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FannyPriceless · 26/05/2011 12:18

Enter all ye ESHes. We've been Barren, we've been Pregnant - now at last we are Child-Rearing.

  • Come share your questionable tips on raising a real live baybee!
  • Compete with Cunty to take control of the bad mummy crown!
  • Eat crap ham - after all, you deserve it!
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CurlyCasper · 05/06/2011 16:41

a bit of both here. She has couple of cups with valved, teat-like tops, which she uses for slow milk feeds, where she would down it from a bottle but she only uses one about once a day. this past week she's got very good with a hard spouted sippy for her water. after months of me offering, it finally clicked. i'm aiming to switch to bottles only for first and last thing. HTH.

I have a whingy monster today...

Cosmosis · 05/06/2011 18:23

I'd start trying iwth a cup CU was talking to a friend today who's dd is one in 6 weeks and she has all her milk in a cup now.

Medee · 05/06/2011 18:25

Me too, CC. Is it wrong to be pleased that MrM probably now appreciates how tough it all is day in day out? He's not said as such, and he's a great dad and supportive husband, but it's not the same when there is two of you around.

Cosmosis · 05/06/2011 18:27

how did he get on today then? you reminded me of the first time TGO had him for a whole day, apparently his plan for the day was to watch the cycle race that was on. I didn't say anything, just chuckled to myself at his naivety. when I got home he said in a very surprised voice "I only got to watch about 5 minutes of the racing". And this was on a day when Artie was perfectly behaved and in a very good mood Grin

Medee · 05/06/2011 18:30

He actually had a pretty good first half - tidied the spare room with her next to him, and cleaned the loo. Then she started - wouldn't settle for anything, not even the bottle I had left, and he was looking pretty shattered when I returned. Not long after I got back, put her to boob and she quietened down and is now snoozing while dinner is cooked (not sure how long that will last)

SilverSky · 05/06/2011 19:06

Go meds! I made the error of thinking "it's easier to do it all myself". Big mistake. However HI has MB for most of next Saturday!!!!! No doubt I'll have to leave paint by numbers instructions. All I know is I ain't rushing home. Am out for posh afternoon tea and a leisurely spot of window shipping and Shiz.

Backinthebox · 05/06/2011 19:36

If you are BFing earlier and changing to bottles later, I'd try and skip the bottles altogether. We finally wrenched TT's nighttime bottle out of her hands screaming and kicking shortly after her third birthday! Took us bloody ages to get her to take a bottle, and even longer to get her to give it up. LG will not be allowed a bottle at all

Tonight people - drum roll - my mother is taking LG to sleep in the granny flat. He needs to be not sleeping in the same place as I am for a couple of nights, with someone who will kindly but firmly shush him back to sleep rather than me trying to get him to sleep and him clawing at my boobs and howling if I don't give him milk for the 12th time in 3 hours. It turns out the 'someone' is not OH. He is a firm believer in letting a baby cry till it figures out what it's supposed to do. Hmm And he is frankly a bit useless in the middle of the night atm. Apparently we are in a 'world of shared sleeplessness' here. I feel I am probably getting the lion's share of pain. Hmm

Roll on the extension being finished - the first room we'll decorate will be LG's Grin

Lighttaperstandback · 05/06/2011 20:34

Evening all [admires Medee's beautiful cuticles].

Interesting Honey. I haven't read any of Ms Ford's oevre but we've ended up with a pretty rigid routine. I'll have to pick a day when he's looking pretty cream crackered and throw him towards a cot (on his stomach) at naptime one of these days.

Box that sounds like a much needed night's sleep! We evicted Squib into his own room at 5 months as we couldn't take the thrashing around any more. I think he does yoga in his sleep or something... How you get any sleep at all with a small wriggly person in your bed is a mystery to me!

I so miss the days when I would be plonked on the sofa BF'ing for an hour and catching up on recorded Desperate Housewives and Ten O'Clock Live episodes. These days, daytime feeds seem to last 10 minutes max and any noise from a TV in the background has him craning all over the room...

rollerbaby · 05/06/2011 20:53

box I seriously DO NOT know how the hell you have lasted all together in one bed/room as long as you have. 6 weeks was enough for me. Might be a bit painful getting him into his own room but worth it for sure.

We struggled for months getting babymoo onto bottles, but I'm glad it was as long as it was otherwise I know I would have stopped bf earlier and I definiteluy didn't want to do it much longer than I actually did. 6 months of squirty boobs was quite enough thanks. He would never have been able to get the volume of milk he needs each feed any other way. No idea what this will mean in terms of eventual bottle weaning, but the one good thing at the moment is the doidy cup - he's not at all interested in the beaker - only the cup. He literally gulps water like a beer starved student. It is hilarious. I hope and pray this means he will take milk another way when the time comes... That said, there are lots of bottle type cups so hopefully we could find something else that might work if not?

rollerbaby · 05/06/2011 21:02

when I say any other way, I mean other than getting it from the bottle - not me!

CurlyCasper · 05/06/2011 21:12

More boring info on cups:
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=www.mysupermarket.co.uk/Images/ExternalImages/ProductsDetailed/34/133034.jpg%3Fts%3D633936603639&imgrefurl=www.mysupermarket.co.uk/tesco-price-comparison/Baby_Feeding/Tesco_My_Toddlers_3_Handled_Cup.html&usg=__J9voplLMywGbf-HSb1mz3LzPqZ4=&h=300&w=175&sz=13&hl=en&start=0&sig2=5GOQvnACAMMO5P_PRr0RIA&zoom=1&tbnid=ClorqY73QX_veM:&tbnh=131&tbnw=76&ei=0-DrTc7QDsSD-waSpcTlDw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dbaby%2Bcup%2Btesco%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1C1GGGE_en-gbGB399GB399%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D677%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=418&page=1&ndsp=26&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0&tx=45&ty=107&biw=1024&bih=677" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">this cup was the one that finally made a difference for us. It has a valve and baby has to suck quite hard, but it leaks very little when tossed around! We also have one of <a class="break-all" href="http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=babycup.org/_members/babycup/avent.jpg&imgrefurl=babycup.org/&usg=__NU1-k3lql6Iw1QKNSusG44FLltw=&h=300&w=300&sz=6&hl=en&start=0&sig2=1cOeuRWkh3IRl8IVuk8O-Q&zoom=1&tbnid=VdjCm-MARTAwcM:&tbnh=122&tbnw=140&ei=HuHrTYu0EMqa-wb0gZ3cCA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dbaby%2Bcup%2Bavent%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1C1GGGE_en-gbGB399GB399%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D677%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=531&vpy=64&dur=3142&hovh=225&hovw=225&tx=143&ty=146&page=1&ndsp=25&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:0&biw=1024&bih=677" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">these in the 12 month plus version. I meant to buy the one with the rubber rather than hard spout, but she's got the hang of it. I use in place of bottles, but not at nursery yet (only two days a week).

And <a class="break-all" href="http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=<a class="break-all" href="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21COFCSm4EL.SL75.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R179Q99B5DZ2QK&usg=__4NSUoHEgbl7Q_bbK8OUlf-MobgE=&h=62&w=75&sz=2&hl=en&start=23&sig2=KDW63YnVYS6L7ReBszDElg&zoom=0&tbnid=uW_zcS4HYf8E5M:&tbnh=59&tbnw=71&ei=i-HrTejVK8qr-QaJ6vHSDw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtommee%2Btippee%2Bsippy%2Bcup%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26rlz%3D1C1GGGE_en-gbGB399GB399%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D677%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=295&page=2&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:23&tx=44&ty=35&biw=1024&bih=677"" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21COFCSm4EL.SL75.jpg&imgrefurl=www.amazon.co.uk/review/R179Q99B5DZ2QK&usg=__4NSUoHEgbl7Q_bbK8OUlf-MobgE=&h=62&w=75&sz=2&hl=en&start=23&sig2=KDW63YnVYS6L7ReBszDElg&zoom=0&tbnid=uW_zcS4HYf8E5M:&tbnh=59&tbnw=71&ei=i-HrTejVK8qr-QaJ6vHSDw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtommee%2Btippee%2Bsippy%2Bcup%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26rlz%3D1C1GGGE_en-gbGB399GB399%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D677%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=295&page=2&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:23&tx=44&ty=35&biw=1024&bih=677" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">this is the one that she has for water - and she'd suddenly determined to use it. Think they have similar at nursery.

She also loves to drink from open cups, so I will be getting a Doidy Cup next.

medee well done on escaping on a fractious day. You have inspired me to paint my finger and toe nails.

honey hope it goes ok at both ends while you are separated.

And same goes for box - have a lovely sleep!

silv am excited for you for next weekend! When SFF wants to watch sport rather than do something useful (moto gp today for example), I give him Squeaks. If he can keep her entertained, he can watch it. Don't know what he'd do without the ability to pause and rewind live TV, mind!

SilverSky · 05/06/2011 21:20

MB has water from one of those soft spouty cups with handles. Nearly everytime he drinks from it he flipping chokes/coughs. I wonder if it's too fast and it goes down the wrong hole?

Box enjoy your night of sleeeeeeeeep. Hope your mother survives the night. HI could let MB scream and scream cos he knows I'll sort it. I am still planning a night away! Tho as MB goes down about 7 and you don't hear a peep from him til 6-7 the next morning I fear that HI will declare it all a bit easy. If he does I'll be donning some winkle pickers and delivering some hefty kicks where it hurts!!!!

We stuck him in his own room at 5/5.5 mths cos we kept disturbing him. Was a smooth transition as put his Moses in the cot for few days but when we took the Moses away.... Well it was a fricking nightmare. With bit of perseverance he adapted and is happy in his cot. I'm a huge fan of the sleeping bag. Tis the dog's. Happy sproggo who can't throw his covers of and stays snuggly! Wish same could be said for me as HI is a duvet thief!

Anyone been watching The Hotel?

Backinthebox · 05/06/2011 21:25

I'm liking the Nuby cups atm. TT has a Princess one which I know is a bit young for her but she is really into princesses and wanted it. She had some milk in it the other day and LG made a grab for it when she had finished with it. Thought it was the best thing ever!

Moo we neeeeeeeeed that extra room! We're only a few weeks away from it though. It's not as though this is the first time I've subjected myself to this kind of situation - when we first moved into the house TT was only 3 weeks old and her bedroom had no windows in it for about 8 months, so she slept with us then too. We can't stick LG in TT's bedroom as it is just too small. Lightsbluetouchpaper we sometimes have more than just 3 of us in one bed! TT often squeezes in too. We have a big bed. It was funny last Christmas - we had me, OH, LG and TT in our room, my dad in TT's room, my brother and his girlfriend in the granny flat, and my mum, sister, BIL and their two kids in a caravan on the drive. Of course my mum and sister brought 9 dogs with them too. It was very cosy! Grin And a bit of a squeeze to get everyone round the table for dinner.

Scorpette · 05/06/2011 21:33

Hello! Sorry I've waited so long to make my entrance here - seems daft after all the heartache and waiting to be a CRESH, dunnit? Been feeling a bit wibbly after birth; am okay to be light-hearted on FB, cos it's fun and am v invested in the PESH pgs, esp. Lozza's imminent lay, but feel weird being here because I'm scared I'll just be a massive downer. Birth was big emergency wowzer but v empowering but everything after that has been doom and gloom; baby in NNU for first 48 hours, then for me it's been back and forth staying in hossie with loads of exciting new health complaints and a fuckload of drucks for them all, birth injuries, nerve damage, perineal dreadfulness, urgent medical appointments to deal with all the different and various crap almost every day and constant, massive pain. And my non-stop diarrhoea (2-5 x a day since month 5!) has now given me an anal fissure. Hey ho!

Also, I can't sleep, because Mr T makes terrifying noises when he sleeps and I leap up every few mins to check he's still alive Blush Hearing the most important person in your world sound like they're choking or gagging every 5 mins is not conducive to restful slumber. Everyone tells me it's normal for babies but that doesn't help Sad He only makes the noises at night - he's asleep in his moses basket next to me right now and is quiet as a mouse. Is it normal?

FannyPriceless · 05/06/2011 22:18

Scorpie!! Welcome to you!

Yes, the night time asthmatic Darth Vader noises are normal.Sad But that doesn't make them any easier to listen to. With Bonnie I don't think I had any real sleep for months. Actually I generally 'slept' sitting up on pillow with her clutched to my chest as it was the only way her breathing would settle down.Sad

Sorry about the rough time you have been having. You are very free to vent here. Nothing makes us wince.

box We still have three in a bed. Clyde turns one in three days.Blush I am trying!

meds We have a drop sided cot. If you had asked me two years ago when Bonnie was in it I would have said it was invaluable. But not so for Clyde. (a) he doesn't spend enough time in it (see above) and (b) the little clip things that hold up the side have broken so it won't stay up in the highest position any more. It is currently tied in place with boot laces Blush but if Clyde decides to test the boundaries I'm going to have to turn it around so the drop side faces the wall. i.e. it's a bit useless now. Current recommendation: go for something basic and sturdy.

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SilverSky · 05/06/2011 22:42

Welcome Scorp and congratulations on your sneeze. You were induced? Assume you didn't have ye olde sunroof procedure? Sorry to hear of all the complications going on now still. Makes my bum grapes and MBs horrible skin seem trivial. Hope they can sort you out and quickly. Hard enough with a small person in the house let alone when you've a bucket full of medical stuff to get sorted also.

Wrt sleeping baybees I can only tell you about my own experiences. MB when he napped during the day would be very quiet and all the colour would drain from his face! Even the HV had to look twice when she visited one time. MB grunted a lot at night and that bloody NHS book tells you to call the dr if your baby grunts! The HV told me that it's a concern if they grunt when they feed. My nct buds have a mix of noisy and quiet sleepers. Think the usual term that "every baby is different" applies.

In the first few months I found night times to be very lonely, scary and emotional. Bfing was draining and seemed to take ages to get established. I was sick of hearing the same response to nightime crys "he needs feeding" from HI when I could barely stay awake cos I was so tired. I couldn't nap in the day as no opportunity to and I was up in the night a lot and then MB got colic. Hoo-fucking-ray. The colic lasted for weeks and weeks. We put the Moses up on books one end and swaddled him which I think helped. I'd wake up in the night with a start or a nightmare. I'd be thinking MB was in bed with us still and I'd forgotten to put him back in the Moses. When he started sleeping bit longer I'd wake up and stand over him making sure he was breathing!

I can say as they get older, sturdier and I have gotten to know him and Ive got more confident that life together has evened out and yet there are new challenges with each week/month of development! Currently it's weaning! Then last week it was a hideous cough which kept waking him in the night so we put the cot on books one end which helped a bit.

If in any doubt about anything harass call your HV, it's what they are paid to do after all. Better to put your mind at rest than drive yourself to distraction and being sick with worry. There is no such thing as a silly question. Being a new mum is the best and most equally terrifying experience going if you ask me. Whatever you do STAY AWAY FROM GOOGLE!!!!!

Welcome to the world of CRESH!!!!! Put your feet up and relax with a gut full of gin.

AlpinePony · 06/06/2011 06:38

Bear is still on the number 2 teat - he just doesn't like the number 3 ones. He drinks water from a sippy cup with silicone teat but doesn't like the hard one yet. Had only really just thought about wrestling a bottle away, but for the time being whilst he's content I've no plans to rock the boat. We use this sippy for water which he takes whenever he wants (left on edge of coffee table). Like moo's baybee, he drinks loads & loads of water.

cunty I'm sorry, it completely slipped my mind after your post last week. No, I do not think Rastus is obese. He is a super healthy, big (yep, no denying it!), active machine. He is not an immobile butterball - which you do unfortunately see from time to time. I think it's actually quite hard to over-feed them, I don't know how you'd go about doing it tbh. I was reading just last night that from 12-18 months their food intake decreases as they've now passed the "big" growth spurt, I see this already with Bear who has started turning his nose up at dinner and even his fromage frais! Previously he wolfed down every last bit of it. So see if that happens at all? This is also the start of power-games with food, and we should avoid all the "if you don't clear your plate, I'll tie you up and just you wait until your father gets home" bollocks. Obviously you don't want to put him on a diet (because that is mad) and you don't want to accidentally transfer any food "ishoos" that you might have to him, but maybe give him carrot/apple sticks as finger food rather than the ubiquitous Gregg's sausage roll. Don't forget too that he's going to be out on his BMX/Chopper/whateveritisthesedays with his friends, making goalposts from jumpers, climbing trees and chasing girls for kiss-chase - and boys do burn off their energy whilst girls just see their arse expand... anyway, upshot is - please don't worry about Rastus. He looks great (to me!).

medee Your afternoon out sounds lovely - get you with your fancy nails. As for your husband, yes, 'tis totally normal. Whilst they are good partners & fathers, they just don't appear to cope as well as we do. But, it's madness not to hand over the reins! If you can't trust your husband not to break the baybee, who can you?

medee We got a pretty basic cot from IKEA which has two heights and one side can be removed at a later date (6 months from now?) so it'll be a little bed. There has honestly only been about 3 week's worth of "back pain" associated. This is because that was the gap we had between hauling himself up the bars & frightening us, so we lowered the bed, to standing up all the time and so easy to lift up. But yes, it can knacker your back but I sure as hell don't know what the solution is. Perhaps be a teenage mum? They don't complain about creaky backs! I don't even do the stairs first with him, I need to go down once on my own to give my knees a chance. Oh, if only I'd been a statistic! Wink

CUNextTuesday · 06/06/2011 07:08

alps what no Greggs AT ALL? ?

Welcome scorps. I think moo may have done with the tea tree bean bag so help yourself. Sounds a grim do all round :(

Cosmosis · 06/06/2011 08:58

Scorps Artie used to make horrific choking / gagging noises in his sleep at first ? it was well scary. Can?t really remember when they stopped, but around 4 ? 5 weeks?

I think the sleep in the same bed thing depends on the baybee, Artie tends not to move once he?s asleep so he just slots in between us in the bed.

Re cots, we got one 2nd hand off ebay ?cos I am a tightwad?because my fluffy eco side prefers 2nd hand, and it has 3 mattress positions but no dropped sides. MIL was horrified and didn?t think we?d cope without drop sides, but haven?t seen the need so far.

AlpinePony · 06/06/2011 09:02

Yay - just back from 1 year jags. 5 seconds crying on each leg then back to normal with lots of smiles. Bit of a cry when getting dressed because everyone else was crying - very funny. I don't think they even knew what they were crying about, but if one cries, then a second - they all go for it because there has to be something bad going on right? Wink

Backinthebox · 06/06/2011 09:07

I HAVE SLEPT! Aaah!

CurlyCasper · 06/06/2011 09:08

welcome scorps and congrats again on your gorgeous MrT!
Squeaks had such a bad case of "grunting baby syndrome" that she was kicked out into her own room for a couple of weeks while very young. Of course, I still didn't get much sleep - too busy listening out for her/checking on here. That all sounds very normal.

Sorry you've been having such a shit time. If you want to talk about it here, please do - much better than bottling it up.

alps - well done to Bear for jabs bravery. I had forgotten they are due another set. I haven't had any contact about it yet.

fanny - Hurray for another CRESH baby birthday coming up! Can you believe it has been a year already? Smile

CurlyCasper · 06/06/2011 09:08

Champagne breakfast box? Grin

Muser · 06/06/2011 09:13

Morning! Welcome Score to the CRESH, you did it!

I am jealous of Box and her sleep. It was ever 2-3 hours again here. I have been googling 16 week growth spurt and there's a lot of people bringing out the baby rice. I am battling through. Baby rice just sounds so blah.

Medee · 06/06/2011 09:20

EA is 10 weeks old now, and she still sleeps so quietly that I have to prod her every now and again to check she is still breathing.

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