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Dave's cuts are going be deep and they will hurt

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FellatioNelson · 07/06/2010 14:26

I've been hearing this all day on the radio. I can't take the suspense any longer. They are going to affect the lives of 'every one of us'

I feel like a person wincing and clenching my teeth in anticipation of the big fuck-off needle the school nurse is wielding, and I'm next in the queue....

Come on then, what's it going to be?

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saggarmakersbottomknocker · 10/06/2010 10:03

Sorry but ROFL @ Neil Mellor having 'No view'. Give that man a

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SanctiMoanyArse · 10/06/2010 10:20

Picking up a few points:

'I don't think they are planning on cutting school meals, just not rolling out the extension that was planned. I could be wrong. '

true but you need to consider that the extension was partlt to pick up flaws in system-(am assuming riven's council operates an ectension to basic system as the basic one is very simple and doens't consider income amounts- basic benefit claim or nothing) atm only people on is can get free school meals (probably jsa); if you are working poor- remembering that could mean self employed and just about breaking even, possibly only say £10 per weel profit (DH doesn't make huge profit becuase of needing to acquire stock / equipment ready for when we go in full blast) but getting tax credits- and wtc barrs you from claiming regardless of what tkae home pay is.

So am thinking that it's not so much an expansion as closing loopholes; esp. as promoting self employment / new start up business is so vital. We need to make the figures for entrepreneaurs about yto enter that hard first few eyars add up don't we?

'that's mean; absolutely it can go as many don't need it but people inyended does not equal smokers; it will include a hell of a lot of newly poor I think, it's needed to make redundancies but you ahve to accept then that there will be newly redundant people in need who have no fault and have a long working history. You can't just accept ther redundancies, it's only half the equation.

'Sacti - sorry, off-topic a bit, this, but is it possible she was using 'aborigine' in its generic sense? The native American indian tribes are often referred to as aboriginal as well. Whereas the Australian Aborigines don't appear to have a specific name, IYSWIM. Or was she just being a bit dim' sadly, sim. Nice lady and all, but....
when the school letter contain glaring errors you know you are dealing with dim not generic.

Yes xenioa we are working towards employment, we just meet hurdles at every step: the plan was for DH to qualify and then me to finish my training (pgce now impossible due to sheer mileage but plan was social work as related to work history; will there evcen be a social work sector in 2 years? Who knows?

Someone said those who know cuts must be made.... don't know anyone who disputes that but what I fear is happening is no doubt created by politicians regardless of gender: we are here defending our incomes and lifestyles panicking whilst the obvious savings (trident, policitans and banks, infrastructure, quango's, investigations (new quangos to create vuts? what are politicians for fgs? new investoigations over deaths at a hospital that have now ceased and have been investigated twice? really? when they are tlaking about livelihoods?) skip by untouched becuase they arer ahrder on those who make the decisions and their friends. that's not an anti tory argument- seems to happen regardless of teh volour of the leaders. but then how differenta re they all? Oxbridge, mainly male, blah de blah..... hardly a surprise is it?

(and yes I know Oxbridge has many very bright people, it however does not by any stretch have all of them- many very bright people did not attend university at all or attened later- we need a bigger variation of people in parliament for really groundbreaking laws)

nymphadora · 10/06/2010 10:28

Free bus passes - the age could be raised? Getting them on retirement rather than 60? Ditto winter fuel. My Dad gets both and is only retired due to redundancy.

Public Sector Wages- Cuts on the wages would be better on the higher wages. I'm concerned about those at the bottom doing some shit jobs for £6 an hour taking cuts they cant afford (and don't deserve)

nymphadora · 10/06/2010 10:28

Free bus passes - the age could be raised? Getting them on retirement rather than 60? Ditto winter fuel. My Dad gets both and is only retired due to redundancy.

Public Sector Wages- Cuts on the wages would be better on the higher wages. I'm concerned about those at the bottom doing some shit jobs for £6 an hour taking cuts they cant afford (and don't deserve)

snowlady · 10/06/2010 10:30

None of the proposed cuts/tax rises seem to be targeted at the richer baby boomers many of whom have retired with large final salary pensions. The only thing that may have affected them was the proposed CGT rise but that is likely to be watered down. If tax credits, child benefit etc are being looked at why are they not looking at all the benefits handed out to pensioners and means testing them as well.

SanctiMoanyArse · 10/06/2010 10:31

isn't retirement age for women still 60? I know free bus passes have changed my (not well off although dad in pt employment after 65) parent's lives for the better- right down to getting to Grandad's house to help him around the house (Grandad 90 this week, needs a bit now!)

saggarmakersbottomknocker · 10/06/2010 10:41

The age women can claim the State Pension going up to 65 Sancti but it depends when you were born. They need to move it up quicker I think as it's a gradual thing over the next 10 years at the moment.

LeninGoooaaall · 10/06/2010 10:48

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nymphadora · 10/06/2010 10:58

My Dad is 60 though & gets a bus pass , plenty of working people still in work at 60 where bus passes are handy rather than essential.

Don't think anyone commented yesterday on my plan to call in all the taxes owed by the Football clubs (and if they owe their million £ debt to RBS etc, call in some of that too- its public money )

sarah293 · 10/06/2010 11:02

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LadyBlaBlah · 10/06/2010 11:06

But Lenin, they deserve all that wealth, they have all worked 100 times harder than the average Joe who has no money at all. They are all of superior intelligence and creativity and all with outstanding business acumen. So really, everyone else just needs to become a bit more like them.

wubblybubbly · 10/06/2010 11:09

I agree Lenin.

An individual doesn't create wealth on their own. In order to accumulate these vast personal fortunes they've used the labour of ordinary people. It seems that the acquistion of personal millions along the way is a mere by product of their very philanthropist desire to create employment for the plebs. God bless 'em all.

The argument is always we can't ask these folk to make a bigger contribution, it might piss them off and they'll leave. I guess they didn't get where they are today based upon their community spirit.

If Michael Caine, for example, wants to bugger off somewhere warm and spend his millions elsewhere, I'll help him pack.

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WhatFreshHellIsThis · 10/06/2010 11:30

George Monbiot put it well when he described BP's profits as externalised costs they hadn't bothered paying.

If people are rich, it is never just down to them and their hard work. It is also down to society providing them with the opportunity, the framework, the education, the job, the team, the business climate etc etc etc

We all owe a debt to society, and for those that have the most, the debt should be highest.

Yet for some reason we seem to think that those who have done least well out of our society should be penalised for it, instead.

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FellatioNelson · 10/06/2010 11:57

LadyBlahBLah the point about people who earn alot of money is that in general they create or generate or save enormous aamounts of money for their companies, and then take a proportion of it in salary/bonus/commission. Superior intellect really has nothing to to do with it, though hard work frequently does. Again, it's open to everyone to have a bash if they think they are up to it.

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nymphadora · 10/06/2010 12:05

£40K is a funny one though as many 'normal' jobs fit into it rather than 'rich people' jobs.

I agree with the 40% tax but and increase gradually up from that as income increases. 100k a week should be taxed to make it a normal wage (got it in for footballers today )

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