October 2011 chattering, eating and on the move!

[strawberrypenguin]

New thread!

im sorry (before i even start)

i know i always muddy the waters, but im a libra, and the epitome of one, i have to weigh up the pros and cons.

and i studied research methods for 5 years and taught it for 2. i cant and will never accept its 5x safer from an article in the guardian or wherever and so ive found the full study/report and read it.

i know, im sad!

i'll still concede that rear facing is in theory safer than front, but from what ive just read it is based on certain conditions.

briefly then.

they only looked at usa, britain and sweden.

their samples were very small (in the teens)

a lot of the fatalities were caused by extraneous reasons.

these were, seat belt not on, child seat not fitted properly, other passengers not being seat belted and the most common being- overloaded boot.

also they reported that in the usa a high number of babies actually left their seat, which didnt seem to occur in the sweden or britain seats. They concluded this was something to do with the design only using the lap belt as a restraint.

it would seem that when there are no extraneous circumstances then there are injuries in a forward facing car seat that they say they would no expect to see if they would have been in a rear facing.

they also say that they can only look at accident reports from a few years ago (3 in this case) and that cars themselves improve continously, so will not necessarily be correct to cars now.

plus i didnt look when the report was done so it could be more than 3 years.

you get my drift.

sorry if ive bored anyone, upset anyone, confused anyone!

ipswich sorry n has been unwell, but glad the constipation seems to be easing.

strawberry welcome back. glad you had a good holiday, but very of anyone having a holiday! countdown to italy is going very slow.

dp in germany now- hence all the mnetting! he landed hours ago but has to drive 100 miles on the other side of the road from the airport to his hotel. at what point should i start panicking! ive toldhim to text me when he gets there. how long does 100 miles take? i suppose at 30mph, its 3 and a third. but not all roads will be 30 and he could get lost! argh- brain explodes!

My mum used to have me laid in the Moses basket in the back of the car and I remember when I was older laying in footwell, sleeping in boot (was an estate), laying on back seats watching the street lamps go by. Climbing from front to back and then back to boot. Also in back of landy open top on motorway. It's scsrey nowadays as know the implications.

Had considered a rear facing and looked at studies too when ds2 was small. Have concluded that the rear facing (properly fit) is safer than they used to be and should provide protection.

Been thinking about mmr tho as had boys done and ds2 dx with asd and now eldest is being referred as highly intelligent but may have dyspraxia and has markers for asd too. I really don't want to expose J to higher risk of asd. Have been reading up tho and evidence is supporting triple at moment.

More teething, looks like 2-4 coming thro at once on top and she's cut 2 bottom ones in last week so think that's why nights are hard.

mama one of my favourite memories of childhood was laying down on the back seat -no seat belt - and going to sleep, having been told that when i wake up, i will be on holiday. my dad said it every year until i was 8 and we started going abroad. it made it seem like christmas morning!

ive not had the twins done and chloe had single injections. will eventually be getting single for twins and eva.

dp is in hotel- he stopped off for a mcdonalds true brit!

Haha!

Mama it's on my mind too as ds is showing some markers (of varying degrees depending on where he is or who he is with) although we can't say for sure until we have his hearing issues resolved and can assess if that is the primary reason for his delay in speech and lack of interaction or not. There are loads of threads on here about the pros and cons and it's such a contentious issue, although I do think I'll give the girls it just think it will be a harder push for me to do it if you know what I mean!

sassy, how do you find all these research things?

we have gone for a forward facing car seat, a maxi-cosi. we actually used a chunk of our wedding money to buy that and our maclaren. It's been sitting in an envelope upstairs for nearly a year so we thought it was about time that we actually used some of it! Most of our other stuff is 2nd hand from BIL and SIL so actually this was our chance to buy something for M ourselves (and choose what we wanted!).

Took M out in new seat for the first time today. he's 8 and a half month, but ahs been over the minimum weight limit for quite a while.

haven't even thought about mmr. must find out what they do over here.

sassy Thanks for letting us know your thoughts on the research. It is amazing how the same thing can be analysed in different ways. No idea what to do now... I have been looking forward to front facing so I can easily see and reach Joseph. Still a little confused tho... Where did you find the study, would like to have a quick look too if you have it to hand

We've jsut moved E into ff, didn't even know rf was considered more safe nowadays! He's well over the mimimum weight and I am just so pleased to be able to see him. I hate rf seats.

We also did the 3 in 1, plus all the other things that sassy said above. Does that make me more of a rebel?

Has been my brithday today. Even though I know I'm not, I feel old.

emmazed click on penguin's link. find ANEC Report on the left side. click on that and the 2nd line says has a link for full report.

i must warn you that it's not an easy read although it does tell you at the beginning that they have took all sensitive material out. it says its 143 pages but most of that is appendixes. i think the report itself is 21 pages.

good look to you and your family and especially k tomorrow bb3
will be thinking about you all. xxx

*luck

x posts look happy birthday. x

god, i know something gone wrong when i am dreading bedtimes- its usually the best time of day.

gotta go and play the 'lie down' 'lie down' 'lie down' game for the next 30 mins...........can i not just smack um?!

joke btw

BB3 all the best for you and DS tomorrow x

will be thinking of you tomorrow bb3

Look - happy birthday

Thanks ladies, I feel sick at the thought of him being put to sleep, it making no difference at all to his hearing / speech or there being some complications! Gah! I have to get a grip have been bitching at everyone and bursting into tears all day and it's only ear surgery, god help me if any of them ever need major surgery!

*bb3^ is it grommets? Ds1 had tonsil out and there were a few having grommets done and it was fairly quick. I know what you mean about the putting to sleep bit . When ds1 came around he was quite distressed but he didn't remember, was effects of anaesthetic wearing off. What markers is he showing? I'm glad in a way ds2 has dx as it means when he's finding things harder teachers will understand rather than force him to go outside for example. Because he had glue ear (most likely), and J ear is incredibly waxing and painful for weeks now they have taken swab as I'm
Sure Ds2 ear infections etc affected speech. I'm hesitant as asd in girls is often more severe and I'm paranoid she'll have it .
Another tooth today (top) do that's 3 in a week and 5 altogether. Think thus counts for lack of sleep.

Will be thinking of you and your ds tomoz bb3

Happy birthday look I'm 37 in a couple of weeks feeling old

He's having grommets put in and his adenoids taken out. His Markers are mostly speech and hearing related, he has no words but jabbers constantly, he doesn't always respond to his name, can appear deaf and communicates only using physical direction and he doesn't interact well with his peers (although loves being around them). However all those things can be put down to hearing loss and lack of speech.

His nursery are also a bit worried as when he is there he doesn't want to interact with them or make much eye contact/ show emotion but I'm not as worried about that because at home he does - he always wants us to play with him here (physically drags you in the room/off the sofa to play) and does make eye contact enough for it not to be a concern, and is the most emotive little boy I know, smiling, laughing, kissing, playing etc he loves plying with his cousins in all sorts of imaginary games etc IMO he's only been at nursery for 6 weeks and after the horrendous experience of his old nursery where he was petrified of them even though he's much happier here, he's just not comfortable enough there yet (although I wouldn't rule out a dx in the future). I think I must have looked at every single autistic site in the world and he has none of the other symptoms like resistance to change, unusual play, heightened senses, repetitive behaviour etc (the lost is endless) so I'm focusing on hearing first, if that's resolved and his speech improves we will see if the markers are still present in a year or so, he's only 3 so we still have some time and can support any markers be currently has through his speech and language support x what about your ds?

Crikey the spelling and grammar mistakes in that post were appalling!

Happy Birthday look
bb3 thinking of you tomorrow . Im sure it will be over so quick then you can grab him for a huge hug. Has he to stay in overnight? Will you beable to stay too? It is such a horrible thought though with the anaesthetic. Let us know how it all goes

I'm not really clued up with the whole debate on the mmr. Is it better to have single dose rather than the 3 in 1? I must try find some information on it

Glad dp is safe sassy

lookout happy birthday :)

bb3 good luck for tomorrow

I don't feel comfortable with what I seemed to have started. FWIW I do know about research methods etc. (I am a physicist) but I do totally see your points. I try to post my views to give a balance as well as I know as a lurker in the past these things have benefited me even when I didn't say so. I am going to hide this thread but will catch up with you when the new one starts again. :) (which won't be long judging by us lot )

Good luck for tomorrow BB3

Happy birthday lookout hope it was a good one

Re mmr W will probably have the triple but I haven't completely decided yet. Not sure how I'd feel if he had it then turned out to have asd as I'm already a little freaked about his development with his head problems anyway (although doesn't seem to present with any difficulties yet and fx never will)

Hi Climbing, don't worry about it...that's us I'm afraid, everyone has different opinions and you learn a lot!!

Having said that I'm with you on the car seat issue. I really want Seb facing backwards for a while yet. Sassy I appreciate the research is still a tad patchy but I still think this is something I'm not prepared to take a risk on. We don't plan on crashing (who does?!) but I would prefer to have spent money on a safe seat that is unnecessary (through lack of crashing) than buy a cheap seat and regret it if we crash and Seb is horribly injured (or worse), as a result of the seat or not. But that's just me. I'm quite risk averse. We're also looking at the Britax Max Way. I checked with Britax and you can only buy it at certain shops where staff are trained to fit it properly - so makes it even safer, poorly fitted car seats (ff or rf) being a major cause of injury. It is also one of only three seats of that age range to pass the highest safest test in Sweden. If it's good enough for them it's good enough for me.

Speaking of Sweden, went to Ikea yesterday....only went to buy some more long sleeved bibs and that green frog feeding set that Fuzzzy recommended (so cute), total cost? about a fiver. Ended up spending £80. How does that happen? And we didn't even get meatballs!

Happy birthday lookout

BB3 good luck tomorrow. Hope all goes well.

bb3 firstly I apologise for my spelling and grammar too. I only access via phone and small keys and fat fingers . I was in two minds wether to post, but will. When preschool said about ds last year, I said he'd only been there a short time and a matter of settling in and also has hearing tests booked. I'm pretty sure I started a thread about it around July/August last year. Samuel makes eye contact with us, plays imaginatively and loves his best friend (known her always). He will drag us to play with him and gets upset if there isn't anyone to play. He makes up brilliant games and often incorporates favourite books and films into his games. Currently it's Lego star wars, he has read the encyclopaedia, plays with his big bros Lego and watch the original trilogy and the Lego one and clone wars. He gets really into a particular topic. So far space, numbers, phonics, dinosaurs, mazes, thunderbirds. When into something, games ad activities are focused by him on these. I never really saw issues with Samuel, tho looking back we didn't go to parent and toddler groups because he didn't like it and spent time trying to escape, avoided hairdressers etc as he'd get so upset by noise, would need to avoid whisking etc. just thought he would grow out of it. Very independent and potty trained himself, takes this literally, like when I said the milk would be for baby. Therefore night J born he weaned. He's very very cuddly as affectionate. He wants to be everyone's friend when out (other kids) but is clumsy socially and doesn't get personal space. Has a huge sense of fairness ad very upset if feels wronged. Particular about which cup/plate/food etc. I'd say he feels things very deeply and very sensitive. His eye contact with others isn't good and he speaks quickly and with very complicated language. He also repeats sections from films/books as part of conversation. Certain sounds hurt his ears. He's sensitive to clothes like scratchy tags. We have routines we follow and when it changes he finds it hard. When at taster session for infants last week it was as they changed song words and were doing it wrong and the book was "boring" etc. e can read and comprehend and read with expression, he can count past 100 and order large numbers. He can add and subtract. Plays chess (basic pieces) and plans 3 to 4 moves ahead. He shows affection (even to Jessica now ). However he does have extra needs and we are just so used to him we never really saw them as different to majority of his peers. I wouldn't change him one bit tho, he is so so perfect to us. but I would love for his life to be easy and worry how unkind and cruel others may be to him. Sorry long post

Forgot to lit about fearlessness too and would and does climb very very high and doesn't have any sense of danger. Has fallen literally head over heals downstairs several times and dented stud wall with his head and not even cried. (I cried tho ) but he can literally have a small graze and is screaming and saying I should take him to hospital.