June 10 babies have arrived. Now we are all sleep deprived!

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Welcome to 'the other side' ladies. Long may we all continue to post!

ARRIVALS
27/04 (due 23/06) - SunshineDay - Faye - 3lbs 2oz
16/05 (due 02/06) - Meggymegmegs - James (Jimmy) David, 7lb 1oz
19/05 (due 01/06) - whenwillisleepagain - Alice Emily, 8lb 7oz
21/05 (due 21/06) - Gizmo - Hester Rose - 6lbs
23/05 (due 9/06) - greensnail, Alice Elizabeth, 7lb 2oz
24/05 (due 8/06) - Saucepanman, Gabriel, 8lb 4oz
24/05 (due 31/05) - minimoonumber2, Sebastian Robin
26/05 (due 24/06) - GibberingGinger James Alexander, 5lb 13oz, & Douglas John, 5lb 15oz
28/05 (due 30/05) - GoodName, Fergus, 8lb
28/05 (due 31/05) - mampam, Tilly May, 9lb 11oz
28/05 (due 4/06) - jo807bump - Hannah May, 5lb 7.5oz
04/06 (due 07/06) - perkster - Sidney James Perkins Berner, 7lb 11oz
05/06 (due 31/05) - dinosaurinmybelly - Zoe Leila - 6lb 9oz
07/06 (due 02/06 ) - AlwaysHopeful - George, 7lb 13oz
07/06 (due 07/06) - MrsC09 - Rufus Jack
08/06 (due 01/06) - PogueMahone - Magnus Gabriel, 8lb 14.5oz
08/06 (due 11/06) - woofie - Laurence Elliot (Laurie) - 7lb 11oz
08/06 (due 21/06) - sunworshipper - Romola Ann Bettina, 5lb 15oz
09/06 (due 08/06) - LittleRobbo - Summer Dawn
09/06 (due 09/06) - Boobz - Constance Ella Reed,
11/06 (due 02/06) - Justbeme - 'Nobody' (boy) - 8lb 9oz
12/06 (due 02/06) - roundabout1 - Lauren - 8lb 14oz
13/06 (due 18/06) - Virgo1979 - nameless boy! 7lb 9oz
14/06 (due 30/06) - monthlymayhem - Hayden, 7lb
14/06 (due 08/06) - MrsAlwaysRight - Alice Rose, 9lb 7oz
14/06 (due 15/06) - Millymollymoo - boy
15/06 (due 31/05) - RnB - Artemis, 7lb 9oz
15/06 (due 29/06) - playftseforme - Rory 6lb 4oz, and Fergus 6lb 8oz
16/06 (due 17/06) - Chestnut100 - Daisy Belle 6lb 14oz
17/06 (due 01/06) - Madamfreckle - Emma 6lb 6oz
17/06 (due 30/06) - MonkeyMargot - Atticus Fox 7lb 8oz and Rafferty Bear 7lb 14oz
17/06 )due 04/06) - Suzy1975 - Samuel 7lb 14oz
18/06 (due 23/06) - earlyonemorning - Edgar William 7lb 8oz
18/06 (due 13/06) - sobloodystupid - Stella 8lb 8oz
19/06 (due 22/06) - Gaelicsheep - Robin 6lb 14oz
22/06 (due 14/06) - Fillybuster - Mia Rae 9lb 3oz
24/06 (due 16/06) - Nizzynoodles - Samuel James 10lb 10.5oz
24/06 (due 17/06) - summerhols - Lilly
25/06 (due 17/06) - Barbeasty - Ruth Damaris Rose, 9lb
26/06 (due 16/06) - JoKettle - James Lennox, 8lb 7oz
26/06 (due 29/06) - MrsDmamee - Elyssa, 8lb 5oz
28/06 (due 26/06) - imkeepingmum - girl, 7lb 11oz
28/06 (due 12/06) - Georgee - Anna Rose, 7lb 15.5oz
28/06 (due 12/06) - Elena67 - boy, 9lb 5oz
29/06 (due 17/06) - bluesnowfalcon - Corey, 8lb 11.75oz
29/06 (due 18/06) - theperfectbaguette - Clementine Jemima, 6lb
29/06 (due 26/06) - RubyReins - Luke Douglas, 7lb 14oz
29/06 (due 25/06) - Ilovemyterrier - Jeppe Sebastian Fagerlund, 7lb 6.5oz
01/07 (due 30/06)- LaTrucha - Daniel Timothy, 8lb 11oz
3/7 (due 29/06) - CantSleepWontSleep - Jeremy Francis, 9lb 4oz

greensnail - hope Alice's ear infection clears up soon.

Filly - Oops! Poor little lamb! I'm sure you haven't put her off food though (but you're right to feel guilty

LaT - Emma has up to an hour in the morning e.g. 9 - 10 but often only half an hour. Then after 'lunch' (ha ha - well, we persevere with food) she has another 45 mins to 1 1/2 hours and sometimes a short power nap of 15 mins if she's totally exhausted by 5. She nearly always wakes up half an hour into her nap and I have to lie with her to get her back to sleep but I'm now trying to get her out of this habit.
Bedtime is 7 to 7.30.

Still having little joy with food. Just doing BLW now which she is much happier with (insofar as she likes bashing the food about a bit and chucking it on the floor). Practically nothing goes in, although she sucked on a nectarine for ages while the rest of us ate dinner yesterday and after about half an hour, we realised half of it had gone and she spat out a big bit of peel - so that was cause for celebration!

Period came back last week - booooo. At least it explained why everything WAS totally shit the week before and why my relationship WAS doomed to failure and why everybody WAS so bloody annoying. God, I didn't know what PMT was before I had kids. The thing is, not only does it screw your thoughts and emotions up badly, it also deceives you into forgetting or denying that PMT is the cause of it all.

Ah well, this week everything smells of roses!

Isn't there meant to be a Pill that helps with PMT?

I ditched the mini-pill too after Christmas. I had a three week bleed which the doctor said could be due to the pill, so we switched to a different one and I bled for another two weeks, so I just stopped taking them all together. DH had the snip before Christmas so we only have a short while left before he gets the all clear. Had the worst period of my life last week, which was deeply unfunny after bleeding for 5 of the past 6 weeks already. All cleared up now, though.

Am interested to hear you're having "can't quite put my finger on it" problems. Low libido too.... my lack of libido has been causing massive problems with DH.

I started on anti-depressants last week and am feeling a million times better now. I was warned that they could take a couple of weeks to work, but I felt better after just a week... got me thinking that maybe it was the pill that was making me feel so ropey... perhaps it was in part, I guess I'll never know for sure, but I'm soooooo glad to be feeling more like myself again

George started crawling at the weekend! His climbing hasn't progressed much from a few weeks ago - he keeps pulling things on top of himself (toys and drawers, I might add, nothing lethal) in an effort to stand up, but he's not getting very far in that quest.

Feeding is still an on-off activity for him. If he likes it, he'll eat a bucket full. If not he'll just clamp his mouth shut and wriggle away from the spoon. Self feeding is OK too and since he started nursery he's trying a lot more things.

Sleep is also an on-off thing. Some nights he's just up for one feed, other nights he's awake more, but the nightmare nights seem to be behind us [touches wood]

Hello All

Elyssa's sleep pattern is very good at the moment. I can't complain about her(unlike her early weeks of no sleep ever!!!).
She has 4 naps during the day from 9am-10pm
lasting between 1 1/2 and 3 hours.

I'm beginning to wonder if she is sleeping too much. But she is usually worn out, rubbing her eyes around the 1 1/2 hour mark.

Would love to get her to bed before 10pm.

Weaning is a non-starter! After a month of puree's I think she has opened her mouth twice for a spoon.
So yesterday I gave her a few bits of pasta on a plate and left her to it.
Might try carrot sticks and broccoli today. Then stock up on rice cakes bananas, yogurt for dipping etc... and just give up on the whole spoon feeding idea for now.

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Hi all. Can I just ask how much the babies are feeding now? I'm trying to encourage Alice to feed a bit more during the day at the moment as left to her own devices she would have no milk all day and then feed all night, but can't really remember how many feeds DD1 was having at this age.
Also, any tips on how to get her to feed when everything else is much more interesting would be great. Short of locking DD1 in a cupboard while I feed Alice so there are no distractions I'm all out of ideas!

hi greensnail.
The DTs are having 3 milk feeds a day now at 7am, 3pm and 6:30pm.
How to distract them into feeding.....hmm that's a tough one. just try and eyeball the twin I'm feeding until he's properly feeding, not always easy.
Is Alice eating lots of solid food (hence the lack of interest in milk in the daytime)?

Thanks MM
Yes, she eats loads and really loves her food. Is much happier to be given a snack when hungry than to have milk. She doesn't really drink anything but milk though, she loves playing with a cup of water but mostly just takes it into her mouth then spits it out again.

Oh that's good. And don't forget she will be getting water from fruit too. One of the boys drinks water really well, the other spits it out like Alice.
Rafferty has 2 teeth - suddenly appeared out of nowhere. Atticus still has a bad chest and now has an inhaler. Still coughing all night long though :-(

Poor Atticus, how long has he had the inhaler for? Hopefully it will start to improve soon. It must be funny to see the differences between them considering they are identical. I still get surprised at how different my two girls are and obviously they're not even twins.

I really shouldn't watch one born every minute. Its making me very broody!

Hi everyone

serious help needed re - sleep & I daredn't look on the sleep forum as I may be convinced it will never get better! After a few weeks of much disruption to what little routine we had, Lauren will now only sleep on me or someone else. Last week we were away for a funeral & she ended up hardly sleeping except in the car so started letting her sleep on me & of course now we are back to normal she just won't sleep in her cot, or her pushchair. Yesterday I tried putting her down in the travel cot in dd1's bedroom while I was sorting clothes out, she screamed/cried for an hour & a half & ended up not sleeping as I had to get her out to get dd1 from school. I've put her down in there again now as she can hear me pottering about in the kitchen from there & she's crying. I think my going in to her I get her more upset as she gets angry if I then leave again, would you just leave her to cry it out? At night she's in bed with us still, so there's the night time to sort out too. Dp is being a complete arse about everything, will not help in anyway to get the sleep sorted but permanantly moaning about lauren being in bed with us & the lack of any bedtime action!
Sorry for the me me post.

just adding back to list

greensnail - down to about 5 feeds a day now, plus about 6 or 7 overnight .

roundabout - no, I wouldn't let her cry it out. I would, however, let her cry for 5 mins or so at a time, and then go and see her and rest a hand on her back/front (depending which way she sleeps) and go 'shhhhh' quite loudly, and repeat as necessary (that applies even if it doesn't stop her moaning, as at least she knows that you have not abandoned her.

Poor Atticus with a bad chest.
Exciting re teeth for Rafferty - we still have none here.

Hello all - Xoe cut her 2nd tooth last week and was in oain for 3 nights waking up every hour utterly inconsolable. She was so worn out hen it was over that she slept from 7pm to 4am and it was bliss. Now back to co- sleeping and drinking from the milk bar 3 -4 times a night. Wont drink water from a cup - enjoys pouring it all cut of the spout instead!

Hey roundabout, I think the general idea is you are supposed to get the night sorted before the naps as good naps in the day help the night sleep so the no cry sleep solution says to do anything to get them to sleep during the day and then sort that out later. Thats the way I am going anyway. I have found that now Fergus will sleep on his own and settle himself during the night he is easier to put down in the day too (usually). I still have to feed him to sleep normallyt but he will go down without feeding if DH has him occasionally. I tend to feed him on bed and then lay him down gently and he's normally fine. Must admit dont mind holding him while he sleeps during day as I like cuddling hijm and have no other kids so I have the time and space to do it, also a good excuse for getting nothing done and playing on laptop/reading book!
ANyway night times we had to work hard at as fergus was in with is and waking every hour for a feed some nights. Put him in his own room in his own bed and dh slept in bed there with him for a couple of weeks. I would feed him to close to sleep and put him in bed and DH would sit with hand on him or whatever till he went to sleep. This did involve quite a lot of crying for a while but has got better and better. Was down to one or two feeds a night and very little complaining but sadly have had yet another awful cold here so lots of snot and coughing waking him up again, hoping when he gets better the sleep will improve on its own.
I think you need to tell yr DP he MUST help or situation will never improve cos it seems easier for them to deal with the crying. ANyway very long post sorry, hope ikt helps. Just remember it can get better even tho it does not seem like it just now.
oh Fergus also does the spitting water out and pouring it round room thing

Thanks goodname - Think I'm making a balls up of it as I was thinking daytime was easier to sort that nighttime. At night I lie with lauren on our bed & feed her & then try & move her to cot - bedside cot & stay with her in the room til she's asleep. She wakes frequently, every hour or so in the evening & I cuddle, settle & try not to feed unless she seems hungry rather than wanting comfort. Problem with the night is that I don't want hours of crying keeping dd1 asleep as she really does need her sleep else is grouchy & tearful going to school the next day. Dp is in a better mood now but don't think he has the patience to do it alone with lauren, he's all for the leaving her to cry it out but when he's in the situation he ends up picking her up & bringing her downstairs!

I'm going for 3rd time lucky here, as my last few posts haven't worked! Last time I clicked post message and it went back to the main "talk" screen!

Sleep: until the last couple of weeks Ruth was having 2 daytime sleeps, one late morning and one mid afternoon, each of between 1&2 hours. This seems to have dropped to one of an hour and one about half that (plus what she can get away with just as I'm dishing up the dinner!) Night time is still not good- last nIght was the 3rd time this year where we got a stretch of 5hrs. I say we, but I was woken up half way through by a mouse trap going off directly above my head...

Water: Ruth thinks sippy cups are just decoration around a handle which is perfect for chewing We have moved onto a heavily supervised Doiddy cup with dinner and if she's thirsty at other times she doesn't think twice about going for my glass of water which I then help her drink from.

Illness: touch wood we're over the latest cold and bout of blepharitis (gunky eyes, or as DH says the natural consequence of rubbing food and snot in your eyes).

Milk feeds: Ruth doesn't have a firm pattern, except that she tends to have a few short feeds in the day, then a few much longer feeds late afternoon/ early evening. She then feeds after 3-4 hours sleep and then every 1-2 hours through the night.

We got the first tooth through a couple of weeks ago, and I love seeing the tiny tooth marks as she takes bites from pasta!

Just jumping back on. Still in Spain. Back soon!

Just checking in - I've caught up but not much to add...

Hello all.

I have my date for my gall bladder surgery, and it's only just over a fortnight away, on 2nd march. They want me to stay in hospital overnight, but without J, so I'm going to argue some about that and possibly discharge myself if they don't agree, but have today started to pump milk just in case it's needed. Need to find a nanny/housekeeper type to help look after the dc and the house and me for a couple of weeks afterwards too, whilst I'm recovering, so busy busy busy! More worried about leaving J than I am about the surgery itself.

Sleep still rubbish obv. Any more progress for the other crap sleepers?

Hi all. Nowt to report here. Rafferty has 2 teeth. Both boys using inhalers to help them breathe.
Can't believe they will be 8 months old this week! Where has the time gone?
Went to a wedding at the weekend and left all 3 DC's with ma and pa. Was a real treat to stay in hotel overnight. Feel a million times more cheery as a result!

MM - Lauren is 8 months now & has 2 teeth, I can't believe where the time has gone either. Lucky you getting an overnight stay without lo's, you deserve it though!

CSWS - blimey bet you are in panic mode getting everything sorted for your op. Can totally understand you being more worried about J than your op. Good luck with everything.

Sleep still crap here, Lauren is still in with us & nighttime isn't that bad some nights, evenings are v unsettled, I end up in my bedroom with her once dd1 is in bed, she gets more sleep that way & I can nap or watch tv or read. Downstairs is a complete tip but at least I am having some relaxing time without coming upstairs every 30mins or so when she wakes up. I have given up trying to get sleep sorted at the mo, just seems the wrong time to do it & was just turning into a battle of wills Dd1 is so tired & stroppy at the moment, dp is so grumpy, figure may as well leave it til after half term now. Lauren has an orthopaedic app tomorrow to check on her clunky hip, originally was end march but they have had a cancellation so v pleased about that.

Barbeasty - Lauren also will justchew on a beaker but drinks out of a doidy, supervised obviously. Find she drinks best out of a normal glass or beaker, don't know whether it's a novelty thing though.

Hello all!
Milk feeds: Emma has a feed when she wakes in the morning (around 7.30) then at 11.00 ish, 3.00ish and around 7.00pm. She always wakes for at least one or two feeds in the night and as a consequence isn't that keen on the morning feed. She is still not eating much though so 99% of her calories are coming from breast milk.

She has had two bad colds in 2 weeks but is a bit better now (now that the rest of us have it) and last night slept an amazing stint from 7pm until 4am which is a good 4 hours more than her previous Personal Best. Fingers crossed she does a repeat performance.

Still no teeth but I'm sure they're on the horizon (DS had at least one by this age) so i'm not banking on consistently good nights for quite some time.

Re. drinking water - Emma just likes to bash the sippy cup about on her tray with extreme force. If I try to do it for her she shrieks and flails her arms about and bashes it all the more. She has definitely sucked a bit of water out of it a few times though and seems to prefer drinking it if it is slightly above room temperature.

Barbeasty: Shame you had your 5 hours interupted by a mousetrap - I did have to giggle though.

MonkeyMargot: Poor Atticus with his coughing - hope it clears up soon.

MM : Just noticed your last post saying that both boys are on inhalers now. Hope they are both better soon. We're heading towards March so I reckon we're getting on for the end of the illness season! Yay.

CSWS: Good luck for 2nd March. Hope it goes well and that it works out with having J with you overnight if needs be.

CSWS - good luck for 2nd march. I'm sure it will all go well for you but I just wanted to say that two of my friends who have had the same op had a really hard time afterwards with complications. I'm sure they were both very unlucky and for most people its all very straightforward, but my advice would be to make sure you have plenty of backup plans for looking after J and make sure you manage to pump plenty beforehand. And don't discharge yourself unless you're 100% sure its the right thing to do. Hope I don't sound too negative, but its much better to be prepared for the worst just in case.

Sleep still rubbish here. Had a particularly bad night on monday night so last night felt like a huge improvement as Alice was only up 4 times during the night. Am currently working on getting her into a better daytime routine and napping better at the moment which I hope will eventually pay off with the nighttime sleep. Am feeling more and more zombie-like all the time though and am starting to think we should do some more drastic sleep training, but am sticking with the no cry sleep solution at the moment.

Hi all,

Back from my in-laws in Spain, all of us with heavy Spanish colds . It was nice to have some sunshine though, and we were pretty lucky with the weather.

Of course, it means that all progress with sleep has disappeared. DD has got used to sleeping next to me and Daniel has a combination of heavy cold, two new teeth and a fortnight in Papa's arms to complicte the sitaution. It's very nice to know we're not alon ein this though.

CSWS - good luck with the operation. Very annoying about not allowing J into the hospital overnight. I hope you can arrange things to your satisfaction.

DH is beginning to think about sleep training too. I'm too exahusted to know what to think really. For me, he is still too little for anything likethat, bt then DH is taking the brunt of awful sleep, so there's not too much I can say.