Another unelected labour PM

[voteanythingbutBNPplease]

Gordon brown resigns.
So if LIb dems do deal with labour - ANOTHER unelected PM.

hmmm

Mme - I agree, I think we'll either see a minority Conservative government or some supply understanding with the Libs, perhaps not a formal coalition though?

then labour will re-group quickly, provide a good opposition

then we'll all go to the polls again. . .

Unfortunetely it may not be bickering and bartering in Germany or Holland but in this country it will be.The liberals have demonstratated that by efectively saying that no issue,thats including the deficit reduction,the war in Afghanistan,education etc,is as important as electoral reform.

Why have they said this ,is it because this issue is crucial to getting a stable national government...no...its because that is what gives the Liberals the best chance of having more power in the future .

British politics at its best

But bourbon it is completely unfair that 23% of people vote for a party and that party gets less than 10% of seats, just as it is unfair that those of us in safe seats may as well not bother voting as the other side always, always gets in. I'm not a LibDem but I think they are right that we can't fix anything if the system is broken.

Actually i agree,I am in favour of electoral reform but i do think that it is a very complex subject,not one to be rushed at as a deal breaker in these circumstances.

If we are going to change our electoral system it will affect the fundamental constitutional rights of every voter,it should therefore go to a referendum.We should consider fully the impact of the necessary boundary changes and the potential impact of multi-member constituencies on our system.There will have to be an education process to educate people about the different methods of voting and how their vote will now operate etc etc etc .

I also think that at the moment we do have more pressing problems and that we shouldn't be using this one issue as the fulcrum on which we choose our Government for the next five years.It is an important issue but not the most important at the moment.

Bourbon
I don't agree. To the Lib Dems PR has been a corner stone of their party ideals for decades. It is like expecting the German Green party to form a coalition with the left and agreeing to build more nuclear power stations.

If the Lib Dems go for a coalition without electoral reform - or at least the promise of a referendum - then they will lose almost every supporter that they have. The party cannot afford to do that.

Coolfinz, John Major won his election, GB just lost his.

The way to look at it is, if they go with someone no-one voted for, like Ed Balls, it'll go horribly wrong and the Tories will get in next time (October?). If they go with a Tory Lib alliance, there will be a Liberal voice in the cabinet and maybe that would be better.

Either way, I think we'll be back at the polls within a year.

Alouiseg
If the banks had not been saved, were we not told that the markets would crash?

The markets would have reacted. They may have crashed. They are not the same thing. Traders and investors can be independent, within banks, hedge funds, pension funds, companies (Ikea has one of the biggest treasuries in the world).

Ok. So who are the market then?

Who reacts to make the markets crash? The banks, the traders, the investors.

The actions of the banks brought the markets to the brink of crashing.

The government stepped in. Threw a few £billion at the banks to placate the markets, things quietened down.

The banks are now making profits. The bankers are receiving bonus payments.

But the government is not allowed to take a week to form because the "markets" won't like it.

If the "markets" are not the banks, traders and investors who are they?

an explanation on another thread

Surely the markets are so jittery of the British situation because of Britains lousy debt problems, not just because they are unused to seeing British politicians in this situation?

I would have thought it was a combination of the two.

Thats what I said. In normal circs, perhaps "the markets" wouldnt have any significance, but in this situation, they know hard times are ahead.

ah instead an unelected Tory PM whoopdefuckingdo!

Elected by more people than TB was last time!