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October 2012 babies - we meet them at last!

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YompingJo · 12/09/2012 18:48

Getting thread in place in readiness!

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LoopyLa · 06/11/2012 18:44

Well done huffle I'm very interested to hear how you're doing as I'm on my lonesome next week! You give me hope that I can do it too Grin

LoopyLa · 06/11/2012 18:49

And Katla thanks for your thoughts on 'safe' stations - very smart idea by the way - & interested to hear about policemen 'bobbing'. I know some ladies use exercise ball to soothe babies while bouncing on them so I guess this is along the same lines - I shall be trying the bobbing next time the baby fusses! Thanks Smile Thanks

hufflepuffle · 06/11/2012 18:54

Well Loopy we shall see cos he is sleeping again....... Hav a sneaking suspicion we will be up all night............

But hav persevered in awake happy times putting him in baby gym and in bouncer. Didn't u ask about where to put bubba when doing things? Due to having heavy baby and me being a weakling and a but sceptical about constant contact, no sling for me in house. ( nothing wrong with, but i hav to be Realistic about how i can cope) So hoping he continues to settle on gym and in chair.

Tho we did get good sleep last night and I was up before him today and thus got washed, dressed and tidied up.

Pattern of good day bad day? Let's see how tmrw goes cos Monday was hideous!!

Angelico · 06/11/2012 20:04

Evening peeps. Quick post to say Bean is 6 weeks old and has gained a whopping 3lbs and 3 cms in length!!! No wonder my back is wrecked! So at least the blocked boob is doing something useful Confused Much better today but this is the pattern - a couple of bad days, then a few good days, then gets sore again :( Won't count any chickens just yet.

Had a lovely day with Bean but it's now colic o'clock. DH is cuddling her in other room while she squawks at intervals. She had a v runny nappy earlier so hope it isn't the new AB upsetting her poor tum BUT if I stop the AB I won't be able to keep feeding anyway Rock and hard place I'm thinking...

Love to all of you, hang in there Thanks

hufflepuffle · 06/11/2012 20:57

Wow Angelico!! That milk is working!!! Hope u get relief from bloody ducts, sounds a nightmare. I hav been thinking we are colic cursed too. This evening thus far tho has been q q calm. I've tried not to eat chocolate today or yesterday, keep coming across it as a possible trigger. But he has slept lots today so no idea what next 12 hrs might bring.

U kno I never thought about the ABs...... I was on 2 massive doses for 2 wks post op and nappies were mental. Settling now. Makes sense.

Last MW apt tmrw, I hav a long list of questions!! Poor woman!

squidkid · 07/11/2012 02:08

Well after 4 days of hell, we have had lovely settled day of mega-sleep and lots of smiles!! I feel like a new woman. Boyfriend has had her since 8pm and she hasn't needed feeding till now! Just taking Jess for the night time but she's fed well and is drifting off now so hopefully the night will be ok. And my mum is coming tomorrow. Phew. These screaming/colic days are NO FUN AT ALL. You start questioning everything...

Can I show some pics of my adorable baby ...

Jess is super cute
Another
Jess and me hiking the other day (the beco sling in action!)

sorry for self-indulgence, I just love looking at them!!
Does anyone else have baby pics I can peek at? How do I join that facebook group again? I never did before

Hope the night is going ok for everyone. xxx

squidkid · 07/11/2012 09:10

Wow! No messages overnight!! I hope that means people have had ok nights...?

My mum is here and I'm going for a run! :) :) :)

Woolybob · 07/11/2012 09:39

squid she is super cute! Hope the good days continue.

We have been generally having better nights, still very active cluster feeding evenings but she normally settles about 12 then we usually get a 4-5 initial stretch followed by not much fuss to go back to sleep after a feed. Have been pondering routines etc myself but still very baby led I think if I tried to introduce EASY now it would end up being EAESEEE as we often only manage 90 mins between feeds in the day. Will give it a few more weeks I think but interested to hear how others get on.

We also has a rather fussy couple of days with forgotten latching and general bad manners at boob but we'd also had 4 days without a poo, the strike was broken last night (she literally filled both her nappy and left baby gro leg so that was bathtime!) and since then fed much better.

Zara1984 · 07/11/2012 10:34

Hi all

Sorry I have been out of touch!!! Finally got a second to post birth story and a bit of an update. It hasn't been an easy 10 days since little Tom got here on 28 October.

I'm going to be frank and say that the past week and a bit has been the hardest of my life. This is the closest I've ever come to actually not being able to cope. It's so SO worth it to have Tom (it's hard to believe how much I love him) and give him cuddles but I'm only just starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. I mean things are getting exponentially better day by day and we're feeling more happy and less overwhelmed now but it's been a rough ride. It's been a full-on assault for all three of us, even DMIL has found it very very hard (and she raised three hell-raisers!!).

Delivery was very fast after my waters broke spontaneously after second dose of induction gel (about three hours total for 1-10cm dilation and delivery... normally it's about 1cm dilation per hour). Contractions were very fast, very close together and very FUCKING painful, eternally grateful for the epidural. Went from calm to feral screaming in about 2 minutes. An epidural by the way does not make the pushing baby out part completely painless.... why did nobody tell me that! I can safely say I totally underestimated how painful it would be, not sure if that's just because of the induction. I mean while they were examining me (just had gas and air at that point - anaesthetist was waiting for urgent 20 min bloods to come back b/c of my high blood pressure) if someone had said they had a gun and would shoot me in the head I would've said yes. I actually begged the midwife who helped me stagger into the delivery room for a c-section with general anaesthetic .... "no, dear....".

Tom did poos inside (distress from the induction) and inhaled meconium (baby's first poo) so he had to get suctioned quite forcefullly and have CPR when his heartrate plummeted. Midwife and paedaetrician started yelling and the emergency team rushed in, it was like a scene out of ER and I do not ever want to repeat that experience. :( it was all too much for poor DH who passed out at that stage with the shock of seeing poor little Tom's arms flailing limply around as they did chest compressions, and he had to be taken out by the midwives :( we narrowly avoided having Tom go in to intensive care, thank god. I had a second degree tear which took an hour of stitching but it's not too painful and is recovering well. Hahaha on a funny note there was a totally wet fourth year med student who observed the birth - first delivery he'd ever seen. DH said the look of abject horror on his face as I tore when Tom was crowning was priceless. Grin

We got home last Tuesday. Have had major bfeeding problems which were not getting any better on my own in the very busy hospital. Basically because the hospital was so busy we were just sort of dumped on the postnatal ward after my stitching was done and DH was told to go home as it was the middle of the night - me in floods of tears, bleeding profusely and trying to dress baby/feed him for first time with no help/trying to walk around and change him even though epidural hadn't worn off. Had to give him formula for a day or so when he stopped wanting to eat and had signs of dehydration. We are trying to get the bfing back on track while also getting nutrition into him however possible. Have hired a big hospital grade milking machine ;) so he is on bottled expressed milk most of the time except when I can get him to latch. There have been lots of tears (mostly mine rather than Tom's) - less so in the past few days - but I'm trying my best to keep my chin up and not feel like a failure. Baby blues hahaha yeah right more like being hit by a hormonal freight train!!

I did not expect breastfeeding to be this hard - the docs/midwives think it's because his delivery was so traumatic/had suctioning etc he doesn't like things in his mouth and his head is a bit sore. DMIL was shocked as well at how hard it's been - I think all three of us thought that people who said they couldn't breastfeed were just a bit lazy/not committed enough - we are completely 100% corrected on that point. I thought you just put them to the boob and they would just get on with it like every other mammal on the planet, but this is certainly not the case. DMIL was actually the one who suggested to just get him home and feed him formula if we had to, because I just wasn't coping in the hospital and he simply wasn't eating. We weren't prepared for anything other than breastfeeding so had to get our head around bottles/sterilising etc - a friend went out and got everything we needed and taught us what to do, it was massive help. Also I think the lack of support at the hospital has made a huge impact on getting feeding established - not to say the staff weren't fantastic, but only when I could get hold of them.

Anyway he is thriving now and that's the important thing - eating lots and lots of expressed milk and sometimes getting in one or two boob-sucking sessions in a day. He's putting on weight and is happy in every other way! It's not sustainable though to continue this very time consuming try-to-latch/give him a bottle if it doesn't work/pump milk/sterilise bottles cycle - the home-visit midwife has said to give it till Saturday. I am going to do booby boot camp between now and Saturday - just stay in bed with him as much as practical with lots of skin to skin. In practical terms he has to be breastfeeding fully and properly by the end of this month when we fly to NZ, otherwise he will have to be fully on formula. Sorry for that in-depth analysis of breastfeeding issues.... I guess it seems like not a big deal to normal sane people but that's what's been the biggest headfuck on top of the traumatic delivery and awful first few days.

So what have we been doing the past few days?? Trying to feed him, cuddle him, change him frequently, take pictures of him..... try to keep sane.... it's getting better all the time though. Today feels like the first day where I really enjoy him and am not just terrified and feel like a failure. He is perfect and an easy baby in every other way though - it's honestly just the feeding.

I think a lot of this was my mismatched expections. All of us just expected I would bf no problem and my Type A personality has not helped. Have tried everything I can think of. We are going to give Medela Calma teats a go today. Just got to get to Saturday and will reassess.

Hope all you lovely ladies and babbas are doing well!!Sorry I haven't been able to catch up on what you all have been doing. I have to get ready to take Tom and myself to doctor shortly (need to check up on my high blood pressure) and I need to change him and figure out how to to take a bottle of expressed. Yes, things like going to the doctor, everything else about taking care of a baby - the 24/7 job of trying to get him to breastfeed makes this nigh on impossible.

Fuck. Sorry for the rant. Thanks

Londonmrss · 07/11/2012 10:46

Hey Zara, Smile Just wanted to say hugs as usual and thank you for your continued support with my bf problems too. That really does sound like a terribly difficult birth. Mine, although without those kind of complications, mirrors yours in the surprise I felt at the pain I was in. Several times I thought I was dying- several times I hoped I was and even said goodbye to my husband.
But hey, we got beautiful babies out of it right? So what if they don't know what to do with a nipple... they're learning now. xx

hufflepuffle · 07/11/2012 10:52

Oh Zara much love and hugs and support, hope the shock continues to settle. Childbirth and newborns are not feckin rosy at all. Good woman for keeping up with any BF, you are a star. Glad Tom bring good for you. Best best wishes chicken xx

Midgetm · 07/11/2012 11:12

Big hugs to zara. That must have been terrifying seeing poor Tom resuscitated no wonder you are having a difficult time acclimatising. I know so many women who have done the pump and feed thing (me included but I had support and managed to get exclusive in the end). It is exhausting doing both and is not sustainable in the long term. Whatever happens you have given Tom the best start by what you have fed him so far. If you can bf, great, if you can't then so be it, you are still 100% mamma. The guilt that goes hand in hand with bf makes me Angry. Good to have you back. I had a med student with me too. He even came into surgery to watch my placenta being tugged out of me. He certainly got more than he bargained for. Grin

crazypaving · 07/11/2012 11:42

oh zara that sounds so hard. Please please be kind to yourself - you are NOT a failure!!!! Your description of CPR was horrifing Sad I just can't imagine what that must have been like. You are amazing and you're doing incredibly well in very difficult circumstances. Please, just be kind to yourself. Big hug.

YompingJo · 07/11/2012 11:49

Thoroughly shit night and, so far, day. Suspect this is the start of colic. Feeding fights sessions getting longer and longer, 2 and a half hours last night, 2 hours at 6am, 2 hours this morning. Starts OK, ends up a fight as she struggles and screams but still seems hungry, won't latch, won't settle. Swaddling worked eventually last night but not today, wide away and very cross baby. Nothing works. SadSadSad

At end of tether Sad. Phoned breastfeeding counsellor and left sobbing message, hoping to god she calls back. No idea what to do but can't go on like this.

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lisbethsopposite · 07/11/2012 12:21

Hi all - I have read up to page 4 - so I am WAY behind but I wanted to post as it has taken me ages to catch up this much.

I had a light bulb moment as to why I have been on Mnet so little since Paul was born (aside from minding a 2 yr old, getting on with BF organising AuPair (coming January) and trying to rent a house for a move closer to home etc.) The reason was with DS1, I READ Gina Ford and Treacy Hogg and took advice from every corner. I will not be doing this again, having a baby, and I wanted to learn my baby's needs from my baby - to do it by instinct. I can only say it feels like an incredible love affair and I did not want to share. However I missed you guys and I've been trying to catch up and getting lost on 'phone.

Please can I come back....?? Love hearing your news.
Elpis text with DH last night who is in the UK with work for 2 days. 5.04AM
Me: Just put baby in back bedroom. Awake since 3.15. Bollocks. Adrenalin pum,ping
DH: Shit. Hope you can get some sleep now.
Me: Too much adrenalin Angry Paul asleep, little fucker-I am not joking. Reading mumsnet, trying to calm down Brew
Me: Fuck, fuck, fuck

Little bit more after that but that was the worst of it. Today I have an angel again and I am a Hmm mother

londonlivvy · 07/11/2012 15:48

well done huffle re surviving on your own. I am absolutely terrified and tearful about DF going back to work. I'm not sure why - after all, in this breastfeeding caper I do 90% of the work anyway - but I think it's more the company and the moral support that I'll miss. I've never had DF utterly to myself for two whole weeks before and it's BLISS. I don't want to share him with the world but sadly bills have to be paid and he has to work. BOO. BUT I should realise that we are incredibly lucky to even have paternity leave.

Oh Zara that sounds incredibly tough. Well done you on getting Tom into the world safely and coping so far. This parenting gig is tough enough even when you haven't had a tough birth and ensuing problems of bffing etc. and to be expressing AND feeding - ooof - that sounds exhausting. Do try and look after yourself. My NCT teacher said that sometimes cranial osteopathy can be very beneficial on babies that have had tough births. It's a v.v.v.gentle science (I have had it on myself many times and one of those things where you don't feel like something is happening but it definitely is). Might be worth a try if things don't settle down?

squid we had a reasonable night - not a tremendous one - feeds at 10, 12, 2, 5, 7, etc - but I guess this is starting to be more normal. UGH. I went back to bed with DF at 9 and fell asleep on his shoulder. SO lovely. Hope you are enjoying some time with your boy and your mum is living up to her (frankly impressive) reputation.

oh and to add to the hormonal upheaval, my beloved sister (whom i've been phoning most days for advice) emigrates on Saturday with the kids. I'm gutted. I won't get to see her (probably) til our wedding next year. This makes me sob.

Angelico Seems mad that you are at six weeks already when we are still early days and working out the basics of parenting! I hope the colic eases.

Today we went to register the birth which was cool, so we went and celebrated in the pub for lunch. DF had to eat my lunch for me as LO decided to squeal just as it arrived, but hey, it was a lovely place and the waitress was suitably ooooh and aaaaah over the baby, which was great. AND bean's umbilical stump came off which means we can try a bath at last. YAY. Though it'll have to wait til tomorrow as DF is out at uni tonight again.

Elpis · 07/11/2012 16:29

Zara My God, that's the most traumatic birth story I've ever heard. Huge congratulations on surviving it. Given the lack of support (and your DH kicked off the ward just after! Appalling!) the fact you're breast feeding at all is brilliant. Baby bootcamp sounds exactly the right approach. Just relax in bed as much as possible, do some reading, watch some movies, take comfort in the fact he's putting on weight and growing so well. Smile

YompingJo This sounds like colic, yes. DD had it. Bfing not the problem, but I can see that doesn't help when she won't latch and you worry she's not getting enough milk. IME only movement and white noise helps and consoles them through the crying jags, though I know some people find infacol etc helpful. Big sympathy.

lisbethsopposite What you say strikes a chord with me. Sometimes you seek advice and sometimes you just want to be left alone with YOUR baby. I always feel that way after looking things up in What To Expect The First Year.

Just had 6wk check and all is fine, so I hope to take DD swimming on Sunday if I can leave DS with some expressed milk. The Medela Freestyle (or übermilcher, as DH calls it) has survived 18 months' storage, but the breast shells have spontaneously developed a weird and revolting sticky coating. I don't know the chemistry of this, but will see what happens when they emerge from the dishwasher.

DS is really being very good and I adore him. Only mild issue at the moment, apart from exhaustion during DH's absence in India (and sorry to those having a far, far harder time of it) is nappy rash. Now, he hangs to his left, IYSWIM, and the rash is only on that side. So I know it's irritation from pee. Sudocrem is stopping it getting any worse but my standby with DD, Kamillosan, doesn't help at all, and I just can't clear it up. Anyone have ideas? Not sure taking his nappy off and letting him kick around would help. Firstly, he hates being naked, and secondly he'd just pee over himself. Repeatedly.

Londonmrss · 07/11/2012 16:45

I'm totally grossed out by the unbillical stump. It's dried up and almost fallen off (we're on day 12) and it looks kind of grim. I want to tug the rest of it off so I can give the underneath a good clean but I know I have to leave it alone. One it drops off, what should I clean underneath with?

Elpis · 07/11/2012 16:54

Londonmrss even though it will look a bit weepy and vile, just a daily wipe with cotton wool and water is fine. I was surprised by how soon it looked like a tummy button.

I keep both the shrivelled old stumps in a box to frighten DD. Wink

springersmum · 07/11/2012 17:17

elpishave you tried metanium? Worked a treat on my daughter's nappy rash, also used for a mild bit on baby Springer...seems to have cleared up after a couple days. Horrid yellow colour and stains clothes though :(

hufflepuffle · 07/11/2012 17:46

Baby huffle is a milk monster. 3 wks today, 10lb8!!!!! That's a gain of 1lb5. And the bloody right nipple fecked again.

Can any of you second timers reassure us when nipples finally seem to settle??? The pain is wearing me out. Got this far, really don't want to give up Sad Sad

YompingJo · 07/11/2012 18:09

Gah. Sorry about earlier post. Big over-reaction to small issues. I know lots of others have it far worse. Just felt like the end of the world at the time in my sleep-deprived state. Midwife turned up in the thick of it all and pointed out that our 17 day old baby had just changed a bit, that's all, and was protesting to let us know she no longer wants 3-session feeds lasting 30 minutes, a quick 5 mins on each boob will do just fine thanks and she'd like some stimulation too.

I'd just got used to how she was and now she has already changed!

Have just done first expressing to relieve engorgement with manual pump. DH and I both fascinated/appalled!

Have also (shhh) just bought some dummies to give them a try. Terrified this makes me a bad mum. But also terrified of more screamathons like last night!

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hufflepuffle · 07/11/2012 18:42

Yomping did u find expressing ok? My first attempt last week hurt like feck and I'm afraid to try again!!!!

londonlivvy · 07/11/2012 19:13

oh ladies, someone please tell me I'm not losing my mind. I keep crying. I feel so bloody miserable. She's a pretty good baby, I have a nice home, a fabulous fiance and so why do I feel so fffng doom-ridden? I have the feeling of abject misery about DF going back to work on Monday and it's only Wednesday. It's not a logical emotion. It's not that I can't cope without him, after all, more that I feel like I'll never get any time with him ever again (what with uni and his work and everything) and it's going to be miserable.

I guess I feel totally reliant on him for morale at the moment, as my sis is going away and we've moved to a new area and so on, and the thought that he isn't going to be around makes me feel just like I used to feel when going back to boarding school. I know (logically) that once I get into a rhythm of mother and baby groups and NCT and all that, that I will feel less lost and less depressed, but it's hard to snap out of this gloom. DF looks a bit worried about my continual tears and I can't say I blame him. It's not my usual style.

But then nothing about parenthood is my usual style. I've just had a laborious 1h30 trying to get her to feed for more than 5 mins. She feeds, then falls asleep, then I stroke her feet to try to wake her up and she feeds for another minute, then falls asleep, and so on. Then JUST as I put her in the moses basket she's 100% awake and wailing.

I've a headache I'm so tired and I'm feeling sorry for myself. I realise that many others have a much tougher gig (all of you with two children, for starters) but I don't know how to snap out of it. Any ideas? I keep repeating squid's mantra of "this too shall pass" but will it? Really? and WHEN? (ah yes, a wish to control the future - always wise).

all thoughts and suggestions for boosting morale much appreciated.

hufflepuffle · 07/11/2012 19:18

Sorry Livvy, no time to read your post properly or reply properly but I think u r bei g normal. Lots of tears for me this week. This is all so bloody hard. But it will get better, without a doubt. Hopefully someone else has free hands for 5 mins to give you better support xx