November 09 - Autumnal times are drawing near, soon our babes will be one year!

[MsInterpret]

Hello ladies, hope no one minds me taking the liberty of creating a new thread and approves of the name choice. We've been moving a bit slower than antenatal so though we'd most certainly have some year-olds by the time we finished this one!

Fruit interesting re the physio, am glad to hear he's heading in the right direction and that she's happy with him. I has literally only borne his weight twice on his legs, and that has been over the last few days. HV had told me that if he hadn't walked by 18 months to get his hips checked out. I suspect he will be fine by then, as I suspect part of it is that his legs need to strengthen up to take the weight of his body and heavy head!
Crying it out doesn't work here either, he just gets more hysterical.

Pav thanks so much for your lovely kind words. I do need to keep that thought in mind, as it's easy to lose sight of that when caught up in it all. It is the right decision for us all, even him, and hopefully that will sink in with him eventually. It's hard work on my own, but life is so much lighter and carefree already. I am looking forward to a happier future, one with a lot more laughter than has been present in the last few years.

Fruit When Millie was teething at Christmas my nipples were very sore, almost to the point of when she was newborn and the pain of those first few days. They are fine again now, it lasted about a week I think.

Scarlotti I can only echo what Pav has said, you have tried your damn hardest to make things work with your H, I really don't see how you could have done more. I hope it is sorted out quickly so that you can all move on and indeed have a much brighter future.

Millie slept through last night but has had her Men c jab today so that will probably screw her up tonight. I have to go back next month for the Hib jab as the doctor didn't have it in stock! In Singapore they offer a cream to numb the skin an hour before they do the injection, it meant hanging about but seemed to work as Millie didn't cry at all. It's a shame they don't do this in the UK as it seems so sad for babies to feel pain. We've also been offered a chicken pox jab, not sure whether to go for it, any opinions on this welcome!

Never heard of a chicken pox jab helips. How long is it effective for?

Scarlotti I second (third?) what Pav said - you've tried your best. Your husband just isn't putting enough into the relationship to make it work. It must be very difficult knowing that people don't know the whole truth of the matter (it would certainly p* me off but I think I worry too much about other people's opinion). Unfortunately that's something you will never be able to influence now. Rise above it, and if all else fails come and rant to us!

scarlotti Sorry to hear of the final decision over your relationship, but although it is sad, you seem to be certain that it is the right thing to do. It is great that you are feeling more carefree and lighter without the burden of a difficult relationship around you. Best of luck for you and your family for the future xx

Rosa is on 4th day of terrible nappies here. She was also sick (vomiting) Sunday and Monday but now that's over thank goodness and we're just left with runny poo! The last two mornings she has had to go straight into the bath to be hosed down, poor mite. Nursery rang to see how she was and if she'd be back in tomorrow and said another baby with the same symptoms had been diagnosed with 'rotary virus' - anyone heard of it? The doctor said dairy can exacerbate the virus as it can cause temporary lactose intolerance so reducing/cutting out might be a way to help her get better. Have bought some special milk for this evening and hoping we might see a change tomorrow.

fruit/pavlov/scarlotti how was the sleep last night?

helips - never heard of a chicken pox jab either but can only assume it's like any other vaccination and means you won't have to go through the strain of Millie getting it in future. Has DS had the pox? Can he have the vaccine too?

scarlotti, it must be really difficult for you at the moment but it sounds the right thing to do and in the end, things will be easier again. I wish you and your family all the best to sort things out and all get along as well as possible.

MsInterpret, poor Rosa, that sounds really horrible. Hopefully the special milk will bring already some improvement. I have heard the name of rotary virus but I don't remember what it is, sorry.

helips, I think in Austria they get a patch before immunisation to numb the skin too. I'm sure it would make things so much easier for babies and children. I wonder why they don't have it here. I would be more than happy to pay for it if it helps.
I think in Austria you can have the MMR in combination with a chicken pox immunisation but for some reason I think not everybody takes it. Again, no idea why or why not. Sorry I'm really not helpful today.

helips, just found a little note about the chicken pox immunisation in a (rather alternative) book. Apparently, in Germany it is officially recommended to get it. BUT critics say that there is actually no reason in the sense of chicken pox is not dangerous or has any possible complications whereas if the immunisation is not working completely you might get bigger problems if you catch it as an adult (no one really knows yet). And it seems that the main reason is economical. Less children with chicken pox means less mums with days off work.
But that's just what I've read in one book.

Hmm, just googled and seems is more likely rotavirus.

Break through here! Hen has finally stayed in his own bed for 12 hours! I was getting so tired feeding every 2 hours some nights, I decided my only way forward was to stop bf altogether. I started by giving bottles of cows milk in the day for a week or so and then 3 nights ago I gave a bottle of cows milk at bed time, day 1 no change, day 2 he went from 7 pm until 4 am and last night 7 pm until 7 am!! I know it is early days but fingers crossed it will continue. My next step in no bf in the morning but my boobs have been so painfully full the last 2 mornings that I've given him a little feed off each to ease my pain. Then of course I need to swap bottles for cups.....
How's everyone else getting on?
Helips I was very much your mind set until recently, you just have to go at your pace, I wasn't going to stop until I was ready.

Msinterpret Poor Rosa, I really hope she feels better soon.
Scarlotti sorry to hear about your relationship but I'm sure it will be good to have closure and to be able to move on.

Thanks all for your lovely messages. I will indeed rant on here if need be! Tomorrow is relate in the evening and now I've arranged a solicitor's appointment in the day to find out the facts of it all. We're in the wrong jobs I tell you - £220 + vat per hour!! At that price we'll have to be amicable and sort it out ourselves.

MsI have had rotavirus here before, just another form of a D&V bug I think, although a fairly nasty one. Nothing to worry about though.

helips I think I'd not have the chicken pox jab tbh, as it's an easy illness to get out of the way. Piriton and some calomine lotion and you're sorted - plus then they're more immune to shingles in adulthood which can be much more serious. Not sure you'd carry the same immunity if vaccinated? Might well be wrong though.

Night wise, we seem to be at a bottle of milk around 11ish then sleeping until about 5ish, when a cuddle in mummy or daddy's bed seems to buy another hour's sleep. To be honest, that is copeable and so I'm thinking I might run with this for a while and see if he goes for longer by himself. The controlled crying doesn't seem to work, as if I go in it just seems to spur him on to scream some more. Whilst I'm sure I 'should' be tackling it, this just seems easier all round
He's eaten like a horse this afternoon/evening though so maybe tonight might be a bit different?!

scarlotti We found Rosa gets herself into much more of a state if we go in for grumbles and the odd waaaah! in the night. Sounds mean and can be feel hard at the time if she's really grumbly but us not going in cuts out really awful crying and upsetting for both parties in the end. I always go if she sounds really upset i.e. nightmare or illness and in those cases, usually a cuddle and comfort is all that's needed whereas little grumbles going in escalates it. That reassures me that we're doing the right thing. For us. That's all there is really, isn't there? The right thing for you. But sometimes it helps to hear others' perspectives. Hope that's how this came across!

Thanks for the rotavirus reassurance too. She was sick again at dinner time but not the projectile kind of a few days ago, more 'I drank a bit too much water then and I'm having a bit of a chokey cough and whoops! there go my last couple of mouthfuls again...!' Poos still awful though. The fact that she is absolutely fine in herself makes me feel better and am sending her to (kind) granny's tomorrow instead of taking the day off because of that. Nursery is off limits the rest of this week, sigh. I just worry about dehydration

MsI always good to hear other people's perspectives! I only go in if it's a proper cry now which definitely helps. Don't see the point though in trying to ignore that as it just gets louder!

I have just seen an item I had bought on eBay, but couldn't collect as the seller told me it was broken, has been relisted. They must have thought they'd get more money for it and so lied to me. How irritating.

Thanks for the Chicken pox info ladies, I don't think i'll bother with it now, ds has had it and i'm sure Millie will get it out of the way at some point! Ds wasn't that bad with it and like you say scarlotti nothing that calomine lotion and paracetamol can't cure!

Msinterpret Poor Rosa, hope she feels better soon.

Tigger well done to Hen, what a good boy, you must feel like a new woman after a good nights sleep, jealous!

Scarlotti How annoying about your ebay item, are they allowed to do that? Can you complain? (as you can probably tell I don't know much about ebay!)

Ursi How are you feeling? Any morning sickness yet?

Scarlotti, how annoying! I don't know much about eBay either but would have thought you could complain,?

Quick question, stupid question really but i feel really stuck, Hen woke last night at 11, we left him for a bit but crying continued so I went in, rubbed his back which didn't help so I picked him up for a cuddle, this didn't help either, so I ended up feeding him as I had no idea what else to do!!? You wouldn't think this was my 3rd baby would you? My other 2 had dummies so that was normally the solution but Hen has no dummy and really was at a loss. Any suggestions please? Feel like a rubbish mummy for even needing to ask.

helips Annabelle's had chicken-pox already and she wasnt phased by it all, much less than ds was so definitely think its probably better to get it over and done with.

Tigger I do exactly the same when needed. Lucy has never taken to a dummy, the strange child, so there's not really much more I can think of in a way of comfort. Come to think of it, my philosophy for the last thirteen months has been: if in doubt, stick a boob in... If only it worked for some other life dillemas

Fruit sore boobs here, too. Either teeth or the continuing falling asleep feeding (see above)

Scarlotti I can only repeat what others have already said. I am very sorry that it has come to this, you definitely deserve better in life and hopefully this is the start of a much more stress-free life. All the best.

MsI Oh, no! Poor Rosa, please don't tell me that it has lasted days. Lucy dragged in the lurgy from her nursery yesterday, vomming started 3am today, then some runny poo as well. Sha had never, ever vomitted before and it was not a pretty sight. Just the same, she is perfectly fine otherwise, giggly, cheeky and chatty with the occasional cough-blehh-yuck episode. GP told me as well to stay off dairy (after her porrige and yogurt breakfast (blush)). But she's asleep quietly now and I was sort of hoping for it to be over... I hope Rosa is on the mend.

Do you think I will ever do a full week's work? So far the nursery seems to be a nest of bugs to pick and choose from at will.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news skorpion but in Rosa's case it has dragged on. I think cutting out dairy has made a bit of difference and I thought she was on the mend but she had a nappy relapse yesterday so no nursery today again I'm off work too. Going to try and make the most of it and maybe go to the children's centre. I haven't taken her to the doctor - do you think I should have? It's just that she seems all right in herself so I checked NHSdirect and am following 'self-medication'...

tigger I found the same when I was still bfing. It is just the easiest and most guaranteed option of soothing them. Nothing wrong with that. It's only when the option isn't available that you get more creative - I used to watch DH and think 'how did he DO that?' (soothe her without a boob) but I think it's a cycle in that if it's available, that will settle them only, if it's not...something else will HAVE to!

Just thought - is it irresponsible to take her to the children's centre if she's not meant to be at nursery? I suppose it is but NHS said no chance of passing on since 2 days BEFORE symptoms appeared...!

Thoughts?

MsInterpret I didn't take Lucy to the doc's, just called them. The nursery advised me to take her in, but I thought exactly what you did - she seemed to be fine otherwise. The GP I spoke to said fine, no temp, she'll get over it soon enough.

I am happy to say (crossing fingers, touching wood, spitting over left shoulder, etc.) no sign today of anything having gone wrong yesterday. Please let it be it. I am going to stick to no dairy for a while though.

Sorry, I haven't got any knowledge about how contagious and for how long it is. We've gone out for a walk with a friend and her kids today rather than going to her house as previously agreed.

helips, thanks for asking, I'm fine in general, sometimes I do feel a bit sick but as my body is busy with feeling tired from the last couple of terrible nights, the nausea is just not that important
My main problem is actually that bf got really painful again and due to her illness we are back to marathon feeds at night. Last night was much better though and she finally accepted DH again and I only had to feed her once.

I hope all the sick babies are feeling better and all the tired mummies are getting a bit more sleep.

ursi my milk definitely dried up when I was pregnant. I stopped when I was around 8 weeks. The tiredness is a killer, I could sleep 12hrs and still be exhausted!x

You poor knackered things ursi and DWB. I still remember that exhaustion. I used to come home on Friday and barely move from bed til Monday morn. Coma-like state DH says. No such luck for you guys now.

Hope you are snugly tucked up in bed right now though, the pair of you xxx

I am! Dozed off on the sofa, have now transferred to bed. Poorly baby fast asleep (sickness yesterday, diarrhoea today with a high temperature) and DH away to cinema with his brother so I can take over his half of the bed... For a few hours at least!

Did you go to see the king's speech? Mum & I are going to go together since both our husband's aren't interested in seeing it. I don't even know what it's about, I'm just following the masses! Also have a bit of a soft spot for Colin firth...

Oh dear, poor ethan :( No one escapes these horrible viruses.

No I didn't go in the end - was too tired with work and looking after poorly RooRoo. It's about George the 6th(?), the queen's father, who became king after his brother abdicated to marry Wallis Simpson. He had a really bad stammer and was suddenly forced into the limelight, making speeches and then WW2 broke out and he had to lead the nation. His wife (the queen mum) is played by Helena Bonham Carter and Princess Margaret is played by the wee girl form Outnumbered! I am SO not a royalist so it surprises me how much I want to see it but I do love a bit of Colin Firth too and everyone who's seen it has raved about it to me.

Hoepfully go next week sometime.

Right off for an early night. Sleep tight DWB, til DH gets in at least!

Thanks MsI, your summary makes it sound good! Sweet dreams x