The dust has almost settled. My assessment of how the BNP performed.

[daftpunk]

Ok, they didn't make the political breakthrough I'd hoped for, but if you look at the results they are actually very encouraging.

The BNP got 563,743 votes (dispite only fighting half of all the available 650 seats)

They got 10% of the vote. That is pretty amazing for a small party, and under proportional representation those votes would result in seats.

NC will merge with someone (eventually?) and as one of his main aims is to push through PR it's all good for the BNP.

What do these results mean for the BNP ?

The tripling of the BNP vote on May 6th has some important implications.

Firstly, where they went head to head with UKIP and the Greens they thrashed them, they overtook UKIP in 178 seats, and UKIP have far more money than the BNP, and of course UKIP and the Greens are favoured by the media.

Secondly, while all minority parties were pushed to the edge by the bigger parties, the BNP's vote not only help up, but proportionally increased when compared to their June 2009 Euro election results.

The BNP are here to stay, and although the election was a disappointment in some respests, it was a clear sign that 1000's of people up and down the country support the policies of the BNP.

And let's not forget, political pundits had all but written off the Labour party after they lost the 92'election....

They went on to win 3 elections.

Why would you say less than 1% of BNP voters were racist? Was there some kind of survey?

That isn't a statistic is it? It's a guestimate, based on what you would like to think because you don't want to admit that a vote for the BNP is a racist vote.

Thesteelfairy2

What's the problem with immigration..?

Nothing, if we have the space and jobs for people, I am free to go and work in france if I want to, and anyway, I am not talking about EU workers..(although it should be British jobs for British workers) I am talking about non-EU immigrants, asylum seekers, and the massive illegal immigrant problem.

Do you think it's ok for us to house and feed pretty much anyone who turns up at our airports...?

No one should be allowed into the UK unless they have a skill we need and we have the space for them, why take in people who will be nothing but a drain on our economy...?

ok a few facts for you

Non-EU immigrants can't claim benefits - they have to be paying their own way

Aslyum seekers don't get full benefits and aren't ALLOWED to work until they're granted refugee status.

They have full use of the NHS and our schools.

I agree the Labour party has done something about mass immingration , but that is only in the last two years, with a points system, also they will only start counting people in and out of the country at the end of the year. Most immigration will in fact come from the EU and whilst we are in the EU nothing much can happen in that direction.

well yes I should think that the working tax paying Non-EU immigrants would have full use of our schools and NHS - they're paying taxes for it!

And what would ou suggest the aslyum seekers do while they sit and wait for potentially years for a decision? Not have an education or die on our streets?

Complimentary - you're not kidding - I'm just looking at the site - it's unbelievable - a worldwide org. And has the cheek to have a .org!

Bloody hell.

So DP -are you a racial supremist then as I'm laughing about you differentiating between eu and non eu immigration - the most obvious being one set is white the other is not guaranteed to be white or is that White?

Well, I'm from a non white background but my non-white mother was born British in another country. And why - conditions of the empire. So, she's as british as you -has never had other nationality and doesn't have anywhere to go to. Is she a drain on 'our' economy? Can you answer that question?

I used to think you were just misguided, now you are starting to piss me off.

How do you support yourself if you cannot work whilst kid at primary school - do you have a partner to bring in the money or is it from a public source?

What is the problem of refugees using our health service or schools? It's a bit brutal to just let them be sick and deny their children the chance to learn things. Why on earth would anybody want to live in such an uncivilised country if we didn't show some basic humanity to people fleeing persecution?

Most people's idea of this country is based on tolerance and fairness, thankfully, which is why the BNP have to fundamentally conceal what they are about.

I don't know why I am engaging with this rubbish though. How do I delete threads please?

larry - one they are a refugees they are free to find work - and most asylum seekers want to work so do their best to find something (often the "British" jobs which large number of British dole scroungers think they're too good for......)

Aslyum seeker = someone waiting for a decision with very little in the way of rights or support

Refugee - someone that's been granted asylum and given the right to remain here (and find work etc etc)

Larrysgal - you can't delete them - but if you click on "hide thread" at the top of the page (just under the thick blue line above the thread) it will be taken off the threads you're on and out of your active convo's

think I'm going to do the same.........

larrysgal;

It's a question of economics...most countries have restictions on immigration.

Toccantfudge. Non EU immigrants can claim benefits, anyone who has been granted indefinate leave, can claim benefits and so can any spouse. Anyone who is granted indefinate leave after 5 years can also bring in dependants. Indefinate leave can and is granted to non-professionals and that is why the points syustem was brought in.

I was just using the word in it's dictionary sense, Toccatanfudge:

ref·u·gee (rfy-j)
n.
One who flees in search of refuge, as in times of war, political oppression, or religious persecution.

I know that there is a legal terminology, but I sometimes think that the rightwing press have polluted the term Asylum-seeker so thoroughly that people need reminding that it means fleeing persecution, not being an "illegal immigrant".

Can anyone help me with the deleting thrads thing though? I can see that this one is going to get me annoyed.

Ah, I type too slowly. Thank you

so which countries have restrictions on asylum seekers then?

As I'm sure some of the countries which have massive refugee camps and have estimated 100,000's or millions of aslyum seekers would sometimes like to be able to limit them

larrysgal. If people are genuinely fleeing perscecution, then why do many people not seek refuge in the nearest country? why cross many countries and then claim asylum here?

aslyum seekers can NOT claim benefits - they get a reduced rate of some benefits.

Non-EU migrants can only claim benefits after they have been given leave to remain - and with many on work permits that never happens. And in the first year of being in the UK are not allowed to claim.

compliementary - the vast majority of aslyum seekers do indeed seek refuge in the nearest country - hence you have enormous refugee camps in countries that can't even afford to feed their own people.

The numbers of aslyum seekers in the UK is miniscule compared to many much poorer countries in the world

DAftpunk. You say that if you replaced your leader Nick Griffin, the party I take it would be better led. Who would replace him?I know most people think he's as thick as two short planks, but he's not is he. Griffin went to Cambridge, so have you any Oxford dons lined up waiting to take his place?

Take the moral high ground IGNORE

before I hide this thread

taken from Amnesty website

here are an estimated 14.2 million refugees in the world, roughly 0.21% of the world?s population

the numbers of internally displaced persons are currently estimated to be around 24.5 million ? 0.4% of the world?s population

the majority of refugees and IDPs are in Asia and Africa, which between them host a total of 9.2 million refugees and 18.1 million IDPs

Yes that's right Africa and Asia host approx 65% of the worlds refugees.

Riven now do it xxx