Cameron has Guts!

[Cadders1]

Not a Tory - but just watching his speech - I am impressed that he is pushing the coalition with the LD's as this would not be an easy option. Normally think he is smarmy but I am not quite so scared now that he will be our PM!

I'm the only one who read the thread title and thought:

'yes he has guts, but does he have any bollocks?' aren't I?

We don't know what the conversation behind the scenes was but if Clegg accepts anything less than the promise of a referendum for electoral reform, I'll be very disappointed.

In any case, sorry guys but the ball has set rolling now, we're no longer a two party country. And hurrah for that!

"Camoron has guts" ...

He certainly resembles a colon.

In fact wasn't there some talk of Brown becoming an Elvis impersonator in the future, just like the one that appeared at one of his photo ops? I hope that Brown and Subo don't do any duets, he's already inflicted enough suffering on the country.

I personally loved Caitlin Moran's description of him as "a giant smooth buttock with two eyes".

DC does have balls.... He was the only leader to fight the entire campaign on the basis that he wanted to be the outright winner. He never backed down from that. Labour saw the writing on the wall enough to beg people to vote tactically for the LDs. (Ouch) The LDs couldn't convert leader popularity to wholehearted support at local level.

And if anyone thinks that PR would have made today any different, they're deluded. Conservatives would still hold the biggest number of seats. The numbers would have been different and there may be more people involved (BNP, UKIP, etc) but they'd all still be huddled over telephones making deals with each other into the night. If we get PR we'll have to get used to this

Cadders - I really don't dispute that! But we don't have it....so voting for policies in this election didn't work.

Abs - that's so apt!

I wouldn't say that.

Brown has just offered the Lib Dems a single referendum.

Cameron has offered Lib Dems a chance to participate in government, and real policy influence. That is serious stuff.

Despite the Lib Dems doing disastrously compared with expectations, and compared with last time round, they could have a genuine chance to implement their ideas.

Cameregg / Cleggeron... it's all merging into one now.

Cameron is 'different, a new broom'

only if different means ham-shine on the outside, old lady Thatcher on the inside

'new broom' - my arse

I was really surprised he made that offer to the Lib Dems in a big open speech. I'd somehow imagined that all this stuff would be happening in private, Mandelson-style. So glad he did it this way. (of course there may be stuff going on behind the scenes too.)

er no....

Brown offered legislation - this is where something actually gets done

Cameron offered a committee in a wee room with biscuits

get a fucking clue

LaurieFecktheToriesCake

Maybe I just dreamed the stuff on the structuring of the pupil premium, the changing of the lower tax thresholds, the aspects of green policy, etc? Not to mention the elephant in the room - the chance to serve in government...

has Brown specifically offered seats in the cabinet then?

sethstarkaddersmum

No - Cameron has (more or less explicitly).

First he talked about the prospects for a minority Tory government, where the Lib Dems simply agreed not to vote down the Tories on confidence motions and the Budget.

But then he said he preferred a proper coalition with the Lib Dems, with concessions from both sides on policy, because it would provide more stable government.

you did dream it

he said the pupil premium stuff (very minor relevancy in the big scheme of things)

lower tax thresholds - what he said was Tories 'always support low taxation for lower incomes' - this is a shower of shite

green policy - ho ho ho - dinnae be silly, he said NOTHING with substance

chance to serve in government - with a government on the other side of the political spectrum? who aren't popular enoughy to get rid of Brown? who are completely factionalised? - are you serious?

Though Brown would be forced to offer cabinet seats to the Lib Dems. Cameron might just be able to get away without it, because he is so close to overall majority territory.

But Brown is just out. He lost about 100 seats. No Prime Minister can justify staying on after being utterly humiliated like that.

thanks Longfingernails, that's what I thought.

sethstarkaddersmum, I think they have had all of their people preparing for this eventuality over the last few weeks. That's why they can put it all together so quickly. As Dr, Johnson said, "the prospect of hanging concentrates the mind wonderfully", and they will be hung, drawn and quartered by the markets if they don't come to an agreement soon.

he didn't have to write the speech from scratch after staying up all night then?

seth, I wouldn't put it past him, some of us think he is very close to Superman

Same Tory arrogance,he referred to Gordon Brown as the out-going Prime Minister,well as I understand it under Constitutional rules Gordon Brown will remain Prime Minister until he decides he cannot form an alliance and resigns.

As for David Cameron being described as selfless,selfish more like,jobs for the boys is an apt description for the Tories,as I heard him described on the radio this week,David Cameron is one of Thatcher,s children and that scares the hell out of me.

also ignore the hostile reports about Gideon Osborne. Some of the inner circle refer to him as "the Boy Wonder"

"By AbsOfCroissant Fri 07-May-10 15:43:02
Are you saying he's fat?"

Am afraid that on seeing the thread title, that was my first thought too...

But Claig, even Simon Heffer refers to Osborne as 'Little Boy George'.

I'm only joking about Osborne. He gets a terrible press, I haven't made my mind up about him yet, don't know enough about him.