What do with think will be in Labour’s budget?

[tenpairsofshoes]

They don’t seem to be giving much away but any indication that they might help kickstart the economy or are we just going to get £2 bus fares, £45 off our elec bill a year and petrol prices on google map? None of Labour polices seem to help anyone that is really struggling but isn’t in receipt of UC! I’m speaking as a single mother who is trying to sell a property to move on with my life but can’t. Yes I know I’ve very fortunate to have bricks and mortar but that doesn’t mean I’m loaded (because the property isn’t worth much)! I feel like everyone is expecting the chancellor pull a rabbit out of a hat but I think we’ll all be very disappointed/pissed off!

Then they need to broaden the grants so people can afford the ridiculously expensive changes they'd need, such as air source heat pumps, solar banks, etc. Not many people have thousands/tens of thousands of pounds to spend.

100%.

I was watching an Ana Boulter monologue yesterday, liberally sprinkled with a lot of ‘Fuck Thats’ at this government.

I could not agree more.

It’s more patronising to assume that £45 is nothing to everyone. It may be to you but not to some people.

Even worse for growing small businesses as they get stung by the VAT threshold and can end up worse off to the tune of thousands by going over the threshold by just a few pounds. It's a massive disincentive to grow the business and means lots stay small to avoid it, i.e. shops/cafes shutting a day or two extra each week, guest houses closing down in quieter months, fish & chip shop and fast food outlets having extended holiday closures - all to keep turnover under £90k. Turnover that is, not profit! Profit on turnover of £89k is often not even minimum wage levels for the owners!

Rising energy costs will soon wipe out £45 per year, even for low users.

Yep. What a load of nonsense. Someone on the bones of their arse, be grateful, don’t kick up against anything. Pfft. Labour would state legislate gratitude if possible.

You previously posted ‘a lot of people’, and now ‘some people’.

Yes - a desperate attempt to keep some of their voter base pacified.

It’s patronising of the government to think that 12p per day will make a difference to someone’s life. It’s also patronising of the government to use misleading language like ‘scrapping’ rather than tell the truth … which is that the unit cost of gas will go up to compensate, meaning those people struggling will simply pay more for the gas they use.

I have a feeling it’ll be sold in more by well off Labour supporters than anything. We’ll see soon how people feel about £45 per year.

It's been estimated the cut-off for the benefit of the standing charge is about 12,500KWHs per year. If you use less than that you save, it you use more than that you pay more. Gas use is mainly down to how much you have the central heating on and how inefficient your house is.

I agree with this. Martin Lewis has been campaigning hard on this for a long time and was just talking about it on the news. It’s not just about the money individual households will save - which will mean alot to some people, and very little to others. It’s a fairness change. The standing charge was unfair: and it disincentivised people from spending less on gas. This change means people who use more will pay more. That’s clearly fairer. I’m struggling to see it as anything other than a positive move, TBH.

Exactly people who invest in efficient homes shouldn't have to subsidize people who don't .

@BIossomtoes

It’s more patronising to assume that £45 is nothing to everyone. It may be to you but not to some people.

By the time the £45 has been saved (one year), the increase in cost of gas used and food inflation will have wiped it out. I think most people will be able to work that out for themselves.

Food inflation alone is over £120 pa increase anyway. So yes most people can see that.

Absolutely. And also people who are really struggling with their bills should be empowered to make what savings they can by using less - rather than knowing they’ll be charged the same regardless.

It might not be earth shattering but it’s a fair and common sense move as far as I’m concerned.

In my head I renamed the Labour party years ago as the 'non-working- party', those who are working are needed to prop up those who can't bothered to work and, yes, I know that there are some people in genuine need, but it's naive in the extreme to think that all benefit claimants are genuine!
The sad reality is that it's easier to go after the middle of the road people who work, pay taxes etc. that to go after the massive coorporations, eg Amazon, (other tax avoiders are available)

These days I'm not sure that Labour is even the most ironically named of the political parties. Labour aren't really into work but then Reform aren't really into reform and the Greens aren't very green.

If so much time is spent debating the economic benefits of 12p/day to ‘some/a lot of people’, AI-led depopulation cannot come soon enough.

Homo sapiens deserve to be wiped out.

Installation of a 4kW solar panel array has an average cost of £7000. Air source heats pumps are similar. Ground source around £15,000 or more is boreholes are needed.

Grants may be available for some of the costs, but overall, I would say the upfront costs are beyond the average earner. Also, not every home is suitable for installation of such systems.

I was thinking of 1984 and people needing to show gratitude.

Many people in Scotland are not on mains gas. They have to use oil the price of which has more than doubled

also many people in the cities live in tenements. They can’t have solar panels or heat pumps.

There investments people make to save money in the future. Gas is only ever going to go up in cost.

This proposal just stops those who have invested / are economical with gas from subsidising those who choose to use a lot of gas. I can't see it changing having much impact but for our holiday home where we only use gas a little bit in the summer we'll save a bit from the reduced standing charge.

The difference is that you can control the amount of gas you use, you have to pay the standing charge even if you don’t use any.

I suppose if someone offered all you privileged people nine fivers you’d all turn them down because that amount isn’t worth having?

Allow me to make a counter-proposal, and I suspect ‘a significant number of posters’ might agree with me.

Healey can keep his 45 quid, and instead return me to my fiscal position before Labour entered government.

Seems fair.