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InmaculadaConcepcion · 26/09/2012 14:47

Come in, sit down, fresh coffee is brewing, Prosecco's in the fridge for later and there's a bumper box of Lindt chocolates for all....

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Whiteworm · 28/10/2012 01:57

Jesus havent been on MN for ages. (LittlebearH) IC you are pretty amazing. Now 2 DCs and still managing to post. I am only on FB. I am up late as i am drunk, DP in bed. Loving DD this age apart from the contrary issues. She wants to do everything herself. Has been potty trained since April but has suddenly started not telling CM when she needs a poo or a wee. CM thinks she is unsettled due to her best friend Finley starting school. She is now the 2nd eldest. Is evryone else ok?? I admit I am lost with names and what is going on so forgive me. I do want to say however a biig thank you to you all for being such a support and being generally normal lovely people. xx

Whiteworm · 28/10/2012 02:18

Arrrgh I am so lost reading this thread. I am so confused at who is who etc. So I will offer some help with potty training. DD is 2 and 8 months and has been potty trained since 2 and 3 months. My tips: ( I am no expert) just put on big girls pants. Only pull ups for naps. Then they are called night time pants. After day 3 DD realised when to tell me she needed a wee or poo. My CM wanted 4 changes of clothes. I thought this was pessimistic. She of course was right. Dont go backwards. IC Rosie will do it. She is old enough now. Dont go back. Love to you all xx

rainbowweaver · 28/10/2012 02:24

DD goes to bed anytime between 6pm to 10pm depending on how much she slept during the day. She's always good tempered though, but may get somewhat overexcited if we miss the 12 hours after waking up timing. And wakes up anytime between 5.30am to 10am depending on whether she wakes up at night and gap before she goes back to sleep. Absolutely refuses to nap if she can help it but may doze off in the car if she's very tired then wakes up very annoyed if she misses an outing as a result Grin. She woke up at 5.30am this morning and as it was still dark I managed to convince her to go back to sleep, and we slept till 11am! Only the 2nd time that's happened mind, 1st time was a weekday and woke up at 10am. Normally she sleeps from 8pm to 7am.

Whiteworm · 28/10/2012 02:29

Wow. Rainbowweaver wish I could be so laid back. If gone 07.30 I will wake DD up as I wont know where I am with lunch or tea!

rainbowweaver · 28/10/2012 02:31

Ha, cross-posted ww and at 2am. What are the chances? I'm still up as not sleepy yet given slept till late yesterday.

rainbowweaver · 28/10/2012 02:35

Off to bed now though, otherwise will be v tired as DD will be up early tmrw. Good night, and welcome back!

Bearcrumble · 28/10/2012 08:08

Didn't have quite such a bad night last night. There was some horrible Trance music coming from the flats out the back, and I couldn't sleep until DH got home so somewhere around midnight - then baby woke a couple of times before 5 then DS needed a wee then he started making owl noises and I had to go in and ask him to be quiet. BUT he slept until 7 (the new 7, so like a normal 8am!!) and baby came in with me about 6 and I got to doze on and off. I know it sounds like an awful time, but I definitely got more sleep than the night before.

Taking them out today - probably to the Tate Modern.

Am a bit worried that my ergo is a fake - apparently there are quite a few around, and I bought mine on ebay 'gently used' and that's one way they sell the fakes without arousing suspicion. So annoying.

Bearcrumble · 28/10/2012 08:10

to Whiteworm. How are you doing? How is work?

MrsHels My DS goes to bed around 7. If he's really tired a bit before or sometimes if I haven't got dinner together in time then 7.30 at the latest.

When he still napped for an hour or two in the day he used to go to bed at 8 or 8.30 - so he still sleeps the same amount as he did, just that it is consolidated in a single chunk now.

Bearcrumble · 28/10/2012 08:10

He tends to rise between 6 and 7 in the morning.

Climbingpenguin · 28/10/2012 13:10

Bear :)

InmaculadaConcepcion · 28/10/2012 13:45

Thanks for all the potty training tips!

Those of you who didn't spot my FB update, DD confounded us by initially refusing to have anything to do with the potty, then sat on it and produced a poo - she was more surprised than any of us and initially wanted to get off when she felt the poo coming. DH persuaded her to stay put and voila! She was very proud of herself afterwards. That was it yesterday - nothing else apart from a pee in the bath.
Today she was ignoring the potty completely until I made her some chocolate milk (thanks CP!) and she decided to drink it while sitting on her potty - whereupon a wee was produced and earned her another button. So....we shall see how things progress...

Hi Mrshels - sleepwise, DD has lights out at 19.30. Sometimes she zonks straight out, other times she natters to herself for up to an hour and a half before she falls asleep. Left to herself, she usually wakes around 07.30. She naps for an hour or so at some point between 13.00 and 15.30. And mostly she sleeps through, unless she's ill or has a nightmare.

WW good to have you back!

Bc I remember you joining us - and I'm glad you did! I enjoy your posts enormously (as I enjoy everyone's).
Can you get a phone with a quiet ringtone or one you can turn off? So infuriating when you've got the baby off to sleep to then have a well-meaning friend or relative (or worse, someone trying to flog something) call and wake them up again.
Muse - cool! Saw them some years ago (touring the second album) - they were fantastic live.
How ace your DH got that guy a deal! I can sympathise with your mixed feelings, though.

Poor old DS has started his first cold - and I've got it too. Probably the same thing DD's had this last week. I'm hoping the chesty cough aspect won't affect DS as badly - it seems to have moved from my chest to my head pretty quickly and I'm hoping DS is getting plenty of antibodies in his milk so it won't be too serious for him too. We both got reasonable sleep last night, but he was very upset at lunchtime today. I suspect he may have a scratchy throat, so gave him a tiny bit of paracetamol, which settled him down again. Bah. DD only had two very minor sniffles in her first year, the first not until she was at least 5 months old. I suppose it's typical when there's a toddler roaming around bringing all the bugs back from playgroup....

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NK2b1f2 · 28/10/2012 21:11

IC sorry to confirm for you... Dd1 didn't have a cough until she was about 14 months and had few colds before then. Dd2 had loads of colds in her first year thanks to dd1. Guess a minor positive is that dd2 is very patient when she is ill because she's had plenty if experience.
Hope you all feel better soon!

Whiteworm - lovely to hear from you. I'm liking a lot of your fb posts Grin. Sounds like things are going well for you. Smile

NK2b1f2 · 28/10/2012 22:24

Dd2 decided it was fun to jump up in the bath today, not realising I was leaning over her at the time. I now have a lovely lump on my cheekbone. If it turns into a black eye as I suspect I won't need a mask for Halloween Xmas Grin

NK2b1f2 · 28/10/2012 22:25

[hgrin] damn

InmaculadaConcepcion · 29/10/2012 15:07

Ouch, poor you NK!

I like the optimistic view of baby illness...!! DD is a right dramatist when she's ill - DS is already proving to be more stalwart.

Potty training is continuing well now - thank goodness! DD did 2 and a half wees in her potty. She flat refused the travel potty while we were out when indicating she was starting to need to go, but managed to hold on until she was home. She was in the middle of an unrelated tantrum when she suddenly got desperate and mid-meltdown, she leapt up and got herself on her potty. Apart from a few drops on the floor, she made it. What that told me is she does recognise when she needs to go now - even if it's a bit last minute!!

No poo at all yesterday, we shall see if she can muster one today.....

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SconesForTea · 29/10/2012 20:27

Evening all

Thank you all for your kind words, I appreciate it so much. I was having a real meltdown last week, precipitated by PMT I think but then my period arrived and my mood if anything got worse. Poor DH bore the brunt of it but I also cried down the phone to my mum, on my sister's shoulder in the street and when our neighbour, who is decorating for us, asked how I was I burst into tears then too. He was only being polite poor man. Maybe getting Gran's funeral out of the way helped but I feel so much better now. Having a small sherry while DH does the weekly shop.

Both our DDs go to bed between 6.30 and 7pm. They are going at the same time as they share a room (well that is the plan, DD1 is getting out of bed and climbing into DD2's cot and there doesn't seem to be much we can do to stop her - even taking away her snuggly doesn't work - honestly she will drive me to drink ), but I think really DD2 would go at 6ish and DD1 at 7ish if we were following their natural rhythms. DD1 does have a daytime nap sometimes and we put her to bed at the same time anyway. I need my evenings. She will sometimes potter away like IC's DD for a while. They do tend to sleep 12ish hours if put to bed normal time, but if we put them to bed late they sleep less and get up normal time i.e. between 6.30 and 7.30. Why IS that? So frustrating.

Lots of get well vibes being sent to all the poorly LOs, and to you too PA and IC. Very bad luck on the house deposit PA. That sounds incredibly unfair.

Mous what is your French lesson, do you teach?

Survival so Sad to hear that you lost your BF through her lack of empathy for your situation. While I hope I'd have never dropped a friend, I do remember my pre-children views on others' children and shudder. I was so judgemental. I hope you're really enjoying half term with your boys.

NK love your 7.44 lie-in Grin Just the ticket the day before the clocks went back, eh?

bc I hope for your sake that DS' keyworker doesn't leave the nursery. Surely even with a record deal he won't have enough not to work straight away? How did the DCs enjoy Tate Modern? Did you go with friends? There is just no way I'd take my two somewhere like that on my own (anywhere other than a toddler group tbh). Well done you.

MrsH hello! I think you have joined us once before haven't you? Can I be really nosy and ask why your DH is against moving DS' bedtime? When DD1 wakes at stupid o'clock - anything before 6.30 - I tell her it is still nighttime and I don't let her get up. She has a gate on her room and can't get out though. Most people are probably horrified at that but it does work in that she knows there is no point trying to wander around, she can't, so she plays in her room.

rainbow ...... just speechless at your 11am lie-in. Wow. Envy Envy Envy

Hi WW, good to see you on MN! Grin

SB How are you these days, you were feeling down?

SR I hope it's all going well with you and particularly with DH.

Re potty training. We are at our wits' ends (again!) with DD1. She has been out of daytime nappies since June, only one wee accident that I can think of, but she WILL NOT poo in the potty or toilet. She will go in her knickers readily enough so she goes commando while at home, and she just holds it until we put her night nappy on, poos and then we change it. She still needs a night nappy IMO as it is pretty full in the morning. I guess I just don't care any more, I'm happy for her to do her poo in a nappy if that's what it takes for a quiet life (and one free of pooey knickers). It really bothers DH, perhaps because he is buying the nappies and he thinks he shouldn't be any more (he initiated potty training in the first place).

Tomorrow is my Bad Day (both girls all day with no groups) so I was determined to find a group, even if it meant morning and DD2 missing her nap. Forgot it was half term. Gah. But Wednesday is my birthday, and Mum is coming. Hurrah!

SconesForTea · 29/10/2012 20:31

A question unrelated to LOs. I am having quite bad pain when I ovulate (I think). It's very like period pain and lasts about a day. I have never had this before, but I have the coil now, perhaps that has caused it (though I don't see how it can). Anyone else? It is very odd knowing when I am ovulating. And yesterday, before today's pain, DH asked if I was ovulating as he found me 'irresistible' (ignoring the backhanded complement there that I'm resistible the rest of the time). Strange.

StoneBaby · 29/10/2012 20:53

Hi scones good to hear from you

I'm okay but sad we missed our ttc date ( due to extreme fatigue) I'm doing well and think that my meltdown kast month was due to a very long cycle (38 days) amd my hormones playing up. I'm still tired (and no I'm not pg - I've already tested) but it's part of the autumn season for me. Also I think that as I don't have enough work as I'm super efficient my brain is working too much and exhausting me Grin

IC great news on the potty training. And I hope you all feel better soon

Wgen I picked up DS from nursery he was wearing a nappy! When I asked why I was told he had diarreha and not spare pants (I checjed and there're 2 in his spare bag) but the good news is that his key worker told me that if he did have any other episode he could clme tomorrow - and he didn't so no need to take a day off Smile.

Ww nice to have you back even if you were still with us on fb Grin

DS adapted very well tk the clock change. I do not!! Night all

StoneBaby · 29/10/2012 20:55

Bummer I really need to proof read when I post from my phone

StoneBaby · 29/10/2012 20:57
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Climbingpenguin · 29/10/2012 21:59

I now had ovulation pain but no real period pain anymore (apparently they have swapped). No coil here and it is pretty painful and like you lasts a day. Now that I can recongise it and take painkillers straight away it is mostly alright. No more coiling up on the sofa anyway.

my half term has filled up with playdates. I'm quite impressed considering I only started booking them on friday.

DD woke over 6 times last night! but managed to not put her into my bed until 4am. I'm sure she'll adjust as she gets used to no dummy to immediately soothe her. Going off to sleep is fine. Today she announced that DS is her best friend.

Clock change has gone fine in terms of their sleep but they were getting a little cranky at normal bedtime. Scones when moving bedtimes I have found there to be a 4 day lag on their get up time. I also often force DS onto one nap as otherwise he'll be napping at playgroup.

went climbing tonight, which was good. Especially as I couldn't belay so just got to climb or rest. Really tired me out though so off to bed.

NK2b1f2 · 29/10/2012 23:16

My Halloween face is developing well.. Dd2 bath time jump hit me right on the outer bit of my cheek bone which still sports a noticeable lump. I now have a lovely blue line running from my cheek bone to the bridge of my nose [hgrin]. Got a half price skeleton costume to go with it today.

Climbingpenguin · 30/10/2012 07:50

I'm in shock, DD slept through and overslept until 6:55. DS only fed at 10, 1 and 5 and actually slept properly inbetween. He also slept until DD got up.

DS however sounds awful so illness will probably impact sleep soon. I will take the recovery night while I can :)

Climbingpenguin · 30/10/2012 08:03

3:30 not 5, but still a good night.

InmaculadaConcepcion · 30/10/2012 09:59

Hoorah for a good night, CP!! About time! Maybe the dummy was affecting her sleep, so now she's getting used to not having it, her sleep will improve. Bad news that DS is poorly, though.

Scones good to have such a lovely detailed post from you! Sorry you're still feeling wibbly, but please keep talking to us about it. I reckon far too many mums don't share these feelings and I bet there are loads who find it hard. I've been lucky so far, but it's early days and I can already appreciate it that having more than one LO to look after is not easy at times....
No ovulation pain here - at least not so far! I'm going to get another Mirena put in soon, so I'll report back if anything occurs.

NK at least the face bruise came at the right season...!!

PT went well yesterday - all DD's wees landed in the potty and she was actually enjoying herself. She's just gone off to a gym session with DH - we'll see how she does there! Day Three No Poo however.....

Poor old DS woke up early this morning coughing, sneezing and snuffling madly AND had leaked through his nappy and baby gro into his sleeping bag. Bless him, he remained cheerful throughout, grinning with delight as I fished some of the gunk out of his nose (!) and once changed, he had a spluttery on/off feed (thank goodness my nips are healed, it would have been agony otherwise!) while trying to breathe, then quickly dozed off again. Which meant that it wasn't actually too bad a night in the end. I keep feeling like I'm somehow getting away with it and my luck's going to run out one of these days....

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