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Another unelected labour PM

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voteanythingbutBNPplease · 10/05/2010 17:05

Gordon brown resigns.
So if LIb dems do deal with labour - ANOTHER unelected PM.

hmmm

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fembear · 10/05/2010 18:23

"Fairness and Conservative, eh no can't make it work - oxymoron I think."

Conservatives believe in equality of opportunity, as opposed to Labour who believe in equality of outcome aka dumbing down, politics of envy etc

gomez · 10/05/2010 18:25

I am not a labour supporter but if forced to chose I would go for the party with some social conscience and a degree of empathy for the poorer in this society.

Interesting that Labour have performed well in local English elections where people know the cuts a lot of the cuts in public services are going to be managed/implemented and it would appear that they would prefer Labour to be presiding over those cuts.

belledechocolatefluffybunny · 10/05/2010 18:26

How do you know that the Conservatives have no empathy?

MintHumbug · 10/05/2010 18:26

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Aussieng · 10/05/2010 18:27

Labour lost a huge proportion of their vote in the North East where the major Civil Service cuts will be effected.

Quattrocento · 10/05/2010 18:30

We'll have weeks of this uncertainty.

I quite fancied a Con-Lib hook-up. The Libs would stop the worst of the Tory excesses, but the economy would be handled reasonably.

Slightly more scared of a new lib-lab pact. Neither party had any real agenda around managing the budget deficit, and that's more of a worry than which labour mp is going to become PM

But now I'm getting used to this uncertainty, I quite like not having a government. It's kind of freeing. Makes you realise how unnecessary it was. And look, the markets went up ....

WetAugust · 10/05/2010 18:31

Probably becasue we in the public service see every day just what a waste of public money labour policies have caused

Alouiseg · 10/05/2010 18:32

Unless our economy is stabilised there won't be any rubbish collections! Or education, or health, or anything that the government control.

The markets have indicated that they want a conservative government. Without that our debt repayments will go through the roof and we are talking about billions of pounds in interest payments.

We will be downgraded and the future of the country is about as stable as Greece.

WetAugust · 10/05/2010 18:34

But interest rates will rise - great for savers and great for buying an investment property when house prices plummet.

If that's what they really want - I'll benefit.

belledechocolatefluffybunny · 10/05/2010 18:34

I work in the NHS, for the past 5/6 years there's not been enough staff, sickness is high because we are working on skeleton staff in some departments. It's rediculous, there are lovely new PFI hospitals but there's no staff to work in them! All glossy on the outside but when you look inside...

gomez · 10/05/2010 18:35

Don't suggest for one minute that local election results can or indeed should be extrapolated - but given local government will be responsible for getting the best they can from the cut budgets it is I think disingenuous to suggest that voters for the local elections were only interested in planning applications or bin collections.

Belle - my view of the Conservatives is that of a party who will provide a framework for success with no safety net for those who can't manage that success for whatever reason. The Conservative version of civil liberties doesn't to my mind extend to human rights and equality.

belledechocolatefluffybunny · 10/05/2010 18:36

Tax and interest rates do need to rise, the whole country lived the high life for a long time, it was never sustainable. The party had to end sometime, it's time for a clean up now and Labour just are no longer fit for the job.

WetAugust · 10/05/2010 18:37

Civil liberties - don't make me laugh. Labour has given us the ultimate surveillance society with cams on every street, ID cards, ridiculous poers to local authorities to snoop on people....

belledechocolatefluffybunny · 10/05/2010 18:38

gomez the Conservative of Maggie Thatcher was a long time ago. Where's the evidence to say that they are going to abandon people who are not sucessful? Where does it say that they don't value civil liverties, human rights and equality?

Alouiseg · 10/05/2010 18:42

The Conservative party of Mrs Thatcher actually gave many more opportunities than it took away........as long as you were prepared to get on Tebbits bike and reject the culture of entitlement that was fostered by the last labour administration.

lal123 · 10/05/2010 18:45

nevermind all that - how much would you have paid to have seen David Cameron's face at 5 o'clock??

ahundredtimes · 10/05/2010 18:46

MILLIONS

I'd have paid MILLIONS

ahundredtimes · 10/05/2010 18:47

Oh and re PM

I don't care. The fact is that you vote for a parliament - you don't vote for a PM.

That's not how it works. Otherwise - if we voted for a PM - then we'd tick the box that said Cameron.

We vote for a parliament. Not for a prime minister.

MollieO · 10/05/2010 18:49

Didn't realise we had a presidential system by stealth. In the USA they vote for an individual, here we vote for a party. It makes no difference who is leading that party imo.

theyoungvisiter · 10/05/2010 18:50

"Clegg's acting very duplicitous. Wasting 4 days of the conservatives (and nation's) time. This is not the way to negotiate. What a wolly!"

FGS - he's not a wally or duplicitous. He's trying to get an agreement that his party can live with.

It's not his fault that the Tories are baulking on the ONE thing that's most important to the Lib dems.

If he agrees to a coalition that doesn't work for his party, how long do you think it will stand for? THAT would be a waste of the nation's time.

patienceplease · 10/05/2010 18:51

But this election was far more about the leaders than ever before cos of the debates. And lots of people don't actually think about the parliament - they are voting for who they want to be PM (I know that others vote very much for their local MP). It justs seems to me that it would have been better for GB to have said before the election, so that people could have decided based on the new leader of labour. I don't know much about the millibands or balls, but who knows what their personal slant on things may be. They could take the labour party in a different direction (ie more left or more nu-labour), which may not be what the electorate wanted.

Ewe · 10/05/2010 18:51

I am Labour and I don't want a lib/lab/nationalist pact. I did at first, due to a fear of the Tories but I think a lib/con coalition that will inevitably go tits up could be good for Labour.

Think we need time out of office to reflect and strategise.

I think the lib dems are in a no win, they need to look at all options to placate party but many many supporters will be unhappy regardless of who they align with. A Tory government which is reigned in by Lib Dems wouldn't be the worst thing to come out of this election.

GeorginaWorsley · 10/05/2010 18:53

I am disappointed in NC.
Smacks of Libdems holding country to ransom for their own ends rather than offering a new way of doing things.
This is def not in the country's interests.
Am also at the unelected Campbell,Adonis etc pontificating on the news.

foreverastudent · 10/05/2010 18:54

apparently 1/3 of our PMs have been unelected and have come to power in this way

theyoungvisiter · 10/05/2010 18:56

"lots of people don't actually think about the parliament - they are voting for who they want to be PM"

Well sorry but more fool them because that's not how the system works.

That's like voting green and then saying "but I thought we had proportional representation - what happened to my vote?"

You vote using the system you have, not the system you want.