Dave's cuts are going be deep and they will hurt

[FellatioNelson]

I've been hearing this all day on the radio. I can't take the suspense any longer. They are going to affect the lives of 'every one of us'

I feel like a person wincing and clenching my teeth in anticipation of the big fuck-off needle the school nurse is wielding, and I'm next in the queue....

Come on then, what's it going to be?

Oh Xenia I have been telling Dh that we should work split shifts and he rofl.

If one of us is getting up 2 hourly through the night and usually only getting 2-4 hours kip a night that is not conducive with then going out to employment; there have been many days I have had to even reject driving as I would simply not be safe.

It's a nice idea; one we did for a while- DH coming home at 5.330 and I would run out the fdoor to do evenings at teh local FE college administering the evening shifts. Goodness, I loved that job!.

then I had to pack it in as Dh was put on a rotational shift system (how do you worka orund that?), I managed to find work elsewhere, better paid work if not as enjoyable (charity fundrasing) but once my Mum could no longer help with chidlcare that was that. Finito.

What we need is a Nanny; i've worked that much out. But we need to wade through the intensive appoitnments period forst otherwise no employer would have me (every time we get a dx something crops up- atm it's ds1's anorexia and ds3's assessment for epilepsy).

But we'll get there. Step by step. And it will be sweet when we do. Once Dh is qualified he can do drop offs etc, as he will work from home- just 2 painful years. Then it's apply for the SW training adn I will be well away (if there is any SSD after the cuts of course).

Quite, QUITE happy at the thought of poor beleaguered father of my children being chained to something.

I am sure however that your chain gang comment was taking the piss.

I asked Dh about the chain gang thing for absent fithers not coughing up and he quite agreed with the idea.

Fair play to him.

Which sense of repsonsibility of course is why I married him and not the FD who asked me as well and who turned out long term to be a compelte prat and unemployable.

SanctiMoany: collector of proposals (OK, only 6.... so far , only 2 actual engagements)

Valid point Riv; could you iamgine ds1 left with your dd- he's fine with adults there but the minute someone went to the loo, if she was screaming- yes quite.

Which is why we get ca and dla for him.

All sn differs but a great many asd kids cannot be cared for properly in group environments, and many others have such complex needs they need qualified carers

Though i'd glady provide specilaist childcare for asd kids if A) I was allowed in the house; and B) Dh wasn't here working

How2ever the kdis that could use it would be same ones could use normal CM surely?

Def think that 'Dave'should cut public sector pay (and both Dh and I work in the pubic sector) rather than make mass redundancies. Rise in unemployement will be a disaster for whole country.

flossielimejuice - i agree. How about 5pc paycut + 5pc redunancies + pay freeze for 3 years. Wonder how much that adds up to.

National Debt is approx 800BN? Reckon that RBS + Lloyds sale will eventually raise approx 200BN in a few years which would be a massive profit. Well done Darling and Brown.

Should invest say 10BN in green/sustainable technology

If we do the right things we could emerge a much better country structurally.

What the private sector did about 18 months ago was ensure many many people were offered say a 4 day week and less pay or else 20% redundancies. Many now work fewer hours for less pay. That sort of thing has worked well.

(Obviously some special needs children need one person with them although plenty are in families with more than one child so in fact often are with 2 or 3 siblings.)

On the working ideas it sounds like SMA and family are working towards being able to do more work etc

Anyway it certainly won't be easy and cheap to mess around with special needs families and most people on state benefits aren't in that category. There are lots of simpler and cheaper things that can be done first

Sacti - sorry, off-topic a bit, this, but is it possible she was using 'aborigine' in its generic sense? The native American indian tribes are often referred to as aboriginal as well. Whereas the Australian Aborigines don't appear to have a specific name, IYSWIM. Or was she just being a bit dim?!

5% pay cut and pay freeze for three years on Nurses, teachers, police, firemen etc?? Are you serious?
Nurses only start on around £19k don't they? Won't that just drive good staff away to more profitable employment? Just one thought, not to mention the all the others!

Good point would only do 5pc cut for those over a certain amount..definitely not nurses and lowly paid teachers. But pay freeze across the board, yes

3 year pay freeze will save masses and avoid redundancies and high unemployment.

As Xenia said we had a lot of 4 day weekers and sabbaticals in private sector which can be win win

pay freeze for 1 year has been talked about and is not good but manageable as the end ''is in sight''.

3 years is far too long, when you think/I think how much my, for example rent increases every year and shopping bills and gas/electric etc. people will not be able to keep up. They will be run into the ground. It is simply incredulous to think 3 years is ok surely?

''had''?
also,some public sector workers can only do public sector work...you don't get private police and there are only so many private schools and hospitals. People in the private sector have more flexible and transferable skills don't they?

Well far better than high unemployment. Pay freeze will also bring down inflation.

3 year pay freeze would be massive saving and reduce the pain elsewhere.

but surely, a 3 year pay freeze will still equal unemployment...it will just effect a different groups of the workforce. People, like myself [hundreds and thousands of people] will not be spending/buying and that effects the next person in the industry I was previously buying from etc.

yes disposable income will reduce spending but:

1)you have to do non discretionary spend

2)people switch to value goods

3)not the same order impact like taking someone's job away and then paying for them to stay at home

There will have to trim some jobs to be efficient but I wouldn't suggest that they go overboard on that.

TDiddy, what do you mean by 'non discretionary spend'?

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/anatole_kaletsky/article7146360.ece

He has good ideas.

non discretionary spend' means essentials like food. Tescos continued to do well in recession, M&S had to offer more value products. People migrate to value products but they still have to buy stuff.

Thank you, wubbly, for that very clear riposte to the 'oh, I'm doing the rest of you SUCH a massive favour by sending little Peregrine to St Boltoph's Academy for the sons of the landed gentry' brigade. I happen to know people who raise serious money for their old public schools - but they wouldn't dream of claiming they are doing the rest of society any favours (bar the odd scholarship for the deserving poor).

Apart from anything else, it always makes the person saying this look a bit dim. If they don't understand the very nature of taxation, perhaps their children do need 'special' schools to save them from the failings of their parents?

Oh well I tell you what then Edam I'll withdraw my children from their current school and the LEA can find the extra £12,000 a year required to educate them whilst I sit on my arse shall I ? Because my only motivation for going to work is keep my children in the style of which they are accustomed to, take that away and you're not getting my taxes for anything else either. Happy ?

Oh well I tell you what then Edam I'll withdraw my children from their current school and the LEA can find the extra £12,000 a year required to educate them whilst I sit on my arse shall I ? Because my only motivation for going to work is keep my children in the style of which they are accustomed to, take that away and you're not getting my taxes for anything else either. Happy ?