Nov 05 Babies - They're ALL here!

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Here we go, was going to write something lovely and meaningful, but I'm not very good at it so I'll leave that to someone else.....

i've just found out our local cinema does parent and baby screenings too - so excited! thanks to those who mentioned them, as i'd have never realised such things existed otherwise.

BoB - there are still places on the friday class. It only started up in December so there aren't that many full members yet, but the wednesday one is always full. In a way it's better being in the newer one as all the mums haven't already made friends and are more open to starting a conversation.

Had a sudden thought about leaking nappies - my post natal teacher said to make sure you weren't putting on too much barrier cream as this can rub off on the nappy, preventing the wetness getting through to the core properly. Just an idea...

ooh good nova - can we just turn up and register on the day or is it neccesdary to book ahead? it'll have to be a week on friday though as i want to go to see brokeback mountain this friday morning.

thats a good suggestion re. nappies to, i am pretty liberal with the cream after he had bad nappy rash last month. i'll try putting less on and see if it does the trick.

BoB - you'll need to book in advance for the session. The phone number is 020 7229 9294, and you'll be entitled to a free taster session as it's your first time there. Not sure about your cousin though as she's already been??

If you want to email me my address is: my MN talk name @hotmail.com

What barrier do you use? I swear by the baby barrier and baby balm from Neals Yard - here . I put on the balm then put on the barrier each time and Nat has never had nappy rash or even the slightest hint of soreness. I much prefer natural stuff to the petroleum based products.

i am using bepanthum ointment which cleared the rash really well. i was using sudocrem before, which wasn't great. the neals yard one looks good, i'll have to get some, i tend to use the little me organics for bath and skincare so it's be nice to gte natural nappy cream too.

i'll email you about gymboree!

chacha - i have heard of shaving babies heads too, but i'd be terrified if we decided to do it, oskar has a lot of loose skin on his scalp and i'd worry about hurting him. he had some hair which all fell out except for the back inch or so at the nape of his neck, it's now growing back but he has a hilarious mullet at the moment.

Hey y'all,

ChaCha glad you're okay. BoB you going to Greenwich Picturehouse? That's my local, want to meet up? Or you might wish to go incognito.... either way I'll be there too, isn't it great! Have been 3 weeks in a row now and feel full of the joys of life each time. yay...Love the movies!

Lol at Oskar's mollet BoB! Banies do sport an interesting array of hair-do's don't they!

I mean babies

Hello All, seems my theory about the bath after bottle may have been right. DH gave T a bath last night (I had fed him around 4pm ish) and so I had left instructions (as had gone out to Brownies - yes you guessed it, hence nick name!) to offer him another bottle after bath, before bed - it didn't really matter how much he took. Apparently he took a couple of ounces or so, went to bed as usual around 7ish, was asleep when I got back at 8pm, and didn't wake up till 5:15am!!!!!!! How marvellous was that - what a good baby!! Will see how long this massive sleeping lasts for!
Someone was asking about contraception - I have gone back on the pill - Dr said to start on first day of period. Which I did. But low and behold, it appears I have another period - already! whats all that about!?
My Post NAtal group has finished meeting each week now - only had about 4 official sessions , which is a shame as I quite enjoyed it, and it made me do a 2 mile walk minimum each week! AM going to a baby resusitation class this Friday (have done it before in Sept, but thought it worth having a refresher).
Busy - did you manage to send an invite to the Yahoo group? Think put my email address on a previous post, but here it is again, just in case [email protected]
Thanks in advance
Hope you all have a good night.
Brownie

londoner - that would be great! email me ami_grrl at hotmail..com if you want to make a plan.
it'll have to be a one off for me though as i plan to go to gymboree with nova , which is annoyingly on the same day. do you know if the filmworks does parent screenings? i can't stand the place but i could deal with it for a chance to get to the cinema. it's funny dp commented on how i was never bothered about going to the cinema before, so we only went once every couple of months but now i am desperate to go. must be because i know its almost impossible with oskar in tow so it makes me even more determined, hehe.
better go..celeb bb is calling! hope george and dennis go...

Evening everyone! Good to hear everyone's news - hope things are a little better Chacha; I don;t know who said it, but to have a completely baby-free day/afternoon/even hour! helped me with dd2 when the blues hit, just doing NOTHING at all, One 'problem' with 3 is that you're always left with at least one when people try to help! (sorry, that sounds really selfish ).
ENTHUSIA: re: Feb 9th,Warrington, I would be happy to meet you later on in the day after my driving lesson - say 3/4ish in Starbucks? Scarlett will be in nursery, so a little easier! BTW, we passed THE bustop today, and so the story was told again...and again... . Be good if you could make it up to Sheffield too .
CBB: just seen eviction episode, while flicking back to adoption thing on BBC1 at same time (never works!)...glad George is gone, though found Davina interview technique a little irritating. Too tired to see later one, but hope it's Dennis!
RE: weaning debate, I too am happy to stay with milk for as long as possible, the novelty having worn off with dds! Remember the difficuties of trying to heat up jars of food in service stations where they would only give you tap-hot water (apart from the life-saving Moto chain with a microwave for parents to use, free nappies, bibs, wipes, organic baby food (we even popped in once just to swipe a free jar .). Probably looking at a 6 monther here as Libby struggles to take more than 4 ounces at each feed, though is keeping her weight up and had the chubbiest cheeks (reminds me of embarrassed 'friend' at Jo Jingles today, who exclaimed 'wow, she's coming on!...she's definitely got your...err...your err..cheekbones!! .
Speak tommorrow! Will try to keep up more
Diege and Liberty

and[angr]....just watched that program on bbc1 about adoption, horrific, makes me want to travel out there, scoop them all up and bring them back here
and about the cpl from america who adopted 2 x2yr olds, a boy and girl, the boy had a cleft lip and palette, he wouldnt bond and 1 night the mother was at work and the father bathed him in scalding water and scalded his little body, they then failed to get him medical attention for 5 days until he couldnt hardly breath, they then rang 911 and he died upon arrival at the hospital

we also have the problem of alfie wanting to be held etc whilst were eating dinner, i usually make sure hes been feeding for at least 1/2hr before tea, then put him in his bouncy chair and bouce it with one foot whilst eating!(lazy mummy keeps forgetting to get battries for it!) we also have a swing so sometimes put him in front of the tv in it and put it on slow speed and he sits there watching the colours and movements-not for long though!

cant wait to see this prog on 1st feb about extended breastfeeding, be intresting to see what course it takes.......

have alfies 8 wk check tommorrow+injections etc and finally i can get my contraception sorted!-we havent had it since the day before alfie was born-hes now 8+1/2wks!!! but i really couldnt risk anougher pregnancy and we shall be using both mini pill and condoms until i stop breastfeeding, then i can go on the injection.

well, best go L

Enthusia - you could try putting him down for a half hour nap around 8pm maybe - it sounds like a long time for him to be awake so he probably gets overstimulated/overtired.

\ChaCha sorry to hear about you feeling down. I do that on some days too - I feel like life's a roundabout which I can't get off! Maybe you need to get out with some friends or something?

BoB - with the loose skin on the scalp thing - Caleb had the same and I was told put some baby oil on and leave it for an hour, then shampoo it and rub the shampoo in with a baby hairbrush, and when you risne it off it all comes out - magic!

Busy - you know 'they' say that TV overstimulates babies - so that might contribute to him needing to be held?? That scalding thing is horrible

Morning all

Well the swing sort of worked, he did sleep in it but only AFTER we had finished dinner - screamed all way through it!!!!! Wouldn't go down earlier either just screamed. He is tired that it easy to tell but he just battles it. It is funny as he doesn't cry at all before 4pm but after four he cries nearly non-stop til 6 then he is ok then from end of bath until 9ish. The only way to settle him is to hold him. He will then fall asleep on your shoulder!!!! I WILL NOT BE BEATEN THOUGH!!!!!! Will try routine with chair from last night again tonight! Beartime - We try to keep everything dark from bathtime onwards and face Sam away from lights etc (apart from one which he loves looking at) but he will not go down any earlier, he just screams and gets into a state and will not calm.

Diege meeting on the 9th would be lovely, just say a time as I practically live in Warrington Starbucks!!!!!!!!! Am just looking at the sheffield meet but DH is now saying he may travel to Bradford that afternoon, so we would need to leave early so might not make it!

Right off to postnatal group, then shopping, then meeting a friend this afternoon - busy day

Byyyeeeeee

Ok have found trains from Liverpool to Meadowhall, takes 2 hours and a return is £25, not too bad!!!! What time were you meeting? I won't know whther I will be able to make it until DH has sorted out what he is doing but I can make provisional plans!!!!!

Hi all,
BoB sounds great.... hope to be able to make it but have dd1 at home again today with sore throat and earache, nothing too bad so hopefully we'll nip it in the bud today and she'll be back at school tomorrow. Don't know about anyone else with other kids but seem to have at least one day each week at home with poorly kids this term, ds1 was off yesterday with the same thing but has gone back today...yawn yawn, sorry guys.
Beartime, thanks for tip on getting out cradle cap, have not tried that before, will have to search for baby hairbrush amongst dd1 dolls ......bought it for ds1 but has never been used as all my babies practically bald until 2 years old lol.
Enthusia- phew, feel tired just listening to your itinerary!
Have a great day!

oh dear..hope she feels better soon londoner!
oskar has a really sniffly nose this morning, i'm almost certain it's because the heating isn't on . we had a gas cut last night, and the damn people at n-power won't send anyone out until next monday! very annoyed as you'd think having a tiny baby in the house would class us as a priority case.i'll have to go get him a baby sleeping bag and a room heater today.

also just read that the owners of the covered market in greenwich are looking to demolish it and build a block of flats! i can't believe it, i love that place and it really is the heart of the village. surely it should be protected? i think its 250 years old.

ah well..enough moaning..best go do my sterilizing...yawn...

Morning everyone! Had a really strange dream last night that we had a meet-up and one of us was a Roy-cropper type man!! We didn't speak at all, and everyone sat alone on benches, then people went off to the cineman, but I went into a different room where there was a lecture, and one of my students (real one) was pestering me for an extension for an essay! When I came out you had all gone . Sorry to bore you, but felt I had to 'share'! (I won't say who the man was!)
Enthusia: great! Shall we say 3.30 ish in Starbucks, but will confirm next week? Re: Sheffield, it will probably be mid-day by the time Twinkle and I get there - wonder if you could fit in her car too? (I'm going up to Hadfield and getting a lift from there). Sorry Twinkle, a bit cheeky I know, but a possibility?
Also, Enthusia, does sound like Sam (and you!) might benefit from an earlier bedtime - bit controversial I know,and just my opinion, but I would let him cry it out a bit in his cot in the dark if you are sure he is tired - maybe for 10 minutes at first? It will be better on subsequent nights I promise!
BAM: agree about adoption programme. Kept missing bits as watching CBB at same time, but thought the images from the Romanian orphanages were horrific . Felt very sad for 6 month old baby who looked like a newborn . Will watch it properly next week (didn't you find the nanny of the chinese little girl irritating when she kept on trying to introduce adoptive parents as mum and dad - for god's sake woman, shut up!.
Well, time to get dressed!
Diege .

Enthusia - i promise you, Sam is ready for an earlier bedtime. Natalie was exactly the same and DH and I had to take it in turns to eat dinner while the other one held Nat. Then we slowly moved her night time routine from 7.30 to 6.30, so she's in bed by 7 and it's been amazing - for her and us. It means we get to spend the evenings together, and she doesn't get grumpy. It won't happen for him immediately, but give it a week and he should start to settle. 'They' say to make the bedtime routine last about 1/2 an hour, any less and they feel rushed, any more and they get over tired. We start at 6.30 with her last feed, then she has a bath, then a massage in her room which is very dimly lit, then the rest of her feed, then a cuddle, then put into her cot, then i leave the room. Sometimes i need to go back in after about 10mins if she won't settle, but then it's just a hand on the chest, or the briefest cuddle. If you're bf-ing it may be better for DH to do this.

BoB - how do you travel over to west london? If it's quite easy then I could always come over to you at some point.

diege..lol at your dream. i too have beeen having vivid and strange dreams , it started during pregnancy and is still happening.
the other night i had just read about someone on here coimplaining that mothercare was selling reduced formula, which is illegal. i dreamt that i bought some on sale in boots and this lady behind me started punching me, and then called the police who arrested me ..teehee

nova- i feel bad about oskars routine, he usually stays up til about 10pm, as dp doesnt get it til 8 so would never get top see him. selfishly it also means i generallly don't have to wake up during the night, as he will sleep through to 6am or sometimes even 7.
i get to west london by taking the direct train from blackheath to charing cross which takes about 15 minutes, then walk up to oxford street and get the central line. if i'm feeling energetic i sometimes walk along the mall and then up through hyde park.
you should try and come over this way, i think londoner, goldenoldie and beksmum live around here too?

Lol at your dream Diege, go on you've got to tell us who the man was!!!

Bob, Thomas is in the same routine as Oskar and I've now had 4 full nights sleep and feel like a new woman and he's not waking up till 7am either - bliss as I'm definitely not a morning person.

The plans for the market have been going on for quite some time as they are trying to sell the land on the uncovered market too, not sure whether they still are but they were a year or so ago when my mum and dad use dto have a stall down there.

Right off to get some lunch while Thomas is asleep, trying to beat his cold. Beks

Oh before i go I was working on Thomas's naming ceremony last night and came across this poem from The Baby Naming Society which really made me smile, called Night Night Mummy:

At seven o'clock every evening my mum tucks me up in my bed.
I'm nice and snug in my 'jamas, beside me my faithful old Ted.
I always nod off very quickly - before Mum has turned out the light, but when it's her bedtime much later, well then I wake up for the night.
For there's no time of day I like better, than the hours between midnight and three, for mum hasn't got any housework and can give her attention to me.
And when I start yelling and shouting, Mum knows that she has to be quick for the night when she leaves me to grizzle is the night I decide to be sick.
But Mum can't mind in the slightest at being my playmate 'til two - she'd normally spend this time sleeping, for she's nothing much better to do.
Some nights she mixes a cocktail from the bottle she keeps on the shelf, which sometimes she gives me to swallow - and sometimes she gulps down herself!
And if in the morning I'm sleepy, and feel in need of a perk, I can have forty winks in my pushchair while Mummy gets on with her work.
But nothing's as nice as the night time.
And nothing can equal the pleasure of finding it's four in the morning and being Mum's wide-awake treasure.

Ring any bells ladies !!!

yoo hoo,
Enthusia would be great if you could come too I would love to take you but we will not all get in the car 3 adults + 3 babies so sorry When dh gets new 7 seater it will be possile though so maybe next time.Still the train was not too bad. Just got phone call from school!!! dd fell off bench and banged head ds is having a nose bleed !!! better go
twinkle & josh

beksmum - re the routine, its great isn't it! i'd much rather have him alert and playful during the evening than at 4am, but i guess different routines suit different people. i'm sure it'll change when he's a bit older but it's great for now.
lovely poem by the way, we are also considering a naming ceremony, but most of my family consider it 'hippyish' whereas dp's are pushing for a greek orthodox christening!?- yeh right..hehehe

speaking of which, must have a little rnt about m.i.l she called on tuesday and said she'd be in london between 3pm and 8pm and we should meet in town. yet she never called to verify the plan and has her mobile turned off..grgr.
she did the same thing when we met last time, made a vague plan days before then called me when she was there demanding to know where i was. as if i'll set off with all the baby junk just to hang around and hope she calls to tell me where she is
no doubt i'll get a call in half an hour insisting i should be in leicester sq. in the next five minutes , grr.
dp reckons i should tell her to come over here or just refuse to go, given it'll be rush hour by the time i get there, but i'd feel too guilty.
goddam it hey!?

Bob I agree with your dh make your m.i.l come to you, nuts to travelling in the rush hour with a baby!!! Beks