Tell me why you are voting conservative this time

[Lilovoter]

Some of my reasons are:

• I want a smaller state
• I want a society that encourages aspiration
• Gordon Brown is odious and he and his team lack credibility and real backbone. They are frighteningly good at spin though!!!
• I want Labout out of government and a fresh start for Britain. I do not want a Liberal/Labour coalition.

I'm not - can't say they have many policies that appeal.

Cameron looks like a plastic Blair - 'diet Blair' or 'Blair-lite - and their whole front bench seem to be very rich and very priveleged.

I don't believe them on tax. I think the Married Couples Tax plan is unfair and ludicrous.

I think Michael Gove would damage my childrens education.

I think the inheritance tax issue shows they are still the party of the mega-rich.

Also, seems to me like Rupert Murdoch (and therefore The Sun and The Times) is supporting the Tories on the basis that they will break up the BBC for him and prevent Ofcom from limiting Sky TV.

I started to read this thread with interest -I am pretty impartial and hadn't completely decided how to vote yet. But on the first page what do I find but a really, really offensive comment from - well, who else, a Tory.

"Personally I would rather have an ex Etonion than a pair of Scots feathering Scotlands nest with Englands profits.

Can somebody explain to me why it's acceptable to make these xenophobic comments about Scottish people? I have lived in England for many years, pay top rate tax etc and have to listen to tripe like this all the time. Think I shall be voting for Brown et al on principle now...

I am of Sottish and Irish descent and did not even bother me, try and take it with a pinch of salt. As you know there are plenty of Conservatives in Scotland. Look at the policies there are good and bad in all parties. If you want disgraceful labour behaviour read the Times front page, labour have been targetting cancer sufferers with scaremongering that their health is at risk if the tories get in ...

Well its to do with the fact the scots swan about talking of Independence, when at the same time each and every scotsman gets a £1000 subsidy from the english taxpayer. The fact is if the scots went independent, and we took our subsidy back, the scots would be living in poverty forevermore.Then to top it all ,they vote in westminster blindly propping up the labour government, which is basically sticking two fingers up at any english taxpayer that opposes labour.

The scots want to make up there minds. Either become independant, stop taking our tax money and stop voting in our parliament, or get back in line, drop the scottish assembly crap and start acting like a proper party in westminster, and refrain from sucking labours cock every time they need your votes.

Are we talking about the same Scotland, Lilovoter? Because as far as I recall, the conservatives only won 1 seat in Scotland in the last election, and that was one more than they'd managed in the 2. However, whether there are many Conservatives in Scotland or not is irrelevant. Criticism of Brown/Darling is absolutely fine, I'm not suggesting for a minute that they are perfect! But at least make it about their policies and performance and not about their nationality. The Conservative Party has worked so hard over the last few years to convince us all that they are 'of the people' but for me, AlouiseQ's remark just embodies the elitism and arrogance that I remember so well from their last stint in power....

lincstash doesn't believe in mincing her words

I agree it is not relevant, make it about the policies and performance. But you will always get people making these types of inflamatory comments, frankly would not put it past labour to put post this type of spoof comment apparently from a conservative as fits the wrong stereotype. Make up your mind on the policies, not because of one poster on mumsnet

Sorry, this is from way back in the thread, in response to something that Fayrazzled said - though I've heard similar sentiments from lots of others:

Fay said that she was ideologically a Labour voter, but didn't believe that New Labour was the same thing at all. But she then implied that, for that reason, she was at least considering voting Conservative, though she had some reservations.

WHAT?

If New Labour has let you down, what on earth makes you think that the Conservatives could possibly be closer to your ideological convictions?

I equate attacking Cameron for being and Etonian with comments anbout Brown being Scottish- don't like either.

Hm, don't know whether I should dignify lincstash with a response but anyway...

I don't recall that the Conservatives have any plans to reverse Devolution? Which I would agree has thrown up many unfair policies such as free prescriptions, access to newer drugs on NHS etc. And I don't think Brown or Darling actually made these policies?

On the subsidy thing, it's actually the huge wealth that London/South East generates that subsidises the rest of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. So perhaps you should start being offensive to everyone outside the capital and not just the Scots? And I'm sure that the Scottish Nationalists (one of which I am not) would reply to you that they would like their independence, and they'll take all the revenues from the North Sea oil with them too.

Anyway you can't spell and are obviously a complete moron. I can't believe I have even bothered to reply...think that will be it from me on this thread!

TDiddy: I equate attacking Cameron for being and Etonian with comments anbout Brown being Scottish- don't like either.

I don't agree - slating GB for being Scottish is racist and therefore derbrained.

Slating DC for being an Etonian taps into some quite reasonable and demonstrably accurate assumptions about how that group have historically behaved, in terms of protecting their own class interests and being blithely unaware of the daily difficulties experienced by those at the bottom.

and crucially, the difficulties experienced by those at the middle. We should all remember that, all those of us who are two mortgage payments away from disaster.

GB is Scottish because his parents raised him there. DC is OE because his parents sent him there. Common denominator?

Both attitudes are wrong. Amongst equality experts there a significant number who want to see legislation to protect from less favourable treatment on the grounds of class. This would make derogatory comments on the basis of Eton/working class equally unlawful (in some situations) and hopefully would make this type of bigotry socially unacceptable.

Erm, no. Quite definitely no.

You may just as relevantly say 'David Lammy is black because his parents were black. DC is OE because his parents sent him there.'

Wilfully derbrained.

Your point?

you are being wilfully derbrained. That's my point.

Tinasan Sun 11-Apr-10 21:00:20 , and "

Anyway you can't spell and are obviously a complete moron."

See, like most internet noobs, you dont understand the difference between spelling and keyboarding. I can spell perfectly fine, but my keyboarding is a lot sloppier, and since this is a throw away internet forum, whats the point of checking the spelling?

I find people who resort to attacking spelling and grammar on forums are usually a) anal anoraks and b) fresh out of debating tactics.

As for North Sea Oil, production for the UK (North Sea, west of Shetland) peaked in 1999. We became a net importer of oil at the beginning of 2006, shortly before the peak in global oil production and will effectively run out by about 2020. So at best ten years then your screwed.

I don't really know what derbrained means. I am obviously burdened by being Scottish, Unionist, married, privately educated, working etc.

Onebatmother, what do you think about conservative policies? Who will you be voting for?

Labour.

But that wasn't my point. My point was the stupendous lack of logic in your argument.

Derbrained then, eh? Anyone would be to vote Labour.

Tell me, onebatmother. If you vote labour, your going to put Peter Mandelson back into power, because although hes an unelected Lord, he sticks his nose in and managed to get himself into positions of power in government.

The man has been thrown out of public office twice because hes a liar and a cheat, hes an expert in lining his own pocket with public money, and he a slimy two faced traitor who will sell us down the river to fill his own wallet.

Why would you vote labour knowing they have such odius and objectionable men in there ranks ? The man is a major crook.

It's all to do with everyone being derbrained, linc. And that is not in jest.