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Zelensky visiting ❤

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MsAmerica · 27/07/2026 22:21

Zelenskyy visits Britain as Prime Minister Andy Burnham signals more support for Kyiv
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/zelenskyy-visits-britain-as-prime-minister-andy-burnham-signals-more-support-for-kyiv

Zelensky visit sends clear message of support for Ukraine, Burnham says
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy8me5vyjg2o

Zelenskyy to visit Britain Monday as Burnham announces Stone Cloak technology transfer to Ukraine – media
en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/1188296.html

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BrandiedAromatics · 28/07/2026 12:06

SadiraOfTyr · 28/07/2026 11:59

It takes what it takes. Like most wars, it eventually comes down to economics. Once Russia can no longer sustain offensive operations then we’ve won.

The alternative is to capitulate, and if we do that it starts all over again in a couple of years once Russia has rebuilt weapons stocks, only closer to the UK and likely involving NATO treaty obligations.

This is worrying behaviour from the US, at the UN:

.. the US joined North Korea and Russia in voting against extending Volker Turk's term as UN High Commissioner for Human Rights.
After the vote on Friday, France's UN mission criticised the US and compared it to North Korea and Russia. "The US used to be a beacon of human rights. Not anymore,"
Turk has criticised Russia's war in Ukraine and Israel's military conduct in Gaza. (BBC)

BIossomtoes · 28/07/2026 12:43

moonraker0 · 28/07/2026 12:05

It’s almost as if we can’t control our own borders and say no to anyone entering the country.

There’s more than one way of doing it. Who cares how it’s achieved?

Uricon2 · 28/07/2026 13:14

KittyCorncrake · 28/07/2026 03:53

He is s grifter and a con man.
He and his family and fiends have benefited hugely financially.

He could be Hannibal Lecter's evil twin but he still hasn't invaded, unprovoked, another sovereign state. Strange most of the people criticising VZ are not as vocal about that yawning moral vacuum, Putin, who cares nothing for the lives of even his own young countrymen and women.

Glad to see Andy Burnham reaffirming support.

LuckyHazelFox · 28/07/2026 13:19

moonraker0 · 28/07/2026 12:05

It’s almost as if we can’t control our own borders and say no to anyone entering the country.

Well quite. Being soft doesn't pay the UK residents' taxes.

TopPocketFind · 28/07/2026 13:52

moonraker0 · 28/07/2026 12:05

It’s almost as if we can’t control our own borders and say no to anyone entering the country.

Net immigration and boat crossings are down but some people won't believe the data

Low net immigration could cost the UK

BrandiedAromatics · 28/07/2026 14:02

TopPocketFind · 28/07/2026 13:52

Net immigration and boat crossings are down but some people won't believe the data

Low net immigration could cost the UK

In Starmer's last week there were no crossings/immigrants.

Since Burnham there have been nearly 900 immigrants.

(I am being tongue-in-cheek here, I suspect this is to do with the wind)

TopPocketFind · 28/07/2026 14:36

Boat crossings are down in Europe, the UK deal with France is in operation.

Brexit means the UK can't check if the asylum seekers were rejected elsewhere, so they will keep trying to come to the UK (other reasons apply too ofcourse)

You only hear about it in the media when people arrive.

EmmaOfNormandy · 28/07/2026 18:25

LuckyHazelFox · 28/07/2026 06:56

Sort out our own country first. While I'm at it, the foreign aid budget needs a major revisit.

It's very simple.

We can pay our foreign aid in sterling, or use Roubles in Britain.

I know which I prefer.

GeneralPeter · 28/07/2026 18:35

moonraker0 · 28/07/2026 10:39

Didn’t take him long to come here to ensure his money keeps flowing. This country is a shambles yet we keep helping everyone else. How much is going to be enough because we seem to have an open chequebook when it comes to Ukraine.

It’s a great deal. For one-tenth of our defence budget and no regular UK troops Ukraine de-fangs our main military threat and speedruns our learning on drone and electronic warfare. We send them mostly older munitions, and it’s part financed by seized Russian assets.

Obviously, a weakened Russia is also a danger to us.

How you count that depends on whether you think Russian aggression was inevitable anyway. Looking at how active Russia had been with assassinations on UK soil and spying on assets, I tend to think that it was.

Uricon2 · 28/07/2026 18:40

If Ukraine lose and Putin (who I think is damaged in Russia but not enough for them to do anything about it, even if they could) goes into a NATO country, bouyed by success, it would be a disaster. We could be looking at a World War.

Ukraine are fighting a proxy war on behalf of the West (as well as of course for themselves) and need all and any support we can give them.

God, I miss the old Soviet warhorses.

Summerhillsquare · 28/07/2026 18:57

LuckyHazelFox · 28/07/2026 09:43

No we need to reduce it - drastically

Prevention is always cheaper (and less painful) than the cure.

dwordle · 29/07/2026 06:27

It's amazing how the Ukraine has turned the tide on Putin. A million Russian men have lost their lives fighting a war that did not need fighting. Made an enemy from a neighbour, destroyed the Russian economy.

Putin has lost I just wondering how long before he accepts it and concedes.

MsAmerica · 29/07/2026 22:38

TemporarilyCantDoMyself · 28/07/2026 03:17

Zelenskyy is truly amazing. I honestly feel he is shaping up to be the most mature and impressive statesman on the planet. Heir to Mandela.
Putin is the worst of the worst.
Anything we can do to support Ukraine is good. I'm glad Andy Burnham seems to understand this clearly.

Totally agree. I think he is the single bravest and most admirable person around since the death of Alexei Navalny.

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MsAmerica · 29/07/2026 22:40

LuckyHazelFox · 28/07/2026 06:56

Sort out our own country first. While I'm at it, the foreign aid budget needs a major revisit.

If Ukraine is defeated, it will have awful long-term repercussions across Europe.

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MsAmerica · 29/07/2026 22:41

IonianNerveGrip · 28/07/2026 09:58

Agree. And whether anyone likes it or not, arming Ukraine against Russian expansion is part of our defence too.

Exactly!

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MsAmerica · 29/07/2026 22:42

moonraker0 · 28/07/2026 10:39

Didn’t take him long to come here to ensure his money keeps flowing. This country is a shambles yet we keep helping everyone else. How much is going to be enough because we seem to have an open chequebook when it comes to Ukraine.

Everyone should have an open chequebook. The U.K. should remember back to an unchecked Hitler.

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MsAmerica · 29/07/2026 22:44

BrandiedAromatics · 28/07/2026 11:20

What is fascinating is that a number of Russian men avoided conscription by moving abroad, places like Turkey. I was talking to a friend and she said their neighbour, in Russia, said they were coming for everyone and so my friend's son was currently in Egypt. I haven't heard an update on these eligible for military service Russian men? What we know is they have recruited ethnic minorities, prisoners and deceived men from India, etc.

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What I read is that Putin was cautiously avoiding conscripting Moscow residents. He'd rather import foreigner as cannon fodder instead.

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MsAmerica · 29/07/2026 22:46

moonraker0 · 28/07/2026 11:53

They’ve had over $135 billion just from America and the UK and yet this war is still ongoing. How much is it going to take to end it and I don’t think it’s wrong to question where the money is going because we are talking billions upon billions.

Unfortunately, the billions dribble out. If the U.S. had given Ukraine a ton of money upfront, that would have been better. And, more unfortunately, when the Israel-Palestinian disaster hit, my first thought was that it would take American money away from Ukraine.

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Imdunfer · 30/07/2026 07:42

TopPocketFind · 28/07/2026 13:52

Net immigration and boat crossings are down but some people won't believe the data

Low net immigration could cost the UK

You've missed the data from the last 3 days.

TopPocketFind · 30/07/2026 10:08

Imdunfer · 30/07/2026 07:42

You've missed the data from the last 3 days.

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Data that contradicts that net migration and small boat crossings are down?

dwordle · 30/07/2026 12:17

It's down way down, lowest in 5 years according to the latest data. Looks like Starmers plan is actually working....

TopPocketFind · 30/07/2026 12:26

I think Imdunfer is referring to small boat crossings as a few boats arrived over the last few days. 3 people died today.

The numbers are still down 45% compared to last year.

Imdunfer · 30/07/2026 13:03

TopPocketFind · 30/07/2026 10:08

Data that contradicts that net migration and small boat crossings are down?

No, data that shows record crossings from completely new departure points on different size boats in the last 3 days.

Indicating that the smugglers are circumventing the controls and "smash the gangs“ is failing.

Newbutoldfather · 30/07/2026 16:41

The UK tries to take a free leadership position in Europe without any interest in backing it up with money or soldiers (money in this instance).

The reason we are a focus of Russia and Iran is due to us trying to be a World leader when we can’t even defend ourselves.

And Zelensky isn’t necessarily the hero people want him to be. There is a lot of internal dissent and they urgently need an election regardless of the war.