TORIES

[Eilatan]

if they get in:

They'll end HIPS so my husband will loose his job
He's actually a teacher but can't get work cos the last time they were in they brought in 'cover supervisors' ...unqualified people who are doing our jobs
They do away with the 15 hours nursery care...all we do is wait for our little un to be 3 so we can just break even each month... but no doubt these evil so and sos will take it away to pay for the w(b)ankers ineptitude
I expect they do away with the trust funds too
Teachers wages will be frozen ...
Over 60s cold weather payments? Ha! last time they were in Edwina Currie advised them to knit woolly gloves!
Any tiny power the unions have been able to claw back will go...
We'll be back to teaching kids that homosexuality is wrong and if a piece of literature wasn't written by someone dead, white and male it isn't worth reading
...if they get in I'm jacking it all in... going to sell the house and live in a caravan... no way am I working on Maggie's farm again!

Don't be fooled by all that caring for the family rubbish. All those c care for is making their own kind richer.

PLEASE don't vote for them.

here it is a labour blog though

They have talked about cutting Surestart PLUS adding new "Sure Start Health Visitors" which makes me suspect that they will basically decimate Sure Start, sell of the buildings and replace it with health visitor clinics

Have I got that wrong?

Yes it is the savings calculations that suggest that below 30k households will be the cut off

this suggest they may and its a may cut it altogether as they think tax credts creats poverty

this suggest they may and its a may cut it altogether as they think tax credts creats poverty

Regardless of party politics, a change of administrarion every 10 years or so is healthy inho.

change every ten years would not need to be heathy if they were in the job for long term goals instead of just wanting to line their own egos and pockets

Long term things would better the country much more than short term gains for votes - but that never really happens which is a shame.

Sorry, not read the entire thread but "They inherited a golden legacy of an economy from the Tories" made me chuckle.

I have drunk wine. The most coherent I can be this evening is:

Tories are mean

I think they're unelectable (as Labour were for a while)

and

Oh blinking Norah everyone hates Labour and so actually they might really lose.

Oh, and tying to be positive:

It might be a wake up call to Labour.

Feck.

Oh, and if the Tories win they'll install transmiters in every school, emanating special evil science waves, that will turn each and every child into John Redwood.

[may have been watching too much Dr Who emoticon]

Manfrom's post has worried me a lot. I've set up a new thread -if you are interested click here-
in case you hate the idea of party activists/interns posting from HQs under assumed names.

I might be the only one horrified by that article though...

The news article is August 2009 - they have since backtracked and said they will cut for those over 50k.

The blog - he hasnt actually said that though (keeps fingers crossed!). It says if this is what he meant then this could be a risk.

Personally I dont see how supporting families through helping them with childcare costs creates poverty?! We get back less than we pay in tax for a short period of time - if he took this away one of us would have not to work and in the short and long term that would mean we would pay less tax!

What is says is

At the Tory Conference earlier this year, George Osborne outlined the Tories? plan to get rid of the Child Tex Credit for households on more than £50,000 per year in total. They said that this would raise them £400million. It emerged at the end of last week however that George Osborne has got his sums wrong and there is a real threat that a couple on as little as £16,000 each, less than the average earning, would be hit by the Tory proposals. David Williams said, ?Cutting Child Tax Credit for families on more than £50,000, far from raising £400 million, would only raise £45 million. If the Tories need to raise £400 million they would have to withdraw Child Tax Credit from millions of families on much more modest incomes.

otterinaskoda

'Stopping tax credits to high earners. We will stop paying Child Tax Credits to those earning over £50,000.'

That's from the Tory party website.

It's unclear if that is for a joint income of £50,000, or if an individual can get it up to £50k. I presume the former.

speedy gonzales, if you think its just labour that are at it open your eyes. I used to work with a tory ppc who has a number of fake id's which she regularly uses to punt for business as it were on various forums. This whole site is one massive marketing machine, politicians of activists of all colours manipulate this board for their own purposes.

Actually the artcle (which is not actually a policy document) does make an interesting point about all parties needing to make an effort to understand how we (as ordinary people) communicate, express our views and are engaged now is very different from there old modes of indoctrination. We have more power than ever before and they need to start listening to us in a different way

I'm petrified trh

have tried to talk to them about porposed changes to DLA and all I get is 'we don't know'. the changes willpush a great many disabled people into a no-mans land (they don't qualify for SSD help, so they can't apply- SSd'shave strange blanket rules).

A few straight answers would be nice tbh.

catinthehat...as posted on other thread..

i think its fairly obvious who the "politrolls" are. and i think your average mumsnetter doesnt pay a blind bit of notice. and i also think - well if the very least they are looking at this website and learning how critically important the issues that get raised, ie childcare, NHS are to us MN voters (who are apparently the hot focus group for this election) then just maybe we might get some proper and sensible attention paid to these policy areas rather than the ridiculous sound bites we are having to endure at the moment from ALL sides of the spectrum now.

Totally agree with the OP, please don't vote Tory. There policies really are fucked up, the marriage rubbish especially - widening inequalities is a Tory speciality and they seem all set to go about just that if they get in (please god no). Tories getting in will mean some very real problems for many people (those who do not own land and earn plenty).

At present Labour have just seen the UK through a recession with a far smaller impact than it would have had on us had the Tories and their OTT neo-liberal policies been in power.

"If you think you might one day have kids/be ill/be made redundant/have a relative needing care etc etc etc, forget the tories, they think you are less than nothing if you're not earning the cash."

Think that was Elephantsandmisamas - but other opinions too. I have done all of the above under Labour and got no help with any of it. I voted Labour the last two times but not this time. I find DC's 'broken Britain' catchphrase immensely irritating but would rather change government than let Labout carry on.

I am always alarmed by the 'have always voted Tory/Labour and always will' attitude. Very blinkered on both sides.

Not sure who Labout is.

pepperpig - we can all hope that you are correct in your analitical obsevation thing is I don't trust the buggers - any of them

I will not vote for either labour or tory, but will place my limited trust elsewhere...

Sallyjaygorse - you did not recieve CTC with children? Jobcentreplus help when redundent? The amazingly helpful benefits roll on if you find work again???
I have had children under Labour, been unemployed, got a job, got a place at Uni, and am about to graduate Uni all under Labour. I don't know about relatives needing care or being particularly ill, but I don't know how someone could have a vastly different experience.
The Labour govt offer so much support in what I believe are the right places (they have helped me get out of a rut and go to uni as a single parent). Tories will only ever help less, that is the whole ideology behind the Conservatives - you help yourself and the state stands back.

I received the same forms to fill in 5 times due to the Job Centre losing them. My benefits situation was eventually resolved by the personal intervention of my local MP (Tory). Have no experience of children under the Tories but know my mother despaired under Labour in the 70's. My children are at state primaries now but current government has farted about with schools no more or less than any other. General trend for a school much more to do with head teacher and staff than incumbent gov in my opinion. As for help with care for my mother (cancer and Alzheimer's) - absolutely appalling - to the point of being non-existent over 3 years. Social services in utter shocking disarray. Some decent individuals but none motivated to stay in their jobs long enough to give any continuity to my case. That was the deciding factor - no way will I vote for Labour in this election. My local MP now is Lib Dem - the only one in a very Tory county. I like what he does. But never know what the national policies are with any confidence.

What do you feel about the numbers of old school Labour voters now turning to UKip and BNP? I know a bloke - a miner from a mining/hill farming family - who was Labour but has been UKIP since he felt New Labour had turned its back. Saw him the other day and he now sports a BNP badge. He is a growing minority - I find his views abhorrent for the most part - but bringing back Labour will strengthen the resolve of people like him. Not sure where you live but a trip to Calderdale is scary.

"Call Me Dave wants to cut £200 million from SureStart's budget as well."

That's beyond awful. I don't know where I or any of the other families would be without our brilliant local surestart centre.

Widening inequality is a Tory specialism? Yeah, cos 13 years of a labour government has really closed down the gap between the rich and the poor.

And making university financially punitive for all but the very well off was a blinding move on the part of the labour party.

And the labour party obviously isn't comprised of 'toffs' either.

Oh, and the stealth introduction of the surveillance state is just wonderful.

But bloody hell, they've given us tax credits and banned smoking in pubs...they're fecking fantastic.

What a disgusting sweeping generalisation!!! The 'numbers' of 'Old Labour' voters going to UKIP, or BNP!? I think you will find that UKIP/BNP voters come from a mix of previous political backgrounds but all have a severe aversion/ fear of change involving the nation.

Why did you not just take your form into the office? I imagine that would be the Tory response - you have to look after yourself under the Tories. Oh hang on, no, you probably wouldn't even qualify for benefits under a Tory govt.

My mother despaired under Thatcher. I Don't blame her, it was pretty damned hideous.

The education system in this country is amazing, I do wonder what more people want from it really. And again, if you want more from state education do not vote Tory fgs, with their insane idea about cutting out a load of potentially fab teachers because of the class of their degree. (I actually wonder if full on academic minded types would make worse teachers? There is such a huge social act to teaching, and a lot of more academic minded people are crap at the social side of life, and would not manage a class well).

Why would the Tories motivate social workers? Why would Labour. SWs have a fucking grim job to do and I think they can only possibly do that job if they care enough to want to, and we should be grateful that they do.