March 2010 - Our Terrific Terrible Twos will be big siblings

[PacificDogwood]

I hope nobody minds, but I went and started a new thread .

Sorry, headgirls!

Afternoon ladies

Ruby hope the pain isn't too bad. Good thing your DH can get you some exercises to do, though wish you could just get proper help from your own doc!

Manda totally normal for you to still be processing the aftermath of T's birth . Would it be worth speaking to a midwife about it? I bet there's some sort of birth debrief team you could speak to. And please do post here about it if you want - I often find articulating things helps me process them.

Siamese hoping for a gin-free weekend for you!

Fliss any progress on the GTT?

Pacific thanks for the reminder that growing a big baby is A Good Thing if diabetes is ruled out - one of the consultants I see seems to be petrified about the potential size of this baby and the other one is quite relaxed (as she rightly points out, I am tall and have, ahem, a generous pelvis).

So ladies...drum roll please...scan today confirmed babyFlip is head down! Hurray! I can't tell you how delighted and relieved I am...

Though it's been a funny few days, as last Sat night I woke during the night with the discomfort of the baby moving and bump felt (and looked) different the next morning. So I was hopeful the baby had moved but still felt a suspicious round bump up high so didn't want to get my hopes up. The midwife yesterday confirmed the baby was still breech (she's v experienced, been a midwife for 30+ years, so I was also convinced...and more than a little upset that all my plans for a vbac seemed to be slipping through my fingers). Last night I actually spent time with an ice pack on the top of my bump and a heat pack on the bottom while watching telly (this was after the upstairs neighbour spotted me through the front window yesterday afternoon crawling around on all fours singing turn baby turn - did I tell you I was desperate to get this baby to turn ).

Then at the hospital this morning the senior registrar confirmed again it was breech - yes, that bump is the head - and I even let a medical student feel for himself. As my hospital doesn't routinely offer ECVs to women who've had a previous section, I insisted I wanted one so he had to speak to the consultant. Who then insisted I have a scan to check cord/placenta and discuss the ECV and lo and behold, first thing she said was baby's fooled us all and is head down!

So I'm now back to looking forward to spontaneous labour and a vbac (though Fliss they're already giving me pressure about going overdue and I'm only 35 weeks [sigh] - consultant has recommended a sweep at 38 weeks and I'm supposed to be back at the clinic at 39 weeks...which is DS's birthday so am going to cancel that appointment on Monday and rebook for 41 weeks instead! It's a fortnightly clinic).

Sorry for the ramble! Happy weekend to one and all

Flip GTT was normal so just a big baby, although I am expecting an average sized one to appear based on the stories I've read on MN (v.scientific research method!)

Anyone giving you grief about going overdue should be TTFO if you're not bothered by a few days/weeks longer than 'average' - tell them you're passing the message on from me if you like. Are there any higher risks with going 'overdue' with VBAC plans? Unless they want to induce then surely not, but if you went down the expectant management route and a problem showed up on a scan then surely the safest option then would be EMCS ASAP for any woman regardless of vbac status rather than subjecting a baby with a failing placenta or similar to two or three days of induction and the stresses of being born vaginally anyway?

Hooray for non breach babies and neg GDDs :)

Boo for AF and another cycle. It took a year to conceive DD, by which time I was so stressed about it, and so obsessed with temping, charting, peeing on things.. I don't want that to happen again. I also started to resent people announcing their pregnancies, which really made me feel horrid. I think that's kind of returning too, when my best mum friend recently announced she was expecting dc2 my first thought wasn't 'yey' but 'why not meeeee?' swiftly followed by a mental slap in the face and 'congratulations'. She was quite nice when I talked about how I felt though ( she supported me through my rough patch last year- which, on reflection, probably all started when we couldn't conceive dd). Anyone recognise this? Being jealous really makes me feel awful.

Anyway, went to see woman in black today (dd in nursery, DH and I had day off) which was v scary but a bit daft in places. And bought DD some birthday duplo. Going to see Elmo Rocks at the theatre with dd tomorrow :)

Hope you all have a nice weekend. < cheers>

Happy birthday sarah ds2 tomorrow.

GTT durr

Siamese :( Boo for your AF. You can't help the way you feel either and nor should you feel bad about it.

Elmo Rocks sounds fabulous :)

Siamese sorry to hear AF got you though Elmo Rocks sounds cool (and you and DH at the cinema together - am !). I remember feelings like that very clearly when trying (and in our case failing) to get pregnant naturally when trying for DS. I'm glad you've been able to talk to your friend about it, as there's nothing at all "wrong" with feelings like these. Perfectly normal imho but better to be acknowledged than to be kept hidden. Still, on wards and upwards, towards another cycle and at least you can enjoy some

Sarah happy birthday to DS2 for tomorrow! I can't believe the run of birthdays you've had recently - lots of fun but expensive I imagine!

Fliss I think the issue with a vbac is that it becomes less likely to be successful the longer overdue you go. But induction with pessary/drip isn't an option (it increases the risk of scar rupture though some doctors are happy to try it...though in my case since I effectively had an allergic reaction to the pessary it's not something I could even try again without having had a section!). But I'm going with expectant management all the way, since if there is any problem that needs immediate action I'd go straight to section anyway. I think I've got a great chance of a vaginal delivery if I can just be allowed to go into labour naturally.

Fliss somehow missed your good news re GTT last night - glad to hear no worries on that front

Happy 2nd birthday to Elliott and squigglys lo today! cannot belive they are 2 already x

Elliott has had a mickey mouse play house(crap plastic toy that is not worth the price) and its a hit! he loves it! hahahahaahhhaahahha

Hope everyone is ok x bumps babies and all x

copied this from previous thread!

Here's a list, for birthday references. I've removed DCs' names and tried to account for any namechanges, so apologies for any mistakes:

1. evitas ? DS ? 6th February 7lb 4
2. Pureeandpearls ? DD#2 ? 17th February
3. EmLouT ? DS ? 18th February
4. Mumbot ? DS ? 18th February
5. squiggleywriggler ? DD#1 ? 19th February
6. snowflakesarahandco ? DS#3 19th February 7lb 11
7. BulletProofMum ? DD#3 ? 24th February 7lb 4
8. Summer2008 ? DS ? 24th February 7lb 6
9. Potpourri ? DC ? 24th February

10. Twofalls ? DD#2 ? 26th February 7lb 2 11. TakingLovingChances ? DS ? 27th February 8lb 6 12. Scooby26 ? DS ? 28th February 7lb 8oz 13. Tigresswoods ? DS ? 28th February 14. Underactivethyroidmum ? DS ? 1st March 6lb 10 15. Mawbroon ? DS#2 ? 1st March - 5lb 15 16. Skidd ? DS ? 2nd March 17. Cyphercat ? DD ? 2nd March 6lb 18. Smac ? DD#2 ? 2nd March 11lb 1 19. Mumof8plus4 20. Lisbapalea ? DD ? 2nd March 21. LaTristesse ? DS ? 6th March 22. Itwascertainlyasurprise ? DS ? 7th March 23. HeartOfCrystal ? DS ? 7th March 24. MissPenteuth ? DD ? 7th March 7lb 25. AbsB ? DD ? 7th March 26. Grizzer ? DD ? 7th March 5lb 12 27. BlueyDragon ? DS ? 8th March 28. Westlondongirl ? DS ? 8th March 8lb 7 29. Sariska ? DD ? 9th March 6lb 14 30. LEMONADE GIRL ? DD ? 9th March 31. PacificDogwood ? DS#4 ? 10th March 6lb 9 32. SiameseIfYouPlease ? DD ? 11th March 7lb 10 33. MandaHugNKiss ? DS#3 ? 11th March 9lb 12 34. FourLittleDucks ? DD ? 11th March 35. NorthernNumpty ? DS ? 12th March 8lb 5 36. Iwonka ? DD ? March 12th 37. Ilovegreenbeans ? DD - 13th March 10lb 14 38. Flisspaps ? DD ? 13th March 39. JasHook ? DS ? 13th March 40. Mad4MaineCoons ? DD#2 ? 13th March 8lb 14 41. CoffeeMummyy ? DD#2 ? 15th March 7lb 8 42. FlipFantasia ? DS ? 16th March 9lb 1 43. Mumof2point5 ? DD#3 ? 16th March 44. BellasYummyMummy ? DD#2 ? 17th March 45. PixieOnaLeaf ? DDs#4&5 ? 18th March 6lb 3 and 6lb 1 46. Annamama ? DD#2 ? 18th March 7lb 47. Donttrythisathome ? DD ? 18th March 48. MummyElk ? DD#2 ? 19th March 9lb 2 49. Designerbaby ? DD#2 ? 20th March 9lb 50. Dalrymps - DS#2 - 20th March 6lb 14.5 oz 51. Scootergrrrl ? DS ? 21st March 8lb 5 52. DizziDoll ? DS ? 23rd March 9lb 3 53. LouBudd ? DD ? 23rd March 54. Kay1980 ? DD ? 25th March 9lb 10 55. Rindercella ? DD#2 ? 26th March 9lb 3 56. Swingsofglory ? DD ? 27th March 57. Opalfruity ? DD ? 28th March 58. Henrietta ? DS ? 30th March 8lb 4 59. Shroomer ? DS ? 30th March 8lb 9 60. AfriBaby ? DD ? 31st March 61. Arcadie ? DS#3 ? 1st April 7lb 12

You beat me to it sarah, I literally just copied that from the previous thread and was going to post it! Happy birthday to E. and to squiggley's S. as well. Mickey's Clubhouse (the TV show; we haven't bought any of the toys yet!) is a new favourite with Izzy too; if we lose anything or break anything in the house Izzy tells me "Oh Toodles help"

Busy with MIL visiting atm. It's nice to have an extra pair of hands when I'm feeling a bit rough.

Yay for Flip's no-longer-breech baby and Fliss' negative GTT. Sorry about AF Siamese :(

Just spot marking - got GTT tomorrow, too...

I can't believe the birthday season is here again (and your family's birthday season sounds like mine, sarah, we're all January and March).

It's great to hear about the next generation, as it were, even if it's not all plain sailing. Don't desert us for other post natal threads though will you?

But sorry to hear your news Siamese, watching other people get/be pregnant must be hard. No 1 came along though, so your body knows what to do.

Pacific, given Alex's enormous size I think he qualifies as a Big Sibling even though There Shall Be No More Baby Dragons. Which is what you meant, right?

Manda, I've wanted to go to Chez Bruce for years, everyone I know who's been has raved about it. Your post made me and [hungry].

Nearly home. My home which had no Walls or roof in the cold spell. Still, Alex lloves the builders and we love stopping him playing with the power tools.

bluey Won't mention I'm going again on Sunday...

THe toptable offer is too good to resist! And as I can't drink, nor DF as will be driving, it's probably less money than if we go to, say, Strada and do drink. Be silly not to, right? That's what I think and I do so want the cote du beouf because the scrap I managed to get off DF's plate was scrumptious

ANd which cold spell are you speaking of? Been positively spring like today! although rain forecast for the rest of the week

Just had a tres amusing conversation with James:

J: Daddy? Daddy?
Me: Daddy gone out
J: Uh oh!

Wow, such an observant little chap already; you couldn't make this stuff up!

Manda how did the GTT go?

It was a weird old day/experience, fliss I slept horribly the night before, literally only a few broken hours. Got to the hospital and they finally took my blood at 9.30am/gave me a lucozade! I thought it very low tech! Was expecting a concoction to drink, not the 'poorly drink' from my childhood

I tried to read my book. James was at home with DF so the opportunity to read uninterupted for two hours seemed too good to be true... and it was. Couldn't concentrate. Was literally struggling to keep my eyes open!

Now sport a bruise on each arm (her digging around for my vein at the 11.30am blood was fun!) and black sticky bits that seem to not want to go anywhere (she used a MILE of micropore for each cottonwool ball - what's that all about?! Was PAINFUL to take off!). I can call in 'a couple of days' for the result if I want or they'll contact me if there is an issue. As I have the consultant on Wednesday anyway I guess they'll be able to pull up the result on the screen if I ask then.

Was very blah/tired/irritable the whole day even though I ate a massive tuna salad granary bap straight after getting out of the hospital. What this means wrt the results, I have no clue as Dr Google seems to suggest some women have no reaction and all is well, or all is not well and others have lots of symptoms and all is well, or all is not well! No rhyme or reason.

Will make the most of dessert tonight by pinching half of DF's too; he's already said he's having creme brulee! The man who doesn't like dessert! just in case

I was wired after having the drink (no lucozade for me, some rank drink used to treat malnutrition!) and then exhausted that afternoon. Fingers crossed yours comes back normal too

MAnda Sorry to hear about the GTT horridness. Sounds like no fun at all.

Hope those of you with birthdays coming up are looking forward. We're still over a month away til Simmy's 2 so I'm giving it no attention atm. What plans for presents for all of yours? I know I've already had a 2 yr old boy but it was a long time ago and in fairness I was very postnatal and don't remember much about it. I think we'll get Sim some schleich toy animals and probably a toy tractor from an aunty or uncle. What I want to ask for is clarks shoe vouchers and for someone to pay for some swimming lessons..... (it'll never happen. No one gets a 2 yr old "just money" even if it's for a good cause).

And MissPenteuth I've FINALLY graduated onto level 3 of the Shred. Every muscle hurts and I was mostly following the low impact bird. There is not a cat in hell's chance of me EVER doing a full sit up. I don't think that woman's even real. I think she may be a robot.

It's rkd with a real post, and all! Yay! (yes, there is little bosom to squish into, and actually this 28 week measuring 32-33 bump in th eway would also be a hinderance but, y'know, the wsentiment is there, right?!)

Well, firstly well bloody done for reaching level 3 of t'shred. One and half attempts at level one actually killed me. No actually. I'm technically living dead now. Apart from the mental satisfaction of moving through the levels, what results have you noticed? Or, indeed, what have other people noticed?

As for pressies, with just under two weeks to go until James turns two I have given it No Thought. Infact, I feel quite sure that I/we won't actually buy him anything as he'll get plenty from other people and it seems... wasteful? It's not like it means anything to him at this age.

fliss Did you find waiting for the results messed with your mind? I mean, I keep eating more sweet stuff than I usually would on the off chance that I am about to be 'banned'!

missP been mia for a while... I guess sickness must be kicking her butt. Either that or the MiL visit went horribly wrong and she's currently languishing in Holloway

So, Chez Bruce was very good again - Foie gras, Cote du beouf and Blood Orange sorbet for me (too much 'richness' left me just wanting a clean palette again at the end). We also took Df's Dm and Step Dad who also came away impressed. It's deffo my new restaurant of choice although I ought to try the sister restaurant that is 2 minutes up the road from me rather than a 25 minute drive.

Awwww thanks Manda I miss you guys. And your bosoms.
I kind of agree on the wasteful thing with a two year old. Esp as we have A HOUSEFUL of toys...

And thanks for the congrats. I'm currently at about 3 stone 3 weight lost (but that's not just exercise related, have dieted too) but I do feel more toned. Apart from the saggy saggy belly. :(

to all other MMMs

KIDDING My MIL is lovely actually, but we've also had my Dad visiting last week (Operation Mould Removal in Izzy's room; turns out bookcases against cold external walls are a Bad Idea), FIL visiting next weekend and my Mum the week after that for Izzy's birthday so I'm sure visitor fatigue will set in at some point. On the other hand, an extra person to play with Izzy is good at the moment as I'm nauseous half the time and tired the other half.

Arcadie that is impressive weight loss, well done you! You must feel great. And well done on Shred L3. I'm really not up to exercising at the moment, but maybe I'll get back to it if I feel more normal in a few weeks' time.

Manda Chez Bruce sounds amazing, I love a nice meal out but these days it's more likely to be Giraffe or Pizza Express than Nobu for us. And I hope your GTT result comes back normal.

Just over two weeks till Izzy's birthday; I think we're getting her a toy till and a doctor's set. She's really into pretend play, especially tea parties and making "soup" (Lego bricks/Lego people/various other small toys in a big bowl). I'd love to get her a toy kitchen but we don't really have room.

Not much else to report, except that Izzy's back molars are coming through, so she's been really grumpy. Oh, and tantrums, bless her, she just gets so upset sometimes, which could be the teething or just her age. She's mostly very sweet though; DH has been struck down with terrible tooth pain after having a filling done last week, and Izzy told him today "Tooth better Daddy. I promise" :)

Happy birthday to scooby's DS for tomorrow!

Arcadie Lovely to see you properly! We're not getting DD much for her birthday to be honest. We've got her a new dress (that will do her all summer), a couple of books and bits and bobs and then we're putting money into her bank account. We'd be buying presents for the sake of it which seems daft and she got SO much for Christmas that hasn't been bothered with that it's just wasteful to buy even more tat toys. Much like Manda says really.

3 stone 3? You go woman! I think that's probably what I've gained, but I've not bothered getting on the scales since September(ish) so I don't actually know. Will weigh myself once DC2 arrives and then see how much work Jillian has ahead of her!

Manda I got the result for mine the following morning, so there was no waiting around really - just one day of misery and knackeredness and then I phoned for the results the following day.

MissP Hope you're not feeling too sick (remember, TTSP!) and that the teething is also over quickly. With you on the tantrums and getting upset too, sometimes DD can be a real drama queen (just like her father) If you're not too fussed by pinkness then the Peppa Pig kitchen is very small - we have one that DD had for Christmas (not that she uses it for anything other than taking apart and throwing on the floor). It's not as naice as the Ikea one I'd like to get though :(

Evening ladies

RKD hello! Great to hear from you . And well done on the weight loss and shredding - I bet you look fabulous .

Manda hope your GTT comes back clear. I had mine on a Friday and called up for the results on the monday afternoon (or Tue morning). I also ate loads of bad things - felt like i had to cram them in in case they were banned! Was actually glad to get back to "normal" food like oatcakes and hummous...

MissP glad to hear you're not in Holloway . Though sounds like you have a run of visitors. Hope they're helping out and that the MS is passing.

Presents-wise, we're getting DS a micro mini scooter (so that he hopefully stops stealing scooters off other kids in the park and joyriding on them ). Also hoping the scooter will help when the baby's in the buggy over the summer. We got him a wooden kitchen at Christmas time (a small one, as also limited space) and he loves it. Makes breakfast and soup and stores all his treasures in the oven (he actually helps out a fair bit in the real kitchen too - he's a top egg cracker!). We also got him schleik (sp?) animals at Christmas so will add a couple of more for his birthday since we're going to spend the day at the zoo and can buy them there. I love them - so realistic but so reasonable too.

I'm in my last week at work...and in official meltdown mode - so much still to do! I've been a terrible procrastinator and it's catching up with me now!! Why did I waste the last few months obsessing about pregnancy and not working properly!!! And to be honest, still so much to do around the flat that next week will be spent finally getting baby stuff sorted and hospital bag packed etc. 37 weeks on Friday. And on Thurs I'm helping my doula out by being a model at a spinning babies course she's doing...tis the least I can do in return for this baby conveniently being head down at my 35 week appointment .