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April 2011; springtime arrivals - blackbird, song thrush, mistle thrush, nipple thrush, nappy thrush...

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ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 06/06/2011 15:21

Here we are, our new thread and this time we all have our babies !

I thought we were getting thrush again, but then realised I had let ds's latch get sloppy. He was constantly clicking and tutting at the breast but I was too distracted to notice.

Ds and I made butterfly cakes together this morning, ds got to choose the colour of the buttercream icing ..... It is a very lurid shade of pink and they are covered in sugar strands. You can never have enough sugar!

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Petalouda · 16/07/2011 11:41

Morning All!

I've just had a lovely half hour with F. I think the timing of nap, feed, poosplosion & calpol all came together. He sat happily playing and chatting and giving me great big smiles & giggles.

This teething is really hitting him hard, I think. I'm just trying to get him to sleep.before he's captain grumpy again.

Jo, how was C's reflux diagnosed? F is constantly sick, and I do wonder. But when I asked at his 8 week check the doc Googled it and said no. But then, even if it is he'll most likely grow out of it soon. He's 16 weeks on Monday.

Sorry to hear people aren't sleeping (given the opportunity). I had a touch of that the other night, it's infuriating. Lots of sympathy.

DairyBeetle · 16/07/2011 12:04

Yes, Petal infuriating is exactly the right word!

My Graagh moment is over and I'm much calmer. There is something to be said about the relaxing properties of shoving DH out the door with S for a couple of hours! (Not that the relax message has got to my boobs, so think I'm going to have to pump).

Jo I shall join you with the 'must be stronger' thoughts. I still keep worrying about S going to nursery in October. I even keep thinking about whether, financially, I can go back 3 days not 4 so I keep an extra day with him. Daft thing is S will love it. He loves being with other babies, having new things to play with and watch and he will happily go to others for cuddles. He's going to be laughing at me as I sob my way to work those first few days isn't he?!

Now to other important things. Next Wednesday I'm taking S to see the new Harry Potter film at the baby screening at the local cinema. Do I dress him up? It is very tempting.... Grin

fraktious · 16/07/2011 12:50

dairy I'm torn between 'the baby is not a toy' (DH is forever telling me this) and 'you HAVE to dress him up'.

Petalouda · 16/07/2011 12:54

baby screening?! must be a city thing...!

Petalouda · 16/07/2011 13:10

and WHEN you dress him up, can you post a picture, please?!

LisMcA · 16/07/2011 17:30

Well eventually got to sleep last night. Can I have sleep regression? That's us home safely thank goodness. Drove through some of theheaviest rain I've ever seen with lots of standing water. I put on my brave mummy faceSmile

I noticed the local cinema here dies mum and baby screenings on a wed morning. Might brave it if I fancy the film.

Chinese for tea then bed to sleep sleep sleep for me!Wink

Starshaped · 16/07/2011 17:30

Lis - thanks for the expressing tip. I pumped after P's first feed of the day and got another 3oz. It's going straight in the freezer so that I can go out on Friday night!

Glad you've had a good morning with F Petal. I always find that when I'm feeling fed up with it all and not coping, P pulls something super cute out the bag and it all seems worthwhile again.

We've had a good day today (mind you, she's always good when her daddy is around!). She's slept like a log though, so not sure how easily she'll go down tonight. We will see...

I've been starting to think about nurseries/childminders too. Not going back to work until the new year but friends have told me that I need to start putting our name down at places. I don't know where to start! Any tips on what to look for anyone?

fraktious · 16/07/2011 17:59

star childcare-wise you need to decide first what your budget is, then your preference for type of care and then start looking for carers near your home, near work or en route. It's worth calling CMs in September as they'll have an idea when their under 1 space will open up. Nurseries you need to look now.

You should feel totally comfortable with the setting - listen to your gut. Ask to see registration documents, check the OFSTED reports (but read with a pinch of salt) and take up references from other parents of possible.

It's worth discussing things which are important to you - feeding EBM, sleep habits, cloth nappies, activities, food etc - at an early stage. Some settings are funny about cloth or EBM, some won't cuddle to sleep and some have reservations about BLW so have the conversation early.

Cyclebump · 16/07/2011 19:08

We've just been out meeting a group of girls I haven't seen since I was eight months pregnant. H was utterly charming and flirted with his big baby blues as he was pAssed round.

I'm the first to have a baby of those friends and they were all agog at the birth story Grin

JoEW · 16/07/2011 19:13

typing with one hand now, apols

dairy, YES you must dress him up!

Petal, it was only after seeing the specialist at Kingston that anyone has told me it is reflux, otherwise it has been me saying it is and asking for meds. all the other babies i know from neonatal have always been treated for reflux but C wasn't, i think because he had NEC and that overshadowed it. Check the list of symptoms in the chapter in the Sensational Baby Sleep Plan, i found that helpful. And do it on a bad day. On a good day you can forget how it is.

C's main ones are:
Fussy feeding and regular screaming - have to stop feeding, calm him and then start again, often using the dummy to soothe and then replace with bottle
Arching and screaming, even a while after feeding
Hates lying down after a feed
Lots of hiccups
Finds eating large quantities hard and sometimes 'shuts down' during a feed
Lots of pulling legs up and farting
Seems uncomfortable
Will be sick if on his back even an hour or so after feeding
Sometimes will only be comforted by cuddles with me

He doesn't throw up a lot though, hence the silent reflux diagnosis.

Honestly I don't think GPs know much about reflux. Mine is lovely and helpful but basically does what I ask, which is great but given that I am just researching it on the web I didn't take much comfort from that. If you are really worried I would ask to be referred to a pediatrician that specialises in gastric problems. I was lucky as I had this appointment in anyway as he was prem and happended to see someone who was really clued up.

I hope that helps.

JoEW · 16/07/2011 19:19

PS - the guy I saw did say that most babies grow out of reflux by about 5 months.

Petalouda · 16/07/2011 20:33

Thanks Jo, he did tick a lot of the boxes in the book. He doesn't seem so bothered by it now (I think), but the pukeyness is just gross.

And the treatment seemed to be just as stressful.

I think maybe it wasn't so bad for a while, but has flared up with the latest growth spurt/teething.

He was devillishly screamy this avo after his lovely half hour earlier (tired? teeth?). But, touch wood, has gone down well tonight.

My latest sleep training idea: Taking Pavlov as my inspiration, I'm going to try playing the same tune on the monitor as he falls asleep (whether being fed, rocked, cuddled, in cot, whatever) so he associates it with falling asleep. So eventually, we'll be able to put the tune on and he'll start salivating fall asleep! Foolproof, right?!

Operation Nap tomorrow. (have I said that before?)

kitstwins · 16/07/2011 21:18

Hello all. I fell off the earth for a few weeks and have just trawled through catching up. Sorry I've been AWOL. News at this end is that I've had three further episodes of mastitis. I keep getting it in the same breast, same location. It has been horrendous - one load of antibiotics after another. I'm not sure how I've kept going with the feeding as it has been really tough; so painful and debilitating. I can't lift the baby for the pain and it's obviously hideous with the girls as I can't do anything for them. So I've taken the hard decision to give up feeding. I'm really upset by this (lots of hormones clouding my rationality) as it otherwise is going so well and I love doing it. I really want/need to do it for him I suppose to make up for his tough start at birth. But I can't keep doing it at the expense of the girls and also, to an extent, my health. What does everyone think? I want to keep going but then I just can't face another bout of mastitis and it just seems certain that I'll get it. My GP can't understand it - says that I've probably got a damaged duct as I've worked really hard on my latch that side with a lactation consultant and I pump off my milk every evening so technically I shouldn't be getting it. God, I don't know.

Have been such a terrible, grumpy mother to the girls as a result and I feel so, so sorry for them. The baby gets all the best of me (which isn't much when you're right boob is about to drop off) and the girls just get me being ratty and not able to do anything. It's not fair on them is it?

What do you all think. Little boy is 14 weeks.

kitstwins · 16/07/2011 21:20

Oh yes, can I make a plea/suggestion if it's not deemed too naff? I have real trouble remembering how old everyone's babies are and it would be quite handy to know in posts (my brain has turned to custard so it's unlikely I'll ever manage to remember). Maybe we could sign off at the end with weeks? i.e. '14 weeks' as I have inadvertantly done in my previous post.

Feel free to ignore suggestion if it's too nauseating and un-Mumsnet.

Alibabaandthe80nappies · 16/07/2011 21:47

Petal the music thing could very well work - it can't hurt, right? Grin

kits - hello! Right, feeding. Have you been treated for thrush and been given ABs at the same time? When I was feeding DS1 I had repeated mastitis in the same boob, mostly the same duct. I also kept getting thrush, and cracked and bleeding nipples. It wasn't until DS1 was about 7 months old that I finally took 17 days fluconazole on the trot, and a 7 day course of ABs at the start of that which wiped out both the mastitis and the thrush and let my nipples heal so that I wasn't getting the repeated infection. Unless you Milton your pump every few days then that could be a cause of the problem too.
I think you've given it a really good go, and if you feel that stopping is best all round then that is what you must do. I'm only sharing what happened with me and DS1 incase you want to give it one last shot - because I completely understand all the guilt that goes along with a shite birth and therefore feeling you need to get BFing right to try and fix things.

It probably is quite un-mumsnet, but I'm not adverse to putting weeks Grin

16 weeks

LisMcA · 16/07/2011 21:48

Petal that's what we do with B. We play 3 sisters on our bt150 monitor. it's about the only tune on any of his toys I can stand repeatedly!

Kits I find it hard to keep up too. I know that Blair is one of the youngest at 11 weeks today!

Sassy20 · 16/07/2011 23:11

Kits don't feel guilty about the bf issues. You have done your very best and I'm sure facing the problems you've had a lot of people would have given up long ago. You've done 14 weeks of bf which has been such a fantastic start for your lo. I think we all beat ourselves up about bf if we struggle, I certainly did when my supply went really low after using shields for too long. Do what is best for you but don't let guilt get you down.

13 weeks

Sassy20 · 17/07/2011 07:22

Quick question-does anybody have the quinny buzz 2? If so are you using the pushchair bit. L is 13 weeks and I've started using it but now thinking it might only be for use at 6 mnths +. Anyone know if this is right and if so why? Thanks. Confused

Petalouda · 17/07/2011 07:48

Morning! Grin

Sassy we've got a buzz and F's been in the first stage seat for a good few weeks since he grew out of the carry cot bit. We had to buy the new-style seat unit (with the memory foam first stage cover, and the thinner xl cover), because we'd originally got the old-style one with the xl seat, which he was way too small for.

Both 2nd hand off ebay, of course.

So, I fear F might be teasing me before the next sleeP regression. We've just had 8-11.30pm and then 00:00-7:30am! Poor thing did wake up with a slightly damp bottom tho. I'll put a wrap over a disposable tonight.

Petalouda · 17/07/2011 08:30

oh, and he'll be 16wks tomorrow Grin

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 17/07/2011 08:50

Hurrah for a good nights sleep Pet! I deffo think the music thing is a good idea.

Hello Kits, lovely to see you. Mastitis is awful, so you deserve a medal for battling through it so many times. Only you know if you should stop bf'ing, but whatever choice you make it is no one else's business but yours and you should not feel guilty for making the decision that is right for you. Just a thought, do your bra's fit ok and do they have seams in them? do you lie on your tummy to sleep? Pressure and restriction on the ducts can be a cause.

11 weeks

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Cyclebump · 17/07/2011 09:25

You've done really well to get this far Kits, I can't believe you've got this far after so many bouts of mastitis. Only you know what's right for you and your family and if it's time to stop, it's time to stop.xx

H barely slept last night and I'm not happy with DP. He said he'd be home about 8 after beers with the boys and came in at 10, when H had finally gone to sleep after screaming and puking for two hours. He then didn't come to bed for ages.

He announced this morning that he's working again today. Sunday is normally family day as he usually works Saturdays. I'm so annoyed. I'm f*ing exhausted and just want to lie down for an hour FFS. Aaaaaaargh!!!

Anyhoo, rant over, I think it's just because I'm so tired.

15 weeks on Tuesday.

Starshaped · 17/07/2011 10:08

Kits - Hats off to you for getting this far. I've got a blocked duct and milk blister at the moment and am being a big wuss about it. Really not sure I'd be strong enough to carry on after repeated mastitis. If you're having doubts about stopping BF, then the advice from Ali sounds really helpful. On the other hand, if you know it's time to stop, then you should stop and not worry about what anybody else thinks. You've given your little boy a fantastic start.

Petal - I think the music association might help. We play then same tune to P (and poor DH sings the same song to her over and over again) when she's dropping off. Who knows if it actually helps or not! However, after your excellent night sleep last night, then I'd be giving it a go again later if I was you!

Thanks for the childcare pointers Frak. I think the first step is for DH and to have a serious think about whether we want to use a childminder or nursery. Eeek - such a big decision.

Really miserable weather here today - it feels like winter. I sense it might be a long day. Booo...

10 weeks

Sassy20 · 17/07/2011 11:06

Thanks Petal that's reassured me. Smile

DairyBeetle · 17/07/2011 11:17

Right, DH is on his way to Durham, it's just me and S for the next 6 days...I think a big Wine will be needed by Friday!

Kits you've done amazingly well to keep going after having mastitis so many times. Please don't feel guilty if you feel that it's time to stop BF because 14 weeks BF is an achievement in its self. Also, as much as you want to do your best for Little Boy you need to be healthy to do that (and what seems to be forgotten is that when you have mastitis you're unwell!) so if you think that stopping BF will make you healthy and able to do more for all three LO's then no one can make you feel bad for making that decision.

Pet yay for sleep!

Star I don't know whether this will help but when we were deciding childcare for S we come to the following conclusions. (He'll be starting nursery 3 days p/w from Oct).

Location: There are 4 nurseries within 20mins of the buildings that I and DH work in, about half way between work and home. This means we can be there quickly if needed (and if he's still a bottle refusnik come October I can pop up and feed him during my lunch hour!). The only childminder that had a baby place for October was at least an hour from work.

Cost: As nursery is en route to work and in walking distance there are no travel costs, where as the childminder would have needed a bus there then two buses for me or DH to get to work on time. The extra travel time to the childminder would mean that we had to pay for an extra hour to cover us getting to and from work. Also nursery includes formula (though we hopefully won't need that), food and nappies in the fees, these needed to be provided by us for the childminder.

Our Preferences: The nursery are all set up to store frozen EBM, had more types of bottles and sippy cups than Boots and currently have another baby who's mum sends in EBM which was reassuring to see. They are also happy to use cloth nappies, or (which we'll do) take them in cloth in the morning but use their disposables during the day, then I can put him in cloth evenings and weekends.

S: We had to think about what would be best for S given his personality. He loves having lots of different things to do each day, seeing new people, is happy to be held by others and really enjoys being with other babies and children. A nursery seemed the best option for him given he gets bored when it's just me and him and a childminder may end up having a similar effect. Also, because it's just us, and no family close by or friends with small children, once I'm back at work we won't be seeing the groups of people that we do now so I wanted to make sure that he would still have lots of contact with other people even though I won't be able to get to baby groups anymore.

Have questions ready, reading the OFSTED report is useful. I was mean and asked some awkward questions about the EYFS and how the nurseries were implementing it (I didn't tell them that my background is in education so they were a little thrown by the detailed questions I think, but answered well!).

Having said all that, there is a lot of gut feeling involved. We went to one nursery that was good but DH wasn't keen because it smelt like school dinners. The nursery that we have chosen we both liked straight away.

I'm going to stop wittering on now!

(Oh and S is now 14 Wks)

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