. maybe our babies spend too long asleep although I'll take them being later talking in return for sleeping through

And thinking about it one of my NCT friends had the baby who walked and talked first but was terrible at napping and sleeping

Scarlet, how scary! I'm so proud of you taking him to OOH on your own! You are a star. I hope he gets better v quickly - at least ABs usually work fast once they're started.

Hawthers, don't know, but Brooking for him to be much better overnight! Is your nanny coming tomorrow? Do you get any sort of family days, for looking after sick children or for breakdown in care arrangements?

Oh I totally missed that bit of your post Scarlet

Poor ds!!! And poor you! What a fright!!! But I can't believe how well you've done to take him all on your own and stay all calm and zen like! You're amazing you know? Poor DS - hope those ABs kick in and he's better soon and in time for Santa xxxx

Well done you Scarlet you are really doing your homework thoroughly.

DD doesn't go to bed until we do. She's sat on my lap at the moment. We all go up together, she has a nappy change and into her nightwear. I'll give her boob and she will be on our bed with us until she gets sleepy. DH then puts her in the cot and leaves the light on. He'll come back in our room, she'll cry for a few minutes and then go to sleep

poor DS scarlet! you did so well as that must have been scary. :( brooking for a quick recovery.

er. DS2's sleep is so random I'm not sure how to describe it

he eventually settles for bed between 8 (on a good day) and 10 (bad day! it's cute to see him grin when i get in from work, but really.)

on average he sleeps for 2 or 3 hours when he first goes to bed. on a good night he'll then be up once or twice, mostly it seems like every hour or 2. i mess it up a lot by falling asleep feeding though, and if I'm too tired i give up and take him in beside me.
he gets up between 6 and 7, then likes a feed and nap between 9 and 10. he used to have an hour in his cot like clockwork, but not at the moment. he has another sleep at lunch time, up to 2 hours if he gets to sleep on my or DH's knee.

if he can get one he also likes another sleep at around 5pm. he misses quite a lot of naps with DS1 being noisy.

he's had Nurofen before bed today, he burst into tears when i tried to look for new teeth. :(

So where do my two fit in?! No hands and knees/ signs of crawling/ babbling apart from baby singing type thing, (but finally rolling around the place a lot more) 8.5 months... And no sleeping?!

Mine nap 10:30-12 ish am, depends on what we'er doing. Quick 20 min in car if going out, and 2:30-3:30 ish. All pushed in pushchair. Generally more naps, and longer naps mean they're more content, eat more and go to bed better.

Well done scarlet, but your poor ds. And your DD does loads, I've seen her pulled to standing!!! She's great, I'd choose the sleeping anyway.

And Blimey little A, you're such a star, whipping a new skill out daily :)

Hello pet, feels like I haven't written anything to you in ages. I say don't worry if he sleeps well with you, my friend co-slept from 6 months to age 3 (she loved it at first, only recently wants to stop) and her daughter has just stopped naturally. Someone from my twins group used to cosleep every night and now has no issues, twins in their own cots- they're 17 months, or maybe 18 but been fine in their own cots a
while now.

Glad F not too bad hawthers mine can be spiking temps for 3-4 days then recover. I hope he does too. The temperature grunting is scary though, mine all do it too.

DS goes to bed between 7.30-8pm and gets up for the day around 8am. He naps for 30 mins to an hour in the morning at about 11am, usually in the buggy on a dog walk. He'll nap for up to 2 hours at about 2-4pm on my knee. He wakes a lot at night. :( he is not teething, crawling, walking, waving, signing, talking or anything except pulling himself to standing and grinning. I luff him very much though, even at night.

I'm so incredibly jealous of all these sleeping babies!! Autumn has zero routine. Sometimes she has one brief nap, sometimes she has three long naps, and every permutation in between. Sometimes she wakes at 6 for the day, sometimes she used to wake at 10 (now I wake her up by 8 at the latest). I do her dinner at 6.30 and her bedtime routine at 7, although sometimes she'll fall asleep at 8, usually she doesn't go down until after ten, on the worst nights she won't sleep until midnight. Once asleep she's up every 60 / 90 / 120 mins all night long. She gets more distressed each time she wakes, usually culminating in coming into bed with me at some point between 3 and 6. It's all fun and games!

She eats really well by the way. Porridge and banana in the morning, cheese sandwich and yoghurt for lunch, for dinner she'll have a whole (stage 3) pouch plus some chunks of veg like boiled potato cut into wedges. In between each meal she has a bottle of milk, the last one being 'hungry' milk during her bedtime routine.

Sorry for the long overly detailed explanation, but I'd appreciate any tips! (By the way I'd LOVE to get her to nap more regularly, but it's just as hard to get her down in the day as it is at night, and I just don't want to spend all day AND night fighting with her!)

Scarlet you're doing amazingly well! Your self-control is inspiring! I hope the ABs help your DS to get better asap!

No Brooking for all poorly and teething mini No Brookers, as well as their poor Mums!

Uh oh. So DS has been prescribed Augmentin which is the one I had when I had my infected CS wound which gave both DD and I the trots. Big time. I've made the mistake of Googling Augmentin and children and am worried now about 1) him puking and 2) him getting diarrhoea. Just when I thought I was doing so well I'm now worrying about side effects of anti b's. A whole new worry. Will we get to the pantomime on Tuesday? I've put him to bed wearing a pull up for the first time in yonks and am now over thinking about whether that was the right thing to do or not? Über paranoid about messy bed.

Wow at A eating sandwiches Scream I'm well impressed. I'm doing a mixture or mashed up stuff and finger foods as I'm not confident enough to do full on BLW. When DD has anything finger foodie it still just gets squidged up in her hands and everywhere else rather than eaten. Or coughed up...

How's F doing now Hawthers? I usually find we battle temps for 3-4 days. It's less stressful if you pre empt when you're going to need more meds and administer first rather than waiting for the temperature to spike. I usually go at it full on with doses for a good couple of days before laying off to see what happens. I hate all that scary stuff they do when it gets to 39.

Will reply properly from my phone tomorrow, but thought I'd add our nap details..

Iz has between 2-3 naps on an.average day, for anything between 1.5hrs to 2.5hrs. She used to have one around 9,9.30, one at lunch time and one mid afternoon, each for about 30 mins. She's started fighting the early morning one though, and doesn't seem to need it every day, so I suspect it and the midday one will merge. One nap is sometimes from walking/the car, but for the last couple of months most are from bouncing her on my knee.

We have quite an established night routine. Bed between 7.30-8, with a bath every other day. The earliest I will start the day is 6, but she normally wakes nearer 7.

Ok, you are still doing really really well. We all know googling is a bad idea but try and think what your CBT person has said.

FWIW I don't really see a problem in putting DS in a pull up when there is a realistic chance of getting the trots. IF he does get it (brooking he won't of course) then as well as being a huge mess for you to clean up he would find it upsetting etc if he had had an accident in bed so I don't think it is 'undoing' any good work to have given him a bit of extra protection.

How many days does he have to have the augmentin (is that the stuff?) for? Really hope he has a tough tummy and can sail through it. If he does react to it would it be worth asking the doctor if they could change what he has? The first time ds1 had ABs they gave him penicillin (or amoxicillin I think) and he was allergic so they changed it straight away even though he was half way through the course. Might they do that if he reacts to it?

I know it is a huge worry that he will react BUT I don't want you to feel bad for worrying iyswim. You said earlier that you had a fear of vomming before the other anxiety stuff emerged (I think?) so this is possibly sort of the root of the problem / a slightly different problem. You're still working with the CBT person and you are making amazing progress. But it will be a very long journey before you could sail through an episode like this without flinching. It IS completely normal to have some degree of aversion to cleaning up sick and poo I reckon! So please don't feel 'bad' for having good and bad days about it - it will be a journey of ups and downs. You should feel so so so proud for how you dealt with everything yesterday and the progress you are making.

Now I am going to concentrate on brooking NO argument that your DS is panto-ready by tomorrow xx

Forgot to mention last night, LOVE the story of Iz and the tree Musical! Sounds like Iz can figure out how to get exactly what she wants - she's a smart cookie!

Any side effects overnight Scarlet? Don't be down on yourself for still worrying, you've made a HUGE improvement in such a short time, you're obviously working really hard to overcome your triggers. Don't forget how far you've already come. It's natural that some things won't have completely faded yet. You'll get through DS's current illness and be even stronger afterwards. Plus you can talk it through with your counsellor when you next see them. Hang on in there, sending lots of hugs and No Brooking your way!

That, scream is exactly what I meant to say but you managed to word it far better and more succinctly!

X-posts with Biscuits, and as usual Biscuits said it all so much better than I could!!

Scream